In post 214, Cabd wrote:I already sorted her. Sheep me.
In post 220, Espeonage wrote:Is sarcasm and sass part of her scum game or town game and not the other?
In post 224, fferyllt wrote:Reading through ISOs, I got a strong impression that she's just kinda floating through the early game, not really making any effort to develop reads or sort anyone.
Why do you think katsuki is scum, he's one of the only people I feel good about being town right now.In post 226, T S O wrote:
I think you're Town, I think Katsuki is scum, I think Chamber's Town and I think people like Dr. Cirno need to post for me to get a read on them.
Give me a break, I'm still formulating my opinions on the game.
In post 237, fferyllt wrote:She's impressive as town. The one scum game of hers where I played with her, she did a good job of incorporating some of her signature town-play, though on reread I spotted a few things I'll keep in mind. Cabd linked to that game in an earlier post.In post 234, Pjovek wrote:Yes that is the case, though I'd expect scum to hide it better.In post 224, fferyllt wrote:Reading through ISOs, I got a strong impression that she's just kinda floating through the early game, not really making any effort to develop reads or sort anyone.
Not really too conclusive it honestly depends on how bad she is at this game/scum.
Taking the above out of consideration, would you still read him as town based on the rest of his play?In post 257, Tammy wrote:Giving a cautios early town read to tso due to his paranoia of me. I'd probably just read him as solid town for it but several recent games have had scum refusing to read me due to "paranoia" so.
Then maybe it's the games we've played, because I haven't really noticed that you are so heavily into observation mode in the early game.In post 254, Tammy wrote:In post 224, fferyllt wrote:Reading through ISOs, I got a strong impression that she's just kinda floating through the early game, not really making any effort to develop reads or sort anyone.
That's why your voting me? It's probably sillier than why I thought your original reason was for.
As far as feeling like I'm floating, that's probably a town tell for me so thanks for pointing it out. No, seriously at my other site me *not* feeling like I'm floating early day one has often been a cause for concern. I much much prefer to observe early game than push something, and this player list allows me to do just that.
You may have reads (I know I do) but you don't appear to be putting any work into refining them. It's just whatever gets laid down in the thread. And your play is somewhat enigmatic.And the other part is a flat out lie. I have a couple pretty decent town reads, ham watching how you/cabd play out, am looking to interact with empire, which is quite frankly the most important thing to me early game. If I can figure out if we're on the same team and the same wavelength, this game will go much more smoothly.
What you did in that game was kind of off, though not in immediately obvious ways. This feels off, too, at least based on the experiential meta I have to go on.I'm trying to figure out if this push is real or if you saw espeonage asking about me/saw cabd responding and with his vote on you thought this would be a good distraction especially considering you haven't even tried to interact with me, and if you *do* remember our last game where I was scum I made sure to make it look like I was "scumhunting" immediately.
Voting early? Seen her do that before.In post 258, Cabd wrote:I don't need to dance with her when she goes and does the one thing that claims scum in my eyes, tammy.
I don't think it's the early vote.In post 263, Tammy wrote:Voting early? Seen her do that before.In post 258, Cabd wrote:I don't need to dance with her when she goes and does the one thing that claims scum in my eyes, tammy.
It's interesting, because I get the same "click" sometimes when GiF votes me, because I knew the vote would happen before I hit "submit", and decided to post it anyway.In post 264, fferyllt wrote:I don't think it's the early vote.In post 263, Tammy wrote:Voting early? Seen her do that before.In post 258, Cabd wrote:I don't need to dance with her when she goes and does the one thing that claims scum in my eyes, tammy.
I'd probably read him as solidly null. His question to me why I thought that Pjovek was capable of trolling was odd considering that I had already talked to ffery about it and how he trolled in mafia.raptured. But, his paranoia regarding not only me but fferylit and amending his position on pjo read somewhat townish.In post 260, Katsuki wrote:Taking the above out of consideration, would you still read him as town based on the rest of his play?In post 257, Tammy wrote:Giving a cautios early town read to tso due to his paranoia of me. I'd probably just read him as solid town for it but several recent games have had scum refusing to read me due to "paranoia" so.
