[M] Micro 237: Greatest Idea Mafia - (Hunger ENDGames)

[Sakura Hana]

I know it's hard to bus Guyett, but sometimes you gotta do it.

[Guyett]

you'll be pleasantly surprised when you see my flip sak

[Sakura Hana]

yeah, Skrew is prob. town, but at this point i dont give a dam anymore and is quite obvious no one wanted to lynch you.

[Guyett]

both of our wincon gets fucked if you lynch me.
Skrew is a scum read but at this stage I just want to move the game forward... get out of that awkward limbo we were in

[Maestro]

Votecount 3.FINAL - Thursday, November 8th @ 12:45 AM EDT

SleepyKrew -

4

^[L-0]

Bulbazak, Natirasha, Sakura Hana, Guyett

With

[6]

alive it took

[4]

to Lynch or No Lynch.

Not Voting:

Mitillos, SleepyKrew

Deadline for Night 3 Action is in ... (expired on 2013-11-09 01:45:00)

SleepyKrew was Lynched Day 3. He was a

Town 1-Shot Dayvig

.

[Maestro]

Guyett has died Night 3. He was a

Town Doctor

.

Votecount 4.01 - Sunday, November 10th @ 12:11 PM EDT

Mitillos -

0

^[L-3]

Sakura Hana -

0

^[L-3]

Natirasha -

0

^[L-3]

Bulbazak -

0

^[L-3]

With

[4]

alive it takes

[3]

to Lynch or No Lynch.

Not Voting:

Mitillos, Sakura Hana, Natirasha, Bulbazak

Deadline is in ... (expired on 2013-11-24 13:11:00)

[Mitillos]

So, Nat and Bulba, whom did you investigate and what was the result?

[Sakura Hana]

Well at least that clears things out regarding Guyett's alignment.

[Bulbazak]

I'm getting deja vu from the last Greatest game... I investigated Guyett last night.

[Natirasha]

Guyett, not alien, yawn.

[Bulbazak]

Vote Mitillos

Did a brief ISO dive on both him and Nati. I'm pretty confident he's scum who used Psychomagnet to rolefish.

[Natirasha]

Curious.

[Bulbazak]

Curious.

As to what?

[Natirasha]

Why the person I intended to vote voted the way they did. I expected you to attack the low hanging fruit(me). Maybe you aren't scum...

Lemme go reread you and Mitillos.

[Bulbazak]

Nati, my reread of you left me with the conclusion that there was no way you'd do what you did if you were scum. I then looked back at Mitillos's explanation of his ability use, and I found that it didn't really click with me. I then looked back over his ISO and saw that he was mainly lying low the entire game. It seemed pretty obvious after that.

Why did you think you were low hanging fruit?

[Natirasha]

I've been under intense scrutiny from, well, everyone, all game.

[Bulbazak]

I kinda felt the same way, especially after my investigation target was killed yet again.

[Natirasha]

You think miti might have been trying to pin us against each other for an easy win perhaps?

[Bulbazak]

Maybe. The hang back at the beginning of the day was interesting.

[Mitillos]

The hang back from what? The nothing that had already happened in the 6 minutes since the day started? You guys claimed investigative roles. I wanted to know what you found. Boring as it turned out to be.
Also, how did I use my role to rolefish? By hoping that Nat would ask who the Psychomagnet is, or by insisting that we don't role-claim on D2, because it would be too premature and help scum too much?

[Bulbazak]

Also, how did I use my role to rolefish?

You focused all the night actions on one slot. That would be a great way to find out if there was a protective or blocking role in the mix.

[Mitillos]

So, you're saying that I am scum and looked for a protective role, by wasting my kill? And then, when it was obvious that a protective role really existed, I insisted we don't have a roleclaim, because I didn't want scum to kill him? How does that even make sense? Why wouldn't I just shut up and let it happen? I had already made my claim, I'd have had nothing to lose. And then, when he was eventually forced to claim, why would I not kill Guyett at night? Why would I bother killing Disturbed, instead? And then defend Guyett on D3, when he was accused of being scum for still being alive?

[Bulbazak]

So, you're saying that I am scum and looked for a protective role, by wasting my kill?

But it wouldn't be a waste then, would it? If there was no protection, then your target, Nati, would die. If there was, then you would know that a protective role existed, thus allowing you to coordinate your targets better. It's a calculated maneuver, and one best left for the first night.

And then, when it was obvious that a protective role really existed, I insisted we don't have a roleclaim, because I didn't want scum to kill him? How does that even make sense?

