I'm sorry Tammy but WHO CARESIn post 648, Tammy wrote:In post 218, Espeonage wrote:Who has meta on Tammy they can give me? Is she always like this or is it indicative of an alignment, because it comes across as sassy, which usually would point to a mindset, but I have no idea how to work out what that mindset might be.
@CabD, If your vote was elsewhere, which wagon would you most support and why?No, you weren't. You said it was indicative of a mindset and you didn't know what mindset. You wanted meta to determine whether or not I was sarcastic as which alignment, and then became satisfied with a half answer from someone who really doesn't know my meta.In post 220, Espeonage wrote:Is sarcasm and sass part of her scum game or town game and not the other?
So, yeah your "I don't like meta" thing is hogwash.
All that this post means is Espy saw some people making heavy use of meta and became annoyed by it.In post 513, Espeonage wrote:Can we leave meta reads out of the game until we actually have a decent amount of posts to take something from. Each game is different and town meta is emulatable. They are not reliable as a case or a defense. You can use it to back something you find scummy up, but don't use it as a base.
"I didn't have sex with her last night."In post 595, Cephrir wrote:Alright, well you're gonna need to quote for me where he's twisting this but I'll assume it did happen; the fact remains that your play wouldIn post 588, T S O wrote:Want to see another reason Katsuki is scum? He twists facts to suit his shit.
The one game I played with Katsuki, his playwas exactly the same as here.Lurked like fuck and let town get each other hung. He is not a subtle scumplayer.
My play was different because Saki antagonised me to the point of force-replacement. Katsuki doesn't mention this, because it suits his agenda to change facts to suit his agenda.
thus have been different in the two games. Omission is not lying.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29888In post 595, Cephrir wrote:@bold: Let's be clear that this is pretty much the only thing you've said about meta- you're telling me he lurks as scum. I'll believe this when you give me links. There is nothing terribly 'unsubtle' about lurking, and I believe I've seen him lurk as town.
Except where she said my play was different and didn't explain the circumstances, which is blatantly twisting.In post 595, Cephrir wrote:In post 589, T S O wrote:I'd ask anyone townreading Katsuki to stop telling me his previous slot was Town and click his ISO. As soon as I called him scum, he got paranoid as fuck, because he thought his slot was in the clear. He's done everything in his power to discredit me, such as
-Vaguely linking me with scum suspects
-Hyperinteraction about me
-Telling me if I keep pressing him I'll get a bullet. I don't think this is a Vig softclaim, so what? Is he claiming scum?
-Twisting of meta.
How much more do you need to put this fucker's coffin 6 feet under?I said "Stop replying to my case with the justification that TSB looked town."In post 595, Cephrir wrote:I'm not going to stop telling you The Silver Bard was town. You don't get to sweep things under the rug like that.
You said "I will not stop telling you that!"
Come. on.
It's pretty bare. That's an understatement. There is fucking nothing there, except Beetlejuice and scumminess.In post 595, Cephrir wrote:I'm looking at his iso right now. The first thing that sticks out to me is that it's pretty bare, yes. I also notice his response in 298 to your 297, in which you accuse Katsuki of going on a 'voyage of discrediting' you. Looking at all his posts before that, there isliterally nothingin the way of discrediting you, so your initial accusation would appear to be completely fabricated. So he says it's "interesting" that you wanted to take a look at Mindgamer. Who cares? Why did you need to get so defensive about it? There are much better arguments you could be making here, for instance, Katsuki is being extremely opaque about his suspects. Instead of commenting on this though you have chosen to tilt at windmills.
And no, you're wrong yet again. I listed four people I did not have a read on. He took the heavily suspected player out of the list, and instead of then accusing me, said "Interesting" in an attempt to be sinister.
It's like 3 scumtells mixed into one shitty scummy post.
And the faults you name are playstyle faults of Katsuki's, not scumtells. Keep going, Ceph.
"Yes, he is vaguely linking you with scum suspects. That's not scummy at all."In post 595, Cephrir wrote:Yes, he is vaguely linking you with scum suspects a little. Why is that scummy? You also claim he's 'hyperinteracted' with you. If anything the opposite seems to be the case as he seems to be asking others about you and avoiding interacting with you.
