Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

how much are you talking to ffery about this game, cabd? or when was the last time you discussed reads?

and what's your read on BRO?

[morph the cat]

I'm sorta behind ever since i told mastin to go die in a fire. She just woke up, so i'll crash and put her on the line. You guys like her better anyways.

[zMuffinMan]

i'm about to sleep anyway and i was more interested in your answer, not hers.

[morph the cat]

I'ts 5:30 am. I'm probably going back to sleep.

Cabd tells me we're going to argue about TNE.

[morph the cat]

tne did a similar wall/case like the one on bro on peacebringer in chef's mafia, here

havent looked any deeper than that though, too much effort at the moment.

I didn't ever want to look at that game again.

I guess I have to :/

[BROseidon]

I don't think your use of self-meta was scummy. the thing that pinged me was how you put a lot of emphasis on "unprompted", like you were conscious of your own action when you made it.

People are generally conscious of their own actions when they make them...

I've explained multiple times why I self-meta'd there. I normally won't do that.

Hey mastin2, you said you expected to scum read me, implying that you would scum read me irrespective of my alignment. Yet in looking back through mutual games of ours, counting at least those where you were solo and where you were hydra'd (not sure about my hydras) we had scum-town, town-scum, and town-town examples. I couldn't find a town-town game where you mentioned in-thread having a scum read on me. I found ones where you'd eliminated me from the 'people you want to lynch' group and/or town read me, but I don't think town-you has ever scum read town-me.

You have clearly called me out as scum correctly as in WWE, and you've deliberately helped mislynched me when you were scum. I'm not saying you read me so perfectly that you couldn't be wrong, but I'm not finding evidence for your start-of-game stance here.

What am I missing?

--PA

That he's scum.

Also, I find it quite concerning how neither Ghostlin nor Nacho are around, so close to deadline, despite them being MY centers of attention. (For that matter, BRO's presence seems lessened as of late.)

"Everyone else should play mafia relative to my interest in them."

...

I could be misremembering where the townreads and scumreads were trending at that point, but his list did not look like some sort of "average" take. I don't have time to research this in detail right now, but will try to get back to it before the day ends. I don't see myself voting TNE today unless someone I'd trust enough to follow them off a cliff presents an absolutely killer case.

You're misremembering.

Once Cabd is awake and around, I want us both to go through thezmon, GP and BRO. I think our lynch choices are going to lie in that group. NachoGiF' lack of presence bothers me a lot but right or wrong, I value them both so much as players if they are town that I'm willing to see what today/tonight brings and then focus on them tomorrow.

And you don't value me?

Like uh.... he felt sorta like he got some towncred and then got the fuck out of dodge to let the shootouts happen and come loot the survivors?

Yes

[Mac]

you don't even think you're possibly doing it again?

this is a really, really weak question.

sure, it's

possible

i'm doing it again, but if i thought that was the case,

i wouldn't be voting him

.

but why is that specifically something that worries you about me? why does me being wrong about BRO in a previous game mean anything here?

meh, maybe it's just a difference in playstyles. id probably be paranoid as fuck but i suppose that is just me. two new questions:

what is your read on tne? and would you be willing to switch to the tne wagon? because im really sure of my bro townread

[Mac]

bro is that seriously all youve fucking got THIS close to deadline?

[Mac]

i mean for the love of FUCK. im sticking my neck out here because i thought you were town and THAT is what you come up with?

[Mac]

GIFFYCHO GET THE FUCK IN HERE AND DO SOMETHING NOTABLE

[pieguyn]

vote: TNE

have to go to class now real post coming later

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.54

[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn)
[3] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Morph the Cat)
[1] Ghostly Penguin (mastin2)
[1] Mac (waynegg)
[1] mastin2 (Psychlone)

[2] Not Voting (thezmon221, Varsoon)

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-16 01:30:00)

thezmon221 has about ~4 hours to post before he is replaced.

[morph the cat]

And you don't value me?

Do you actually feel like this is a reasonable question?

I have your content so far to evaluate.

The problem with nachogif is lack of content, but they both have reasons they can't post much atm and it's a site-wide thing. GiF just replaced out of a ton of games a couple days ago, and Nacho's laptop was stolen.

[mastin2]

Gonna read things in a bit, but I did a little thinking on things overnight.

Frankly, I don't think BRO is anything other than scum. I really, really don't. Everyone else, I can see as being town, but dammit, I don't care how TunnelVisiony this sounds, I can't see him as being town. Now that said...who else is there?