Why would you force a claim as scum? You would know that might not help you in the long run. Scum have to play the long game. Pushing for a mass claim after that move would have been suicidal.

Why wouldn't I just shut up and let it happen? I had already made my claim, I'd have had nothing to lose.

Towncred.

And then, when he was eventually forced to claim, why would I not kill Guyett at night? Why would I bother killing Disturbed, instead?

Disturbed was seen as obv. town, and he was a strong player. Not to mention that there was plenty of suspicion on Guyett. Plus, you knew where his protection was likely to be. Why wouldn't you kill Disturbed in that scenario?

And then defend Guyett on D3, when he was accused of being scum for still being alive?

Towncred.

[Mitillos]

1) Except that the best time to get a kill in, without knowledge, is early on, when a doctor would be unlikely to pick the right person to protect. Particularly with an IC, since that would be the likely protection target. And with potential multiball, it would mean I made sure that all the town kills were eliminated, or at least reduced to one. That would not be in my favour, if I were scum. As a calculated maneuver, it's a pretty terrible calculation.

2) I wouldn't need to force a claim. I'd just need to let the inevitable massclaim happen. But I was against it, until it was in the town's favour to do a massclaim.

3) So, I am scum who did protown things for towncred? How exactly do you distinguish between that and a townie doing protown things? This is a ridiculous accusation. Were you also against the massclaim for towncred, then?

4) As scum, I wouldn't kill Disturbed, because he wasn't attacking me. He was essentially a non-entity. I'd have gone for Guyett, because he was the doctor and was the only person who would have had any effect on my kills. And then I'd also be certain that Guyett would die, because he'd be unable to protect himself. Also, see part 5.

5) The last bit is the worst of them all. You are saying that I am scum and didn't kill Guyett because there was suspicion on him, but then I defended him for towncred. Where exactly in that is anything that makes any sense whatever? At which point in this elaborate scenario do I stop working against my own plans? You're basically saying that I'm really dumb scum who is intent on crippling his own chances at victory, by doing fairly idiotic things that work against each other.

[Bulbazak]

1) Except that the best time to get a kill in, without knowledge, is early on, when a doctor would be unlikely to pick the right person to protect. Particularly with an IC, since that would be the likely protection target. And with potential multiball, it would mean I made sure that all the town kills were eliminated, or at least reduced to one. That would not be in my favour, if I were scum. As a calculated maneuver, it's a pretty terrible calculation.

You find out for sure if there is a protective role or not. That's valuable information for later nights. So, yes, n1 is the best night to use that ability as scum.

But I was against it, until it was in the town's favour to do a massclaim.

See, this is my point. You're yelling "But I was against massclaim! Therefore, I must be town!". You want that action to essentially make you seen as town, or, as it is called, towncred.

3) So, I am scum who did protown things for towncred?

Yes. Scum can do pro-town things as well. Again, it's all about the long game.

How exactly do you distinguish between that and a townie doing protown things?

You look at the motivation for doing so.

Were you also against the massclaim for towncred, then?

Yes, but I dislike massclaims in general. It's not alignment indicative, and I'm not going to use it to persuade people to call me town.

4) As scum, I wouldn't kill Disturbed, because he wasn't attacking me.

That's not the only reason to kill people as scum. In fact, I'd say that's the dumbest reason to NK someone.

I'd have gone for Guyett, because he was the doctor and was the only person who would have had any effect on my kills. And then I'd also be certain that Guyett would die, because he'd be unable to protect himself.

Except that Guyett was highly suspected, meaning that there was a chance that town would do your dirty work for you. You also knew where his protect was likely to be, which meant you could avoid it. Finally, Disturbed was widely seen as town, meaning that you couldn't get him lynched. All in all, Disturbed would have been the better kill.

You are saying that I am scum and didn't kill Guyett because there was suspicion on him, but then I defended him for towncred. Where exactly in that is anything that makes any sense whatever?

A common method to try to gain towncred is to defend town, hoping that when they're killed that town will remember your townread on that person and call you town as well. It's actually a very common method to gain towncred and sometimes falls under another name: white knighting.

You're basically saying that I'm really dumb scum who is intent on crippling his own chances at victory, by doing fairly idiotic things that work against each other.

No, I'm saying that you used common scum strategy to get ahead in the game, electing to view the game in the long term, rather than the short term. If it worked, you'd be able to coast to victory on the towncred you built.