Open 536: Faith Plus One Game Over! Mafia Win!

[shos]

nnnnnnope. this time I can't see him scummy

[XScorpion]

Shos, you're learning. I'm so proud of you. GG should be ashamed.

[Blueberry]

@everyone

I don't really see good things coming out of a hydra slot that doesn't want to reveal themselves (re: Taylor). No way of reading the players or taking their town/scum games into consideration. Best to just lynch early imo.

The way I get it is that they decided not to disclose their identities before the game which, while could be useful if they were scum, is really not indicative of their alignment because they did not know their role at the time of making that decision. The fact that you suggest a quicklynch because them not disclosing their identities and preventing other players from metaing them is obviously scummy seems opportunistic and scummy to me.

Vote: Pecanpie

No way of reading the players

Never heard of traditional reading where you analyze a player's post/ask questions etc?

[bubbajack8]

Everyone begins the debate. It becomes heated, names are thrown around, accusations fly. People question how many Hydras there, are, who are they etc. Someone yells, "Let's cut their heads off!" Yet others respond, "they'll only come back bigger and better." In the words of Shakespeare, "Our doubts are traitors and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt." All must find within themselves the drive to succeed and drive scum out, whomever they may be.

Vote Count 0.3
Grimgroove (1) : Scarlet Yoshi XScorpion (4) : pieceofpecanpie, helium-3, Taylor, GrimGroove Taylor (2) : Paschendale, willwang123 pieceofpecanpie (4) : XScorpion, phokdapolees, shos, Blueberry Paschendale (1) : Obscurity Not Voting (1) : T S O
With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-27 17:18:00)

[Taylor]

@mod: Would it be possible to have the number of votes each person has included in the VC?

Absolutely

[shos]

MOD:
Can you please bold the names at the start of each line, it makes it a little easier to read, please. also, can you make another enter between the last line? I means omething like this:

Vote Count 0.3
Grimgroove : Scarlet Yoshi, XScorpio n: Taylor, pieceofpecanpie, helium-3, GrimGroove Taylo r: Paschendale, willwang123 pieceofpecanpie : XScorpion, phokdapolees, shos, Blueberry Paschendale : Obscurity
With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-27 17:18:00)

You got it.

[shos]

btw I started writing this before you XP

eh, anyone has anything to say about the setup maybe?

[Taylor]

Not impossible, but I usually don't worry about what people think when I'm town. It's interesting that you feel the need to project that onto me though.

circular logic

Hi yoshihydra

So, scorp asked if it was impossible for people to be paranoid about "what town thinks" of them. I said the above in response because he assumed I was worried about it. I am saying that I think scum are more worried about what town thinks of them and am pointing out that it's telling he projected his own worry onto me. The only reason you would think it was circular is if you think (know?) Scorp is town.


Circular logic is a because b because c because a. Please explain how the above is circular?

Also, do you think scorp is town? Why or why not?

[pieceofpecanpie]

@Mod

Small thing, but could the VC be consistent with who voted whom first? In the case of XScorp it would be myself, helium, taylor, grimgroove. I just prefer that for VC analysis.

Working on it now, I thought I had already been doing that, but guess not. Good catch!

[pieceofpecanpie]

@Blueberry

Welcome to the party, or should I say welcome to two pages ago...

I'm neither voting nor pushing Taylor currently. I have heard of asking questions, thanks, you can start by giving me your opinion on Taylor? What, if anything, makes them town?

[XScorpion]

eh, anyone has anything to say about the setup maybe?

I considered but decided that discussion of the setup is not helpful at this stage of the game and it is more productive to use this time scum hunting and not speculating.

[Paschendale]

@everyone

I don't really see good things coming out of a hydra slot that doesn't want to reveal themselves (re: Taylor). No way of reading the players or taking their town/scum games into consideration. Best to just lynch early imo.

The way I get it is that they decided not to disclose their identities before the game which, while could be useful if they were scum, is really not indicative of their alignment because they did not know their role at the time of making that decision. The fact that you suggest a quicklynch because them not disclosing their identities and preventing other players from metaing them is obviously scummy seems opportunistic and scummy to me.

No way of reading the players

Never heard of traditional reading where you analyze a player's post/ask questions etc?

