In post 1000, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Bulbazak, can you post an updated reads list and explain your scumreads as of this point?
Town
LastSurvivor
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
EspeciallyTheLies
The Purple Rose
T-Bone
Null
TheIrishPope
Scum
Pitoli - I don't buy her explanation for the GF tell. I would be surprised if there isn't a GF in this.
Sangres - I explained before. They handled me at points like I was town. They also didn't react to my warnings to get off my wagon. I really think they should be investigated.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 783, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I also hate that I am feeling obligated to do this with you just cuz of that game when you could very well be scum too.
am getting slight townvibes from Bulbazak. EspeciallyTheLies's 37: Why ask a question that has already been answered? LastSurvivor posted his reasons why he found me and Pitoli scummy as did Bulbazak for Pitoli. There won't be "exceptional" reasons on page 2. You also tell Bulbazak in 39 that wagons are good. Why did you not wagon/vote anyone if you thought it would be helpful?
lso, I don't see TIP voting the IC as a towntell. I see it as null. Why wouldn't scum vote for the IC if the reaction to his vote is to call it a towntell? Clearly he wanted people to comment or wagon him which is what I did. It could be pro-town if TIP actually developed reads based on the comments, questioned people on his wagon, and analyzed it for people's motivations. So far, he hasn't done anything of that sort. I am still null.
EspeciallyTheLies, I don't like that your response has been to simply say that you weren't following the game deeply. You already seem to have reads (TIP as town) and analysis. What did you mean when you said "TIP was clearly looking for stupid scum." What would stupid scum do in this situation? Based on his behavior, I am also not sold that TIP is looking for anything whatsoever.
onsidering ETL's frustration, I am leaning more towards her being town. I need to double-check other games to see if she fakes it as scum. She was frustrated in Newbie 1347 as well in the initial stages of the game but it seemed very different the way she handled it. I'll try and check more recent games though.
Sangres, thoughts so far? What do you make of TIP's vote on the IC, and Bulbazak's, Pitoli's and ETL's reactions to it?
kay, now my townread is stronger. I didn't have a "strong" townread on you, just something that looked townish at first glance and made me think "possibly town." Since it was early on in the game, I laid it out so that others can comment on it and discuss. Now, I much more sure that you are town based on immediately attacking me after I backed off. I feel that scum would be happy to mutually back out of an argument. I looked at your wiki to see what I could find. I didn't realize how old the game was. I'll try and find some newer ones.
ost 59: I am not buddying, I am saying that I have a townread on you. Would you rather I OMGUS a townread? My initial townread was not a "reaction test" and I never said it was. I had a weak townread and I explained why. I didn't attempt to "make you look scummy", I found you scummy. Then I read you as weak town, then I read you as strong town. I didn't intend any of these reads to make me look scummy or part of some grand plan of reaction testing. They are the natural progression of my reads.
Your current attack on me reads as if you genuinely believe you caught scum so now you are in my "never-lynch" pile. That leaves 6 other players and I think there are 2 scum in there.
Pedit: I explained my reasoning for thinking ETL as town. If you think I am suspicion for not OMGUSing, you underestimate my ability to develop accurate reads. Besides, scum can OMGUS too. It is null. Bad town and bad scum OMGUS everyone that suspects them.
Bulbazak, what do you think about a Sangres/TIP scumteam? I think it actually makes more sense than Pitoli/TIP. If Pitoli was Sangres's partner, I figured ffery would make more of an effort to get the wagon off of Pitoli and onto you. The lack of engagement makes me believe they didn't have a vested interest in the lynch.
Also, TIP voted you for no reason - this was odd but I didn't think of it at that time.
Plus, Nacho plays down TIP's abilities but reads him as town for weak-ish reasons.
In post 1000, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Bulbazak, can you post an updated reads list and explain your scumreads as of this point?
Town
LastSurvivor
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
EspeciallyTheLies
The Purple Rose
T-Bone
Null
TheIrishPope
Scum
Pitoli - I don't buy her explanation for the GF tell. I would be surprised if there isn't a GF in this.
Sangres - I explained before. They handled me at points like I was town. They also didn't react to my warnings to get off my wagon. I really think they should be investigated.
Nope I didn't take your late warnigs seriously, because pitoli beat you to it. I thought you were posturing.
I think the posts you are talking about handling you as town were Nacho. I know from experience that he'll do that to scum players. He did it to me in xenoblade all the while with his vote either on me or pledged there. He thinks that a less stressed out scum player who has hope of shaking their lynch makes different sorts of slips from scum who are sure they're getting lynched. And he thinks that a town player is more likely to do something unequivocally town when they're being treated like they *might* be town.
I do the latter myself sometimes. I talk to someone I'm scumreading as though I can see them as possibly town to see what sorts of echos I get back.
In post 1014, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Also, after the flip, I feel that Sangres would have put more effort into derailing Pit wagon than passively staying off of it.
that we spent most of today being a distraction to town. It's my play that led us into this blind alley, we probably could have worked alongside each other better. You still think I'm scum but this will sound sincere at postgame
In post 1015, sangres wrote:
Nope I didn't take your late warnigs seriously, because pitoli beat you to it.
What do you mean by this? I've been trying to warn people off since about the 12 hour mark.
And I thought pitoli might be dropping PR tells starting well before that. With an IC and a cop I wasn't sure if another PR made sense though. I've been feeling very cautious this game.
