Mini 1514: ETL's Royal Council (END GAME)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Spoiler: Roles and Role PMs

Roles:

Klazam, Vanilla Townie
Hermy, Vanilla Townie
Guyett, Vanilla Townie
Nominull, Vanilla Townie
Yessiree, Vanilla Townie
emogirl123, Vanilla Townie
Slandaar, Town Odd-Night Vigilante *
Matias (replaced Wake88), Town Even-Night Vigilante *
Green Crayons, Town Cop *
Jingle, Cowardly Gunsmith (Hider + Gunsmith)

Paschendale, Mafia Roleblocker *
Dessew, Mafia Tracker *
Abhorsen, Mafia Godfather *

* = gun owner

Role PMs

Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities beyond the right to vote.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Town Odd-Night Vigilante

.

During odd-numbered nights, you may choose a target to shoot.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Town Even-Night Vigilante

.

During even-numbered nights, you may choose a target to shoot.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Town Cop

.

At night, you may choose a player to investigate.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Town Cowardly Gunsmith

.

At night, you may choose to hide behind another player. While hiding, you cannot be targeted and you will learn if the player you hide behind owns a gun. However, if that person is killed, so are you.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

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Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Mafia Tracker

with XXX, a Mafia Roleblocker, and XXX, a Mafia Godfather.

At night, you may speak with your partners in this QT.

Each night, you, or one of your partners, may target one living player to kill. You may also choose a player to track at night.

You win when the Mafia comprises 50% or more of the remaining players, or when this condition becomes inevitable.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Mafia Godfather

with XXX, a Mafia Tracker, and XXX, a Mafia Roleblocker.

At night, you may speak with your partners in this QT.

Each night, you, or one of your partners, may target one living player to kill. If you are investigated, you will be found innocent.

You win when the Mafia comprises 50% or more of the remaining players, or when this condition becomes inevitable.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

Welcome to MINI ####, XXX!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

with XXX, a Mafia Tracker, and XXX, a Mafia Godfather.

At night, you may speak with your partners in this QT.

Each night, you, or one of your partners, may target one living player to kill. You may also target a player to roleblock once per night.

You win when the Mafia comprises 50% or more of the remaining players, or when this condition becomes inevitable.

The game thread is here. Please confirm in the game thread.

[yessiree]

set-up wise, I think one of the towns can be replaced by a third party?

[Green Crayons]

Fun game. Hooray, I actually investigated a guilty person.

[Jingle]

I enjoyed the shit out of this game and would be happy to play with any of you again. My role was insane, and if I ever would have had to claim I would have died immediately. Slandaar's guilty threw me. I was convinced that he was a JOAT with {cop, doc, vig} for all of D3.

The claims this game kinda ruined scums chances. Particularly, Dessew played really well and I'm a little sad that he got the random investigation end of the stick there. We were incredibly lucky that none of the investigative roles hit each other's targets.

I'd switch Ab to Maf doc and GC to JK, but that's just me.

Slandaar's guilty won us the game, I think, but I've got no idea where it came from. It was really ballsy and would have screwed us if he was wrong, but it paid off.

Also worth mentioning: I died. Sadness.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

lol oh yeah.

YOU DID DIE.

Totally gonna add that later.

[Jingle]

I was waiting so impatiently for D4 too.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Awwww

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I wanna know what GC was thinking while he was waiting for the thread to open after receiving his results lol

[Paschendale]

With that many PRs, you definitely run the risk of the game being decided by night actions. Looks like that's what happened here.

[Green Crayons]

I wanna know what GC was thinking while he was waiting for the thread to open after receiving his results lol

"Ah shit I can't scumhunt." I checked Dessew because Matias was convinced, and I was a little gunshy as to whether Jingle was a scum PGO.

[Slandaar]

I didn't actually claim a guilty I said I had what amounts to a guilty which was true I think; Why would scum roleblock me if Pasch were town and EG scum/town? they just wouldn't. The rest is more obvious (docs were not protecting him; very unlikely to be TOWN bp based on scum nk not going through), I broke down the setup and concluded Pasch couldn't be town due to surviving the night. Obviously Roleblocker is a slightly debateable situation (I feel my logic is good but I could see some argument against) and that was the one that happened but I always knew I could call it off if I needed and when Pasch claimed I knew he was scum (he was never doc protecting me)

I actually had it written up for a good while before posting it I was going through the possibilities to make sure I was right in my assumptions when I saw Jingles guilty on me it rushed me into a decision which was probably a good thing the day could have gone completely differently otherwise probably ending in mine or Emos lynch.

