Red Wine Mafia: Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, my play right now isn't the best. I have a slow start, I mentioned that already. I'd rate my town play as 7/10, just this game is worse than usual. I can't make up stuff out of nothing, so I have to wait for a few flips to get good reads. Just the way it is.

[Pjovek]

No it's not.

If your townplay was ever 7/10 at all, you would know how to deal with it. But empirical evidence from this game suggests it never was anyways.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right-o.

[BBmolla]

Because I'm behind and skimming and bbmollas post caught my attention. Its entirely possible I simply never read yours. With that said, yours doesn't seem as bad anyway. The wording is more natural, and you are happy with where your vote is, all of which are key differences. BBmolla had just unvoted. The 'SIGH' made it feel very forced, and him saying his reads are shit gives him an excuse to spontaneously change them when he decides who he wants to vote next (if scum).

That's completely counter productive, especially in the position I'm in. If I were scum, I'd be pushing a "strong scumread" by now so that I looked better.

I'm sorry that scum-you looks like genuine-town-me, nothin I can do about that.

[BBmolla]

If Esp is town, 75% certain Ceph is scum. This post is the type of framing case I'd be doing now as scum.

[BBmolla]

Example, see:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4868462

[BBmolla]

ABR what is your read of Ceph, and why do you think I'm scum?

[Pjovek]

Because I'm behind and skimming and bbmollas post caught my attention. Its entirely possible I simply never read yours. With that said, yours doesn't seem as bad anyway. The wording is more natural, and you are happy with where your vote is, all of which are key differences. BBmolla had just unvoted. The 'SIGH' made it feel very forced, and him saying his reads are shit gives him an excuse to spontaneously change them when he decides who he wants to vote next (if scum).

That's completely counter productive, especially in the position I'm in. If I were scum, I'd be pushing a "strong scumread" by now so that I looked better.

I'm sorry that scum-you looks like genuine-town-me, nothin I can do about that.

If Esp is town, 75% certain Ceph is scum. This post is the type of framing case I'd be doing now as scum.

Example, see:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4868462

I'd think that you'd understand that using self-meta on other players doesn't work by the context of the first post, but here we are, and here you go.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR what is your read of Ceph, and why do you think I'm scum?

Ceph is scummy based on a gut read. Same as with you.

[mykonian]

votecount

espeonage (4): natirasha, tammy, projectmatt, cephrir
Albert B. Rampage (3): katsuki, pjovek, especiallythelies
katsuki (2): chamber, espeonage
natirasha (1): Llamarble
bbmolla (1): Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (4): cabd, TSO, bbmolla, fferyllt

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is on the 30th!!!

[Espeonage]

Myko I'm voting Kat.

[Espeonage]

No it's not.

If your townplay was ever 7/10 at all, you would know how to deal with it. But empirical evidence from this game suggests it never was anyways.

This is only day 1.

[Espeonage]

Nati, you think llama-espi-??? team?

Yeah that was a classic "setup your scum partner for slightly off the border claim".

This is a pretty bad line to take without the hindsight of flips.

@ABR, interested in your read on me seeing as you offered. I don't think you're scum and avoiding my lynch would be nice, so I feel working together on this would be helpful, no?

[fferyllt]

Nati, you think llama-espi-??? team?

Yeah that was a classic "setup your scum partner for slightly off the border claim".

This is a pretty bad line to take without the hindsight of flips.

@ABR, interested in your read on me seeing as you offered. I don't think you're scum and avoiding my lynch would be nice, so I feel working together on this would be helpful, no?

What leads you to think he isn't scum?

[BBmolla]

I'd think that you'd understand that using self-meta on other players doesn't work by the context of the first post, but here we are, and here you go.

Provide me examples of players doing that sort of framing as town and I'll concede to that.

[Cephrir]

*resists urge to wade into ffery's line of questioning*

Apparently I'm suddenly scummy! To think, I was starting to think I could play town halfway decently. Oh well, a nice mislynching should disillusion me.

Hey ABR, I can't help but notice a bit of a correlation there. Tell me, how do you feel about Katsuki, Pjovek, ETL, and Llamarble?

