Open 536: Faith Plus One Game Over! Mafia Win!

[Guyett]

Hai mastin we're the best scum buddies ever!!! we're so in sync!!

[Guyett]

VOTE: Helium
Given Mollie plenty of opportunity to try to sort me. She has sat around and let a shit read carry over. This is not the TownMollie I know.

jiffy has done fuck all since subbing in.

-> 6-8 pages a day
-> Subbed in with < 72 hours till deadline
-> Already 50 or so pages before I came in

Pray tell what you expect me to do. I've given reads as I've acquired them. No one is interacting with me or trying to read me.

Oh do fuck off you've fluff posted and sheeped yuior way through the last day or so. iso the top wagon choices and nail you balls to the mast y followiing through on one choice.

you replaced into a super scummy slot so it shouldn't be hard convincing people to flash wagon your sorry ass

[bubbajack8]

Sure is a lot of "farting off" going on with 44 hours left....

Vote Count 0.21
Taylor (2) : N64Lord, Paschendale Shos (2) : Blueberry, sthar8 Guyett (4) : T S O, XScorpion, helium-3, pieceofpecanpie Paschendale (2) : Taylor, Guyett sthar8 (1) : shos helium-3 (1) : Majiffy Not Voting (1) : Grimgroove
With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-12-01 18:00:00)

[XScorpion]

The idea of making the scum play a wifom guessing game is fucking stupid when we should be ENSURING GRIM IS PROTECTED.
I am on helium's side here.

[Taylor]

Ok.

This is for everyone.

If you think we are town, then you should be willing to trust us. Just because you don't understand our methods doesn't mean it's incorrect. If you think we are scum, then it doesn't matter since that would make our claim false. It's our role. We decide what we do with it. End of story.

You cannot say we are scum for not protecting the person you want, because we can't be both a FH and scum. Okay.

I am not going to continue arguing what is starting to look like insanity. Either you believe us, and are willing to work with us, or you don't and you're not. You can't just sit on the fence and vote us when it's convenient. If people are actively choosing irrationality over simple logic, there is literally nothing I can do about that. One should not continue to cling to hypotheses that are contradicted by observation.

We have given our thoughts, we are voting our top scum read. If you think we are town, then let us do our job. If you think we are scum, why are you arguing with a scum read? Just vote and shut the fuck up.

ETL

[XScorpion]

Either you believe us, and are willing to work with us, or you don't and you're not.

False dichotomy.

[Taylor]

Bubba

Blueberry, N64, and Sthar8 need big fat prods or big fat replacement. It is not fair they have been out of the thread over 2 days with the deadline so close.

[Taylor]

Ok in what world would you not be willing to work with someone you believe to be telling you the truth?

[Taylor]

In what

game of mafia

, I should say, since that is what we are talking about.

ETL

[XScorpion]

YOU because you refuse to protect grim!

[Paschendale]

My mistake that healers are only a 50% chance of success. That does seem a bit more balanced. Not being a healer, I don't necessarily remember how their abilities work off the top of my head.

That said, Guyett are you high? Also, do you know what the word "assumption" means? Because nothing you're citing as one is actually an assumption. I was mistaken about the success of the healer's chances, but either the healer's actions should be planned to expect success, or they should just be ignored. There's no point in planning for failure. But Taylor isn't arguing that they shouldn't protect Grim because it might not go through. Taylor is downplaying all of the benefits of success. It is not that Taylor might not succeed in protecting Grim that makes them scum, it is how vehemently Taylor refuses to do so that does it.

Meanwhile, concluding that Taylor is scum is not an "assumption". That's a conclusion. Taylor is not taking the best actions if their claim were true, and Taylor's overall play has been absolutely scummy. I do not believe Taylor's claim. And if we cannot reasonably rely on our healers to succeed, and are determined to assume that they won't (the only one assuming anything here is Guyett, but I'm not condemning anyone for assuming things), then we shouldn't care about them or consider them more valuable than VTs, and the claim shouldn't be afforded any weight.

Taylor has lied about crumbing the PR. Taylor is not acting in the manner to best utilize the healer's ability. Taylor's play is scummy, and Taylor's handling of the claim is not genuine. The claim is a lie. They are scum.

And on a tangent, why exactly does Taylor think that I'm scum? I don't think I ever saw an argument for it, and certainly I haven't been Taylor's main focus. It's been entirely survival, not scumhunting. Getting me lynched has barely registered on Taylor's radar at all.

[Paschendale]

Also Guyett, why did you persist in posting the "the other FH might not believe Taylor and protect Grim anyway", when literally the next sentence of my post addressed that. The other FH, actually being town, would do what the rest of the town suggested. Not sabotaging the rest of the team is the pro-town thing to do.

[Taylor]

YOU because you refuse to protect grim!

You don't want to work with us because you disagree with a choice that we have made and explained. And you don't agree with our choice, because you think it's wrong, because you do not understand why we think our plan works better.

Is that right?

ETL

[Taylor]

Also pasch is living on a planet where one of the FHs is scum. Literally nothing he has posted this entire game has made any logical sense. This is NOT the same pasch from anti's game. At all.

ETL

[XScorpion]

YOU because you refuse to protect grim!

You don't want to work with us because you disagree with a choice that we have made and explained. And you don't agree with our choice, because

you think

it's wrong,

because you do not understand why we think our plan works better.

Is that right?

ETL

Yes.

[bubbajack8]

Sorry, I'm busy.

I took this as a Thanksgiving V/LA. She has until 10 am tomorrow until she is prodded.

Prodding Grim. JK Mod error.

Prodding helium. JK Mod error.

Prodding N64. Not kidding.

Prodding sthar8. Not kidding.

Due to the holidays, I did pause the deadline, and adjusted it. However unless you let me know ahead of time, or gave me an idea like Blueberry did, I can not accept V/LAs afterwards.

[Taylor]

scorp don't edit my thoughts, okay? You think it's wrong. We think it's right. Think about that. There must be a reason, yes?

ETL

[XScorpion]

Because you're being stubborn about protecting grim?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Because you're being stubborn about protecting grim?

That's not it. We did explain it. You didn't understand it. That is not an insult. Please do not preserve your ego when it could hurt us.

E

[XScorpion]

Well I think you are wrong and helium is right.

[Taylor]

Because you're being stubborn about protecting grim?

That's not it. We did explain it. You didn't understand it. That is not an insult. Please do not preserve your ego when it could hurt us.

E

[Taylor]

Well I think you are wrong and helium is right.

Okay. That's fine. It's not going to change how we are looking at this. Does that make us scum?

E

[XScorpion]

If it did, I'd already be on your wagon. That doesn't make you right, or clear you as town.

[Taylor]

If we aren't scum, then what are we? There is only one alternative. You don't have to understand what we are doing to trust us and try to work with us on our reads.

I do not believe Guyett is a good lynch. Pasch is a far better option. Please just take a look at every single one of his posts. There is a serious lack of cohesion. He has parked his vote on us

the entire day

. Even Helium and Grim have gone back and forth (by the way - one of the reasons I believe at they are town. mastin disagrees on grim, but we're talking). This back and forth shows pretty clearly town wavering.

You should be voting Pasch.

ETL

[XScorpion]

If we aren't scum, then what are we? There is only one alternative.

Wrong, of course. Perhaps you are scum after all. It's hard for me to trust you with you refusing to protect grim, which is the pro-town play here. Why should I listen to you if you won't listen to anyone else?