Red Wine Mafia: Game Over

[fferyllt]

For fucks sake that took you long enough.

UNVOTE:

This would be a lot more town to me if you had been more proactive about sorting me. And hadn't been asked by Tammy before unvoting.

[Katsuki]

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The bit I bolded in your post that I quoted.

It's not like I voted mindgamer because I thought he was town.

[Cephrir]

I actually don't think the post Tammy brought up is especially telling, but it did cause me to reconsider your improvement over the last few pages.

[Cabd]

For fucks sake that took you long enough.

UNVOTE:

This would be a lot more town to me if you had been more proactive about sorting me. And hadn't been asked by Tammy before unvoting.

I wanted to see the righteousness that comes with town-you that's going to be lynched. It took you forever; you spent half your time telling me how much I'd regret voting for you, which spun the town-o-meter a billion miles the other direction.

[fferyllt]

For fucks sake that took you long enough.

UNVOTE:

This would be a lot more town to me if you had been more proactive about sorting me. And hadn't been asked by Tammy before unvoting.

I wanted to see the righteousness that comes with town-you that's going to be lynched. It took you forever; you spent half your time telling me how much I'd regret voting for you, which spun the town-o-meter a billion miles the other direction.

This doesn't address my concerns at all.

[Cabd]

I don't care about your concerns.

[fferyllt]

The post was made three days ago. You pop up after Tammy references it and after Ceph unvotes.

[Tammy]

Tammy, Empire,

What are your thoughts about ABP?

I think he and pjovek are both competing for who's making my headache worse. I have no idea how to read people who play like that if I've never seen them play. (Well, I have seen pjovek play and I'm near ready to just string him up right now, but that could be my headache talking.)

I was hoping you'd played with him before.

His assertion that I"m town is somewhat boggling given our game experience together. Especially when some people who actually have experience with my game are misreading me this time. I've ISO'd a few of his games of both alignments, and I'm finding it difficult to pull out stuff that looks both alignment-relevant and comparable to this game.

What is your experience together?

[fferyllt]

Tammy, Empire,

What are your thoughts about ABP?

I think he and pjovek are both competing for who's making my headache worse. I have no idea how to read people who play like that if I've never seen them play. (Well, I have seen pjovek play and I'm near ready to just string him up right now, but that could be my headache talking.)

I was hoping you'd played with him before.

His assertion that I"m town is somewhat boggling given our game experience together. Especially when some people who actually have experience with my game are misreading me this time. I've ISO'd a few of his games of both alignments, and I'm finding it difficult to pull out stuff that looks both alignment-relevant and comparable to this game.

What is your experience together?

No completed games.

[Tammy]

Espeonage's posts are all terrible so my vote is in a good place

BB! Do we finally get to be town together again?!?

Yes. 80% sure.

You're only 80% sure you're town >_>

[Katsuki]

Espeonage's posts are all terrible so my vote is in a good place

BB! Do we finally get to be town together again?!?

Yes. 80% sure.

You're only 80% sure you're town >_>

Molla is a very uncertain child.

[mykonian]

votecount

espeonage (5): empire, tammy, projectmatt, bbmolla, Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage (4): katsuki, Llamarble, pjovek, cephrir
fferyllt (2): espeonage, crashtextdummie
pjovek (1): chamber
katsuki (1): TSO

Not voting (2): fferyllt, cabd

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is on the 27th

[BBmolla]

Espeonage's posts are all terrible so my vote is in a good place

BB! Do we finally get to be town together again?!?

Yes. 80% sure.

You're only 80% sure you're town >_>

80% sure you're town silly billy

[Tammy]

I actually don't think the post Tammy brought up is especially telling, but it did cause me to reconsider your improvement over the last few pages.

I've found it takes a special type of player confident in their scum game to claim to be confirmed town or say they think they're nearing confirmed town status (and that their reads will be golden if that happens). Now I think ffery's scum game is better than she thinks it is, but it's not something I imagine her saying as scum.

[fferyllt]

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The bit I bolded in your post that I quoted.

It's not like I voted mindgamer because I thought he was town.

You think BMolla is town but you're drawing potential associations with the slot based on it flipping scum.

[Espeonage]

Cause I definitely recall something different.

Go back and read the first few posts in my iso. And the town meta you are thinking of. I can link you to scum games where I've done that too. Actually, tbh, I usually lurk more in scum games, I get scared to post because I don't want to incriminate myself.

[Espeonage]

@BB, what makes you think Tammy is town? I haven't been at all happy with her play here.
@Tammy, I took it under advisement and didn't use it as an intensive scumhunting tool.

We've been over this.

@Cabd, turnaround comes from?

[BBmolla]

She told me she was town, I don't see any reason not to believe her

[Katsuki]

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The bit I bolded in your post that I quoted.

It's not like I voted mindgamer because I thought he was town.

You think BMolla is town but you're drawing potential associations with the slot based on it flipping scum.

That was my line of thinking however many days ago that was (maybe 3-5?, forget and too lazy to check when). It was a weaker read though. I do find TSO by far more scummy than that slot was at any time though.

[Tammy]

@Tammy, I took it under advisement and didn't use it as an intensive scumhunting tool.

We've been over this.

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But you asked for it. And then later asked other people not to use what meta they have with other people. But my point is you asked for it. (And then were just satisfied with a half answer but whatever)

[Tammy]

Okay we have a week before deadline. I need to reread the game to feel more situated, that won't happen before Thursday/Friday though.

[Espeonage]

I was taking it under advisement. I was never going to base a read on it. As I said in my post, it's fine to use it to back up a case, but as a core reason, that's not so acceptable.

[Espeonage]

If you actually look at what my stance was at that time I was already calling you scum and was wondering if it was part of one alignment or the other to either back up the read or negate it. It did neither so whoop-de-doo.

And you're right, you do need to have another look at the thread.

[Tammy]

Who has meta on Tammy they can give me? Is she always like this or is it indicative of an alignment, because it comes across as sassy, which usually would point to a mindset, but I have no idea how to work out what that mindset might be.

@CabD, If your vote was elsewhere, which wagon would you most support and why?

Is sarcasm and sass part of her scum game or town game and not the other?

No, you weren't. You said it was indicative of a mindset and you didn't know what mindset. You wanted meta to determine whether or not I was sarcastic as which alignment, and then became satisfied with a half answer from someone who really doesn't know my meta.

So, yeah your "I don't like meta" thing is hogwash.

[Espeonage]

I wanted to know if I might be incorrect about it possibly being a good scumtell for you, and if so how strong. I got an inconclusive answer and so stayed with seeing it as scummy as I had. Which is exactly what I just said I did. Thanks for quoting me to prove my point.

I explicitly said that I am fine with it being use in conjunction with other stuff. But that using it as a sole reason is terrible.

So yes, I don't like meta reads.

I'm honestly questioning if you are doing this for your own enjoyment.