Newbie 1444 ~ Game Ovah ~ Mafia Win

[talah]

Fine Thor, I'm stating intent to hammer Sakura.

If I need to vote-swap - you're it.

I think those two seemingly dissonant concepts gel.

[Thor665]

Why are you so whiny?

Do you think I didn't have a point about what you said earlier? Why the lash out?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh crap, and I forgot the deadline was so close, and I'm still LA until tonight.

I'm VT.
My reads are now:

Scum: Thor (Usually he likes intents to happen with at least 48 hours before deadline, he hasn't done as much to make that happen here), Gale (Her reasoning against me is BS).
Null-Scum: burn, Micc (Opportunistic scum).
Null-Town: zipperflesh (Don't see much contribution, but what few contribution i see it could be town), burn (lately he looks more town to me, looks genuinely confused by what's going on).
Town: 1baldeagle1 (At least someone seems to be making some sense in this game), talah (He getting desperate about incoming deadline sounds genuine), Kytoxid (Yeah my weakness is people buddying me, but his buddying sounds genuine in intent to find scummy people on my wagon)

If there are any questions or stuff I missed during my V/LA please summarize them and i'll get to them within a few hours.

Unvote

I'm willing to hammer myself if necessary so you guys get a flip, but for now.

Vote: Gale

[Sakura Hana]

I forgot i still had burn there, obviously that was unintentional >_>

[talah]

Why are you so whiny?

Do you think I didn't have a point about what you said earlier? Why the lash out?

Huh?
Do you grok my concept of vote-swapping?
It's where I have a vote and I say "can I swap votes with someone I trust because I won't be around to do what I'd otherwise do?"

So let's say I was not voting and held the hammer and you were voting burn on equal burn/Sakura wagons.

You'd unvote and I'd vote burn. And then you'd hold the hammer.

(Whiny? No I don't think you did have a point given the circumstances. Nevertheless I was ceding to your request that only one party claim. Which Sakura now has - and if you think burn's scum, I don't see how you care either way if burn does too.)

Back tomorrow.

(also hi Sakura, welcome back :D)

[Malakittens]

Vote Count 1.12

With 9 alive it's 5 votes to lynch

Voting for:

*Kytoxid -
*Gale - burn_209, Sakura Hana [2]
*Micc -
*Zipperflesh -
*burn_209 - Thor665, 1baldeagle1, Kytoxid [3] [L-2]
*1baldeagle1 -
*talah -
*Sakura Hana - Micc, Gale, Zipperflesh [3] [L-2]
*Thor665 -

Not voting: Talah [1]

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-11-05 16:00:00)

[1baldeagle1]

Sakura, this is the first time you have ever townread me! :O

So, Sakura, are you saying that Thor-scum likes claims 48 hours before deadline?

Also, the fact that Sakura is willing to hammer herself to avoid a no-lynch is pretty town to me.

[1baldeagle1]

talah, are you willing to hammer burn today?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wow, and im not even at L-1, dem intents to hammer :<

[Thor665]

Also, the fact that Sakura is willing to hammer herself to avoid a no-lynch is pretty town to me.

I actually found that the scummiest thing in that post, and thought her at least trying to get out some reads felt townish, but the hammer thing felt like fake bluster.
Why do you think a promise like that is pretty town? It would be exceedingly easy to fake, and the only way it even comes into play is when it's at a stage she'll be lynched anyway so there's literally nothing a scum risks in saying it...why is it townish?

[Thor665]

Let me put it this way for clarity - I think that town wouldn't bother to announce that intent. They would decide at that moment to do it.
I think announcing it prior to needing to do it means it was done for town cred, and is thus null at best, and scummy at worst, and certainly not a pro-town tell...how am I wrong?

[1baldeagle1]

Also, the fact that Sakura is willing to hammer herself to avoid a no-lynch is pretty town to me.

I actually found that the scummiest thing in that post, and thought her at least trying to get out some reads felt townish, but the hammer thing felt like fake bluster.
Why do you think a promise like that is pretty town? It would be exceedingly easy to fake, and the only way it even comes into play is when it's at a stage she'll be lynched anyway so there's literally nothing a scum risks in saying it...why is it townish?

Wouldn't scum try to force a nl so town loses an extra ml?

[Thor665]

Probably.