How the fuck is that not scummy, Cephrir? I don't believe you're so thick as to miss this.
Perhaps I phrased the last part wrong. Ever since I posted about him being scum, he hyperinteracted with others about me, despite showing no interest in me until then.
It's pretty obviously not. Stop trying to fucking cover her on PR softclaims.In post 595, Cephrir wrote:-It's pretty obviously a vig softclaim.
In post 595, Cephrir wrote:-No meta appears to have been twisted.
If I'm being honest this seemed kinda townIn post 640, Espeonage wrote:Go back and read the first few posts in my iso. And the town meta you are thinking of. I can link you to scum games where I've done that too. Actually, tbh, I usually lurk more in scum games, I get scared to post because I don't want to incriminate myself.In post 587, BBmolla wrote:Cause I definitely recall something different.
If you did decide to unvote him, where would you move your vote?In post 657, BBmolla wrote:If I'm being honest this seemed kinda townIn post 640, Espeonage wrote:Go back and read the first few posts in my iso. And the town meta you are thinking of. I can link you to scum games where I've done that too. Actually, tbh, I usually lurk more in scum games, I get scared to post because I don't want to incriminate myself.In post 587, BBmolla wrote:Cause I definitely recall something different.
Not enough to unvote but I thought I'd mention it
That was the intention, yes.In post 613, fferyllt wrote:I'm working to get a better picture of Katsuki's thought process. His read of you is a piece of the puzzle.In post 610, T S O wrote: I don't believe that Katsuki just called me confscum if MG is and you asked him what he fucking thought of BBMolla?
Are you trying to figure out if I agree with that read?
Good as that sounds, it's irrelevant unless you quote examples and explain. I doubt you'll do that, seeing as you won't be able to, but I'll throw down the gauntlet anyway.In post 614, Katsuki wrote:Now you have him putting words in my mouth.In post 606, fferyllt wrote:I brought it up because he said that was the basis for your calling his play different in this game. What did made him town in that game?Also, the fight between saki and TSO is irrelevant to anything and I'm not sure why you're bringing it up? (It's not what made him town, and not the difference between his play here and there that's alignment indicative)
The biggest difference I would say is the degree of genuineness. You could see his townie intent that game. Aka, the motivation behind his posts there was townmotivated, where as here it drips scum intent.
lol i dno one joke post yay hes town!In post 614, Katsuki wrote:I dunno he can be town for the hearthstone post.ffrey wrote:What are your thougts about BBmolla?@Cephir: The mindgamer post was more so, TSO had mentioned mindgamer before, then when the wagon happened, he decided to stick mindgamer in null and say "I'll read later" (when his iso consisted of maybe 5 posts at most). Line of thinking there was, if mindgamer is scum, TSO is conf scum based on numerous factors of his play.
I've never felt my personality really obscures my alignment. What do you mean?In post 659, BBmolla wrote:ABR I guess. Don't really feel the TSO vote anymore, I'm having a hard time reading his play behind his personality.
I don't.In post 661, T S O wrote:That was the intention, yes.
Do you agree with my read on him?
Unwarranted confidence erks me.In post 661, T S O wrote:I've never felt my personality really obscures my alignment. What do you mean?
No. I p much disagree, but my Katsuki-town model is pretty sketchy and the scum model is nonexistant.
Through my unthorough readthrorough I noted your unwarranted confidence and found it scummy while not noting anything else about you.
Ew. Maybe the people who were voting you were on to something.fferyllt wrote:In post 665, T S O wrote:In post 664, fferyllt wrote: I want to review some of Katsuki's scum games in the next day or two. The two games we've played, we were both town. And the one where we were both in the game to the bitter end, we didn't read each other very well.
In post 668, fferyllt wrote:No. I p much disagree, but my Katsuki-town model is pretty sketchy and the scum model is nonexistant.
I want to review some of Katsuki's scum games in the next day or two. The two games we've played, we were both town. And the one where we were both in the game to the bitter end, we didn't read each other very well.
Dota mafia would be a good start. You can see TSO for the obvscum he is here!In post 669, T S O wrote:re-read DotA and don't let the TSO-Saki shitpool prevent you from seeing Katsuki clearly