Open 536: Faith Plus One Game Over! Mafia Win!

[T S O]

If Grimgroove dies then both healers should then claim to prevent scum getting through free.

I don't think a Healer should claim today. I'm pretty sure that clever Town play will mean they don't have to.

[N64Lord]

With no claim there's a larger chance of them both targeting Grim, and less safetey net in case of a faked counterclaim to Grimgroove's cop role.

[Guyett]

how about saying if you are a healer in the playerlist above grim protect him and if you're below him don't? both might be above or below though but its a chance to get protection on grim without outing another PR

[T S O]

Scum fakeclaiming anything in this set-up is a very bad idea for them.

[N64Lord]

Lets get back to the thread and see if anybody (besides GG pat on the back) can comment on Pashendale's Helium read.

[Blueberry]

questions, you know, a part of scumhunting? that thing that you're not doing

ikr

You voted me(gettin popular lately) with no explanations, again; that no time is really becoming tedious.
that 102 was nt scummy, that does not make you town. the part that does make you town is that, despite the fact that it was not scummy, many people jumped the chance to vote you for it, meaning that I think scum tried to lead your lynch. in the future, with a flip and a tad more info and time to research, looking at your voters should imo bring at least one scum. looking into taylor's L-1 wagon can yield probably 2. anyone who was on both - might be votable.

That doesn't even make sense

[Blueberry]

what does that even mean.? If you are referring to the BB townread, it is not the fact that he was wagoned; it was the fact that the basis for the votes was wrong, and the fact that they piled up very quickly.

Yeah, because town never make votes with wrong reasonings and would never quickwagon anyone, totes.

[helium-3]

I am madly in love with Paschendale's read on Helium. He brought under words what I couldn't.
Read it!

I accept your apology.

I sincerely hope that when we are dead or you are dead or postgame or whenever you find out what our alignment is you will come back to this game and learn all about what a hard reset is. a hard reset is something I was in the process of doing before you outed. after you outed, we obviously had to. a hard reset is what you ought to be doing right now.

a postgame excercise that I sometimes do is go back and look through my old games, iso a person I was convinced was scum but wasn't and look at their posts from a town POV and a scum POV and see where I erred in my thinking. I think this would be a good game to do that with and groovy kid I strongly suggest you do this too.

scum to me looks like obscurity, that lord thing and either guyett or taylor, leaning more heavily on guy. I think what I am going to start doing in all my scum games is make 4 posts in 40 pages, provide no reads and no content so that every1 will think I am town.

[N64Lord]

@Helium

Weren't you holding that it was the right thing to do in debating with him because of his Unfamiar town play? Wouldn't a hard reset be loaded on account of starting with him already claimed? It reads that you would naturally still attack his posts if it wasn't for the claim.

[pieceofpecanpie]

@everyone

On the topic of FH's, whoever is

below

GG on the playerlist should heal him, and whoever is above him on the playerlist shouldn't.

Now let's just hope he gets a piece of the healing, but not the whole slice.

[Guyett]

@everyone

On the topic of FH's, whoever is

below

GG on the playerlist should heal him, and whoever is above him on the playerlist shouldn't.

Now let's just hope he gets a piece of the healing, but not the whole slice.

how about saying if you are a healer in the playerlist above grim protect him and if you're below him don't? both might be above or below though but its a chance to get protection on grim without outing another PR

....same difference

[pieceofpecanpie]

...there is a difference

[shos]

@everyone

On the topic of FH's, whoever is

below

GG on the playerlist should heal him, and whoever is above him on the playerlist shouldn't.

Now let's just hope he gets a piece of the healing, but not the whole slice.

dat was my plan, dammit.

@GG: I dun remember, really. what I do remember is many people talking about how scummy that post was.

it wasn't.

[shos]

in order to increase our chances, if we divide the town to groups of 6 that's the highest chance that we have to separate them. so let's do it that way, since GG is in the middle of the playerlist on p1, if you are a FH and above his name, target him, and if under, target someone else. *crosses fingers*

how about saying if you are a healer in the playerlist above grim protect him and if you're below him don't? both might be above or below though but its a chance to get protection on grim without outing another PR

@everyone

On the topic of FH's, whoever is

below

GG on the playerlist should heal him, and whoever is above him on the playerlist shouldn't.

Now let's just hope he gets a piece of the healing, but not the whole slice.

see, I'm just being ignored

[shos]

the odds for FHs to be ont he same side are 45%, and that is without knowing my own role.

also relevant.

if anyone wants to know how I calculated this, well, the number of options of having both in 6 is 6!/4!/2! and there's two groups so that's 6*5=30. total number of options is 12!/10!/2! which makes 66. 30/66=45%

[Taylor]

And what if both are above or both are below him, then what?

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[Guyett]

its wifom for scum...

[pieceofpecanpie]

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[pieceofpecanpie]

EBWOP

see, I'm just being ignored

Piffle

[shos]

scum will probably shoot GG anyway. if they are both above or under, then he will 100% die and not 50%. btu at least the FHs will still be undercover.

[Grimgroove]

You still didn't comment on Plan C.
Your plan is bad, your statistics are all fine and dandy but I'll give you a statistic: it relies 100% on luck.

Plan C doesn't.

[N64Lord]

In plan C the scum are given a choice between faking or letting you get a result off(with 50% of us losing a healer) but with the added benefit of you having a marginally pool of townies to inspect from+ associative tells from attempts to revitalize some older wagons. Or they could risk the hax and we'd never know if they targeted claimed healer or yourself. The insurance against a fakeclaim will probbably be enough less because its through but more because scum won't be ready to volunteer a member d1 since they haven't gotten time to discuss.

It's nice to have, though in a worst case scenario, 1. Real FH claims. 2. Grimgrove is killed through 50% and flips cop.3. Two more FH claims. 4. D1 claim mislynched. 5. town has no tells to which FH is scum....

So I'm fine with not coaching them and letting them protect who they want, the double protect could happen, but lets not pretend like the playerbase isn't divided on your claim, some players wouldn't protect you as FH even if they thought the other wouldn't.

[pieceofpecanpie]

You still didn't comment on Plan C.
Your plan is bad, your statistics are all fine and dandy but I'll give you a statistic: it relies 100% on luck.

Plan C doesn't.

Start praying then.

Seconded on N64.

[helium-3]

@Helium

Weren't you holding that it was the right thing to do in debating with him because of his Unfamiar town play? Wouldn't a hard reset be loaded on account of starting with him already claimed? It reads that you would naturally still attack his posts if it wasn't for the claim.

except that isn't what happened. I was in the process of doing a hard reset prior to his claim.

[N64Lord]

OK, so everyone who's actually looked at grimgroove's meta agrees that it matches his scum meta and/or is distinctly different from his town meta.

Why are there only 2 votes for the groovy kid at this point?

This is your last post before the claim. 785 You were not changing your reads on him leading up to it as far as I can tell from your ISO.