[Cephrir]

So how about that tons of content you said you had on the way, ABR?

You see, the thing is that I'm not attached to any read. I could honestly go many different ways, since I don't have strong gut reads.

I don't understand what's so town about Katsuki. I find him scummy.

Mindgamer/BBmolla, I've been flip flopping on, and they're not somebody I would carry to Day 2 with me if I had a choice.

I can tell you what I think of Espeonage if you want me to.

I honestly feel exactly like what chamber is posting he is feeling, especially about BBmolla, his commitment to this game, being actually forced to play even when we aren't interested, everything he says is an echo to what I'm thinking.

I like Tammy.

I tend to really hesitate to give Llamarble an early read as I've learned the hard way that he can have a really slow start as town.

This applies to me very much. Extremely slow start this game.

I disagree with most of what ETL says, but I can't really say that I have a scum read on her.

There's just too much uncertainty in the game for me to say, yep, that's the scum right there. I need to see some flips, and then I can analyze the votes and the bandwagons. Right now, nothing is jumping at the screen to me.

My IQ may only be this high once in November. Caffeine is a powerful drug and must be maximized.
I will VOTE: ABR though. This is the chosen wagon of the townblock.

VOTE: ABR

Probably the lynch for today. Espy at least has some town pings.

These two votes are coming out of nowhere, from players who have not indicated any prior suspicion of me. It feels as though you two put as much effort into those votes as I did this entire game. "ABR is the lynch the town has chosen" what kind of logic is that?

It sounds more like what Natirasha said, ABR is the scum-approved mislynch of the day. Not that Natirasha has to be town in order to say that.

Then Pjovek votes me, which is just incomprehensible. I don't think Pjovek is scum so this vote baffles me.

If we could turn our attention somewhere else while I stand back, collect evidence, and win the endgame for the town, that'd be great. Thanks.

[Iso reveals that Katsuki is 'scummy', Pjovek isn't despite the ludicrous crusade against him at the start of the game, ETL is causing you to disagree with her but not scummy, and Llamarble is mentioned only to say "gee that vote came outta nowehere"]

So, please discredit your former wagon harder?

[Espeonage]

Nati, you think llama-espi-??? team?

Yeah that was a classic "setup your scum partner for slightly off the border claim".

This is a pretty bad line to take without the hindsight of flips.

@ABR, interested in your read on me seeing as you offered. I don't think you're scum and avoiding my lynch would be nice, so I feel working together on this would be helpful, no?

What leads you to think he isn't scum?

Because he isn't. His hopping reads to me like "I want to survive" and I feel his willingness to help later is genuine not stall-y. Of course this hinges on later contribution, but there are a few players shooting nothing but one liners and I feel ABR is the one that's come under fire because he's the easiest target because usually scum are the ones wanting so badly to survive. I guess it's gut that I'm starting to flesh out. His recent posts are quite good.

[Cephrir]

Because he isn't. His hopping reads to me like "I want to survive"

>.<

[Espeonage]

I expanded, don't give me that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

*resists urge to wade into ffery's line of questioning*

Apparently I'm suddenly scummy! To think, I was starting to think I could play town halfway decently. Oh well, a nice mislynching should disillusion me.

Hey ABR, I can't help but notice a bit of a correlation there. Tell me, how do you feel about Katsuki, Pjovek, ETL, and Llamarble?

I mostly only think you are scum out of this group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nati, you think llama-espi-??? team?

Yeah that was a classic "setup your scum partner for slightly off the border claim".

This is a pretty bad line to take without the hindsight of flips.

@ABR, interested in your read on me seeing as you offered. I don't think you're scum and avoiding my lynch would be nice, so I feel working together on this would be helpful, no?

I rather not. Katsuki I may get behind.

[Espeonage]

Alright, your prerogative.

Do you agree that Kat's play doesn't add up with how her previous player was read, or do you have more you'd like to bring to the table?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree.

[Pjovek]

I'd think that you'd understand that using self-meta on other players doesn't work by the context of the first post, but here we are, and here you go.

Provide me examples of players doing that sort of framing as town and I'll concede to that.

Alberto earlier this game.

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