Again, though, how is that pro town to say? I'll agree that many people would argue it as pro-town to do (I am not amongst them, but that is another issue).
But it is of no help at all to say. It is, in fact, meaningless to say. So why should saying it be taken as pro-town?

You might as well take 'hey, guys, I'm not scum, serious!' as pro-town. Because it's meaningless to say and is easy for scum to say - therefore it is not a good tell of actual pro-town action or thought.
Can you clarify where you're coming from if I'm missing something here?

[Kytoxid]

I'm wary of the fact that the two players most at risk of being lynched (burn, Sakura) are currently voting Gale with less than a day remaining, and they are the lone voters on that wagon. Something's fishy there; gut feel says at least one of them is scum.

My scum read on burn is still stronger than Sakura, so I'm keeping my vote there. I'm not sure if I'll be around again near the deadline, but please lynch someone, if I'm not around.

[talah]

talah, are you willing to hammer burn today?

Yes. I could have been tempted to compromise on Gale as well if I didn't think your argument was so terrible, and besides, I had serious doubts about your predecessor, if not you.. quite so much.

But anyway I'm waiting for burn to appear and promptly vote Sakura to L-1 like he would if he was playing town. I don't like that neither burn nor Sakura appear willing to vote the other. But then again I've done intentional disassociations before so that if I was lynched, a townie would be the obvious choice the following day.

My preference is Sakura today. I'll be back within about 6 hours to either vote-swap for the hammer or put Sakura back at L-1 myself.

[talah]

VOTE: Sakura

L-1

[1baldeagle1]

[1baldeagle1]

Probably.

Again, though, how is that pro town to say? I'll agree that many people would argue it as pro-town to do (I am not amongst them, but that is another issue).
But it is of no help at all to say. It is, in fact, meaningless to say. So why should saying it be taken as pro-town?

You might as well take 'hey, guys, I'm not scum, serious!' as pro-town. Because it's meaningless to say and is easy for scum to say - therefore it is not a good tell of actual pro-town action or thought.
Can you clarify where you're coming from if I'm missing something here?

N
Because, scum would think it's worth the sacrifice in order to take away a town ml. If someone says "hey I'm not scum" then that's null because both town and scum says this.

[1baldeagle1]

Not sure how the N got there. I blame phone posts.

[Thor665]

Because, scum would think it's worth the sacrifice in order to take away a town ml. If someone says "hey I'm not scum" then that's null because both town and scum says this.

I feel like you're so close to sanity, but aren't noticing the obvious.

[Thor665]

Okay, so we have a little under five hours.
Talah has specifically chosen to lynch Sakura over Burn.
Burn and Sakura are sitting on a useless wagon together.
Fascinating on multiple fronts.

[Sakura Hana]

So I know Scum-Thor knows that town doesnt know what they are doing, and is willingly sitting there doing nothing on the Burn wagon while it's obvious my wagon is the one more likely to be the lynch, despite all the time him saying that I'm scum and what not. I was eagerly awaiting for him to come to see if he would hammer, yet he didn't he decided to stay on Burn.

Maybe im wrong about Burn and Thor is busing, oh well, that's a problem for you guys to figure out on the forthcoming days.

Unvote.
Vote: Thor

Here's a last ditch attempt to lynch actual scum, if i'm not hammered within 2 hours i'll do it myself (oh yeah look how scummy that sounds to you Thor)

I expect you guys to be looking very seriously at Thor from now on, you can find a couple of his scum games on my Wiki, my first game in the site, and one of my scum games.

[Thor665]

So I know Scum-Thor knows that town doesnt know what they are doing, and is willingly sitting there doing nothing on the Burn wagon while it's obvious my wagon is the one more likely to be the lynch, despite all the time him saying that I'm scum and what not. I was eagerly awaiting for him to come to see if he would hammer, yet he didn't he decided to stay on Burn.

Maybe im wrong about Burn and Thor is busing, oh well, that's a problem for you guys to figure out on the forthcoming days.

None of this really makes sense.

Also, you're referencing people to my scum games - maybe you should tell them what to look for in those games that I'm doing here. It would help them catch me, after all.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok nvm, I remembered wrong, you were on the mislynches along with your partner on both games on D1, It still doesn't make sense that you're staying off my wagon while soft-pushing me, unless you want to meta-dodge since im here.

[Thor665]