Was the setup balanced? I don't really know. Closer than I thought it was in game.

[Klazam]

Disappointed that i never had a chance in D2..

I reread the game after that lynch, and i saw why i was wrong on nomin. If there was any time for me to post- i'd have pressured abhorsen. Ah well, all that ends well, ends well

[EspeciallyTheLies]

With that many PRs, you definitely run the risk of the game being decided by night actions. Looks like that's what happened here.

Absolutely. It was definitely an experiment in role madness for me. I'm always afraid that balanced games are mild and people don't have fun as VTs, but I'm learning that is hardly the case. I'm one of few, I think, that truly enjoy being scum.

[emogirl123]

this is over? i got lazy with reads the moment all the PRs came to the party

[EspeciallyTheLies]

lol emo... do you prefer being a PR yourself or being scum? As opposed to VT?

[emogirl123]

I thought PRs were a distraction. Being VT is a classic way and a more fun way to play.

[Klazam]

Vt gives me the more pure mafia experience imo.

[emogirl123]

The whole incident with guyett, dessew, and klazam trying to repeatedly lynch me was slightly annoying. Of the three, I thought klazam was sure to be scum, him flipping town made me question my reads in the beginning of the game. I tried to hint at being the doc a few times in the thread, but scum didn't pick up on it and killed slandaar instead.

[Klazam]

The whole incident with guyett, dessew, and klazam trying to repeatedly lynch me was slightly annoying. Of the three, I thought klazam was sure to be scum, him flipping town made me question my reads in the beginning of the game. I tried to hint at being the doc a few times in the thread, but scum didn't pick up on it and killed slandaar instead.

I was not trying to lynch you because of your scummniness- you were all over the place and just wrong, and it was infuriating me.

Your hammer also really pissed me off.

[emogirl123]

It was posturing. I try to maintain a balance between being on the verge of getting lynched / easy lynch target for scum while maintaining strong reasons for why I shouldn't be lynched. I do this regardless of my alignment. This is so that as a PR, scum would think I am an easy lynch and wouldn't go for the kill. As scum, it would explain why I haven't been night killed. As town, it's to catch scum and keep up with the rest of my meta.

[Nominull]

I didn't actually claim a guilty I said I had what amounts to a guilty which was true I think; Why would scum roleblock me if Pasch were town and EG scum/town? they just wouldn't. The rest is more obvious (docs were not protecting him; very unlikely to be TOWN bp based on scum nk not going through), I broke down the setup and concluded Pasch couldn't be town due to surviving the night. Obviously Roleblocker is a slightly debateable situation (I feel my logic is good but I could see some argument against) and that was the one that happened but I always knew I could call it off if I needed and when Pasch claimed I knew he was scum (he was never doc protecting me)

I actually had it written up for a good while before posting it I was going through the possibilities to make sure I was right in my assumptions when I saw Jingles guilty on me it rushed me into a decision which was probably a good thing the day could have gone completely differently otherwise probably ending in mine or Emos lynch.

Was the setup balanced? I don't really know. Closer than I thought it was in game.

Yeah that was the decisive step, more of a gambit than Wake88's early claim. I think it could have fallen apart if Pasch had been less otherwise scummy or hadn't blinked when asked to claim his role.

[Nominull]

And obv. if you had been

wrong

we would have been screwed. Try not to be wrong, that's my advice.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

It was posturing. I try to maintain a balance between being on the verge of getting lynched / easy lynch target for scum while maintaining strong reasons for why I shouldn't be lynched. I do this regardless of my alignment. This is so that as a PR, scum would think I am an easy lynch and wouldn't go for the kill. As scum, it would explain why I haven't been night killed. As town, it's to catch scum and keep up with the rest of my meta.

This is actually a great strategy in theory, and one I use myself (though as town I always seem to end up being universally town read and NK'd no matter what I do). In practice, I think you could use a little more finesse, particularly with your interaction with others. Overall, you survived to end game, which, even in this town-powered setup, is impressive in any game.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I was really surprised with Pasch's lynch to be honest. I thought he'd been playing rather strongly up to then. The turning point, really was Slandaar's guilty. Slandaar was more trusted by town overall and that won out.

[Klazam]

keep up with the rest of my meta.

UGH

I hate outside influences.