I thought about GP. I'm not sure on it. But I do think Ghostlin's town. I also think TNE's town. I'm mainly looking at {thezmon221, Psychlone, Mac} as containing the other two scum, 'cause I really, REALLY think that Varsoon's town (his claim is not as implausible as you may think it to be), pie's basically conftown, I still think that wayne's town, moroph's also town, and while my townread on zMuff continues to waver, he's still overall town to me. TNE's just not feeling like scum to me. Which leaves those four, for three scum slots, and one of them looking like BROseidon.

I know. This doesn't feel right. A lot of Mac's posting looks like town. (Even though a lot more looks like scum.) There's not particularly a lot wrong about thezmon's posting, either, also looking minorly town. (Even though it being scum is not impossible.) Hell, even Psychlone's not too terribly off. Of my townreads, GP's the weakest. But I can't shake this being their town selves right now.

Basically, reworded... (strongest to weakest)
{Pie, Varsoon, morph, wayne} are megatown.
{zMuff, TNE} are both quite town.
GP's sorta-town.
{BRO, thez, Psychlone, Mac} (Psychlone and Mac are interchangeable) all have things which could make them town, but are basically less town than the remainder.

I wish I could flip the switch, right here and now. It sounds like I've got things narrowed down via POE, right? The problem is in my utter lack of confidence in these. Because while I believe them, while this is basically the only thing that I can see...I just don't think it feels right. Like one of my major townreads has to be wrong. Despite how none of them feel wrong. Pie, Varsoon, and morph all in particular feel town, and hell, I'm basically at the point where off of my gut I'd be calling TNE more town than zMuff. All of those are strong. I don't think I'm going to waver on any of them. But that still leaves too much. I don't think nor want wayne to be scum, but no matter how much I try, I can't push myself to see him as that 95% town. No matter how much I try, I keep on thinking that I might have been wrong about zMuffin, despite everything logically saying he's town. And that's ridiculously bad so close to deadline, but it's all I've got.

[mastin2]

Whoops. Forgot something.
VOTE: BROseidon.

[mastin2]

In particular,

can someone direct me to a case on bro? or summarise points? because my gut strongly feels like this is a mislynch.

theres a startling lack of activity considering the deadline looms. mastin and pie with late switches hasnt overly helped :/ plus i think ghostlin's townish for now. would much rather vote tne who has disappeared off the face of the earth.

Things like this make me think Mac's scum with BRO, but I can't bring myself to think that it's true, despite these ties making it plausible.

[Mac]

can you explain the progression on your read on me

[mastin2]

[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn)

I mean...this just...doesn't look like a town-driven wagon at all.

The towniest name there is pie. :/

[mastin2]

can you explain the progression on your read on me

Nope.

I could iso myself and BS a reason, but my read on you is what my read on you is.

[mastin2]

[5] MafiaSSK (zMuffinMan, BROseidon, Psychlone, thezmon221, Morph the Cat)

I also come back to this, and the SSK interactions. I really think that SSK has to have one scum on it. But I'm actually kinda concerned that most of my secondary and tertiary scumreads are on here as well. It doesn't feel like a scum-driven wagon. Yet the only name on here I consider to be town for sure is Morph. :/

It feels like something more scum would be off than on. And the people off the wagon with weird SSK relationships are Mac and GP.
But then again, I seem to recall thez's reaction (despite being on the wagon) was weird. Maybe BRO's as well. It's something I'll need to look back on in a bit.

[Mac]

well at least im able to prove you wrong in your accusations...

or not.

[mastin2]

Wasn't my wagon only Mac, Pieguy, Wayne, and Morph?

And then there's this. Again, pie and morph are pretty damn town. The variables here are wayne (who I oh SO still want to believe is town, not only off of claim but also play) and Mac. I'm pretty damn certain Varsoon's town, so I'm wondering if this was an all-town wagon. If not, then it could only be Mac.

Yet this is all VC-related stuff. It's not really play-based.

[borkjerfkin]

ArcAngel9 replaces thezmon221!

Deadline is now (+1 day) in (expired on 2013-11-17 01:30:00)

[ArcAngel9]

Hey Children...
Day1, 60 plus pages for a mini game? You guys are insane... let me skim through...
if there is anything major updates, keep me posted

[morph the cat]

tne did a similar wall/case like the one on bro on peacebringer in chef's mafia, here

havent looked any deeper than that though, too much effort at the moment.

What is similar about them in your opinion?