Don't ever meta me off so few games. My play is completely inconsistent and based on several factors, not merely including my mood. And actually this accusation doesn't make any sense. In mafia.raptured, scum accused me of not scumhunting early in the game, and I only got really engaged when syryana started trolling me and we danced, and I totally dipped out of that game pretty strongly and only really scum read someone for interrupting syryana and I's dance. In Chef mafia, the only real substantial early argument I had was with Amrun when she started calling me scum for trying too hard because I joked about a town block; it wasn't until mid day one before I actually started getting and pushing a read. In hard boiled, the only thing day one I argued about was when scum claimed that Mala was scum because she was being too protown. And in the one scum game you have experience with me on, I immediately came out and attacked someone so I'd look like I was scumhunting.In post 261, fferyllt wrote:Then maybe it's the games we've played, because I haven't really noticed that you are so heavily into observation mode in the early game.In post 254, Tammy wrote:In post 224, fferyllt wrote:Reading through ISOs, I got a strong impression that she's just kinda floating through the early game, not really making any effort to develop reads or sort anyone.
That's why your voting me? It's probably sillier than why I thought your original reason was for.
As far as feeling like I'm floating, that's probably a town tell for me so thanks for pointing it out. No, seriously at my other site me *not* feeling like I'm floating early day one has often been a cause for concern. I much much prefer to observe early game than push something, and this player list allows me to do just that.
So, I mean, so? It's early day one, a day I hate and traditionally struggle with. When we get to day two or three and I'm not "putting in the work" then talk to me. Until then, your arguments are silly as hell. Barely anyone has made an impression. I'm not going to give reads I don't have. I'm not going to clutter the thread just so you or anyone else can feel better that I *look* like I'm scumhunting. What I give in the thread is what I feel. And if you don't see that the absolute one tiny little, actually really big thing for me, is that I want to sort empire, then I really don't know what to tell you. My play is not enigmatic, it's town, thanks.ffery wrote:You may have reads (I know I do) but you don't appear to be putting any work into refining them. It's just whatever gets laid down in the thread. And your play is somewhat enigmatic.And the other part is a flat out lie. I have a couple pretty decent town reads, ham watching how you/cabd play out, am looking to interact with empire, which is quite frankly the most important thing to me early game. If I can figure out if we're on the same team and the same wavelength, this game will go much more smoothly.
You need more experience with me to actually meta me. Kindly read a few of my scum games, and then come in here and tell me how I'm awesomely town, thanks.ffery wrote:What you did in that game was kind of off, though not in immediately obvious ways. This feels off, too, at least based on the experiential meta I have to go on.I'm trying to figure out if this push is real or if you saw espeonage asking about me/saw cabd responding and with his vote on you thought this would be a good distraction especially considering you haven't even tried to interact with me, and if you *do* remember our last game where I was scum I made sure to make it look like I was "scumhunting" immediately.
Super sweet. Are you trying to retroactively tell me I was wrong. Because before *this* post you weren't interacting with me, so I'm sorry but you don't get to act all superior bullshit this is interaction *after* I said there was none.ffery wrote: Also, this *is* interaction with you.
The only reason we're talking right now is because I voted you. You don't get to tell me what is interaction and what isn't.In post 269, Tammy wrote:Don't ever meta me off so few games. My play is completely inconsistent and based on several factors, not merely including my mood. And actually this accusation doesn't make any sense. In mafia.raptured, scum accused me of not scumhunting early in the game, and I only got really engaged when syryana started trolling me and we danced, and I totally dipped out of that game pretty strongly and only really scum read someone for interrupting syryana and I's dance. In Chef mafia, the only real substantial early argument I had was with Amrun when she started calling me scum for trying too hard because I joked about a town block; it wasn't until mid day one before I actually started getting and pushing a read. In hard boiled, the only thing day one I argued about was when scum claimed that Mala was scum because she was being too protown. And in the one scum game you have experience with me on, I immediately came out and attacked someone so I'd look like I was scumhunting.In post 261, fferyllt wrote:Then maybe it's the games we've played, because I haven't really noticed that you are so heavily into observation mode in the early game.In post 254, Tammy wrote:In post 224, fferyllt wrote:Reading through ISOs, I got a strong impression that she's just kinda floating through the early game, not really making any effort to develop reads or sort anyone.