This looks awfully full of obvious misrep to me. Pecan is not calling for a quicklynch. He's calling for what might be a policy lynch, but "early" pretty obviously means early in the game, as in days, as in don't wait for day 4, rather than a quicklynch without much discussion. And Pecan is right, lack of meta information does make it more difficult to get a read on them and thus denies town information. I don't think it's a lot of information that we're missing, but the charge of opportunism comes completely out of left field. There's no convenient or low risk vote at this point. We're on page 5, and it was page 3 at the time. The fourth vote on a wagon that is currently under discussion is hardly opportunism.

Lastly, the "no way of reading" bit is clearly taken way out of context. Pecan is saying that there's no way to know who they are. Not unless someone is very familiar with various players' posting styles and can pick out who is who just from that. It would certainly be more difficult than with a hydra that signs each half's posts.

None of this should be construed as defense of Pecan (though votes on him are really bad at the moment), but I have to ask what's with all the misreps and bad assumptions? Why not make a case based on what Pecan actually said rather than obvious misreps? What do you have to hide?

[XScorpion]

Well this Day just got easy.

VOTE: Taylor

The wording of this post seems to contradict your first paragraph, Paschendale.

[Taylor]

Nobody said anything about a quicklynch. Ever. Pecan is literally calling for a policy lynch because he doesnt like that we are anonymous. Not because he thinks we are scum.

[XScorpion]

Nobody said anything about a quicklynch. Ever. Pecan is literally calling for a policy lynch because he doesnt like that we are anonymous. Not because he thinks we are scum.

Does that make it better?

[Taylor]

Does what make what better?

If he thought I was scum, yes. His vote would be better.

[XScorpion]

Let me rephrase:
Is it better that he's calling for a PL of you than a quicklynch?

[Taylor]

I think you're missing the point.

I was correcting pasch, who seems to believe people find pecan scummy because he suggested that we be lynched quickly, and assumes that everyone voting pecan had the same misunderstanding - that "quickly" implied "quicklynch".

I don't believe that's the case at all, considering that no one said "quicklynch" or even insinuated it. For someone who accused others of "misreps", I find it hypocritical that he did the same thing.

[XScorpion]

Blueberry used the word quicklynch but otherwise yes I agree completely.

[Taylor]

The fact that you suggest a

quicklynch

because them not disclosing their identities and preventing other players from metaing them is obviously scummy seems opportunistic and scummy to me.

You're right; I missed that.

So blueberry was the only one with that impression.

[Taylor]

Disregard what I said then, as pasch's response looks to be solely directed at blueberry.

[XScorpion]

None of this should be construed as defense of Pecan

(though votes on him are really bad at the moment)

, but I have to ask what's with all the misreps and bad assumptions? Why not make a case based on what Pecan actually said rather than obvious misreps? What do you have to Hide?

Not solely.

[Taylor]

That's fine. I'm just saying it wasn't a misrep, since he was correcting blueberry regarding "quicklynch".

[XScorpion]

With respect to Blueberry sure.
But I am not voting pecan because he proposed a quicklynch. I am voting pecan because he voted for a policy lynch that, being 'easy', meant he wouldn't have to pretend to scumhunt.

[Taylor]

I could see Taylor as scum based on the reaction. It's way overblown. Same problems voting Pecan. Taylor's posts just look empty and fluffy to me. Not the thoughts of someone who is trying to figure out what's going on. Vote on Taylor stays and is now serious. Looks like I poked the hornet's nest with my sharp stick.
PEedit: Yeah... Taylor voting for XS looks even worse. Pretty sold that one of them is scum. I think it's Taylor more than XS.

Disturbing a hornet's nest is a good way to be stung, Pasch.

You're wasting time on us if you think us to be scum. Your suspicions are best cast elsewhere. If you think one of us is scum, you can lynch XScorpion first. If you want to progress from there, you can help us try to read pecan or a similar player. But our posts are anything but empty and fluffy. We have more content-filled posts than nearly any other player at this point in time.

You are correct that the reaction of my partner was overblown. But you have my word that it is null, coming from someone who was eager to play and who is expecting to learn. That is the only defense I can offer about it. We are town, Dale. Continuing to push us is about the worst possible thing you can do if you're also town. (Which we think you are.)