That's why your voting me? It's probably sillier than why I thought your original reason was for.
As far as feeling like I'm floating, that's probably a town tell for me so thanks for pointing it out. No, seriously at my other site me *not* feeling like I'm floating early day one has often been a cause for concern. I much much prefer to observe early game than push something, and this player list allows me to do just that.
So, what is your argument again?
So, I mean, so? It's early day one, a day I hate and traditionally struggle with. When we get to day two or three and I'm not "putting in the work" then talk to me. Until then, your arguments are silly as hell. Barely anyone has made an impression. I'm not going to give reads I don't have. I'm not going to clutter the thread just so you or anyone else can feel better that I *look* like I'm scumhunting. What I give in the thread is what I feel. And if you don't see that the absolute one tiny little, actually really big thing for me, is that I want to sort empire, then I really don't know what to tell you. My play is not enigmatic, it's town, thanks.ffery wrote:You may have reads (I know I do) but you don't appear to be putting any work into refining them. It's just whatever gets laid down in the thread. And your play is somewhat enigmatic.And the other part is a flat out lie. I have a couple pretty decent town reads, ham watching how you/cabd play out, am looking to interact with empire, which is quite frankly the most important thing to me early game. If I can figure out if we're on the same team and the same wavelength, this game will go much more smoothly.
You need more experience with me to actually meta me. Kindly read a few of my scum games, and then come in here and tell me how I'm awesomely town, thanks.ffery wrote:What you did in that game was kind of off, though not in immediately obvious ways. This feels off, too, at least based on the experiential meta I have to go on.I'm trying to figure out if this push is real or if you saw espeonage asking about me/saw cabd responding and with his vote on you thought this would be a good distraction especially considering you haven't even tried to interact with me, and if you *do* remember our last game where I was scum I made sure to make it look like I was "scumhunting" immediately.
Super sweet. Are you trying to retroactively tell me I was wrong. Because before *this* post you weren't interacting with me, so I'm sorry but you don't get to act all superior bullshit this is interaction *after* I said there was none.ffery wrote: Also, this *is* interaction with you.
You're happy that he didn't actually answer your question because you said it was indicative of a mindset and you wanted to know if it was indicative of a town or scum mindset and if I did one and not the other. Cabd didn't actually answer that question; all he did was link to you my most recent scum game. Why did you not care that he didn't actually answer your original question? Why did it seem genuine that his response was only to link a scum game of mine?In post 262, Espeonage wrote:To be honest, I was happy with what I got from Cabd. He felt honest and genuine and actually trying to help. As for you Tammy, I'm feeling more and more that I want to lynch you.
You've been either coasting on sass or, as you're doing now, deflecting. And I don't like it. I'm happy with Tammy being pushed for a bit.
Yes, I do.In post 270, fferyllt wrote: The only reason we're talking right now is because I voted you. You don't get to tell me what is interaction and what isn't.
I'm getting all sorts of data. Hopefully plenty more on the way.In post 272, Tammy wrote:Yes, I do.In post 270, fferyllt wrote: The only reason we're talking right now is because I voted you. You don't get to tell me what is interaction and what isn't.
And if you call voting me interacting with me, your entire argument about me not trying to sort anyone is not only hypocritical but it's stupid too.
Can't wait for more flawed data!In post 273, fferyllt wrote:I'm getting all sorts of data. Hopefully plenty more on the way.In post 272, Tammy wrote:Yes, I do.In post 270, fferyllt wrote: The only reason we're talking right now is because I voted you. You don't get to tell me what is interaction and what isn't.
And if you call voting me interacting with me, your entire argument about me not trying to sort anyone is not only hypocritical but it's stupid too.