Mini 1521: The Fall - Game Over

[Hopkirk]

That format is horrible. I think I'll directly quote bigger stuff.

[Jake from State Farm]

ok so I see the problem, you are misunderstanding what I said.

I never said making a list of scum reads is bad. I said making a list of reads that names every single player and puts them on the spectrum of town all the way to scum is bad AND a complete waste of time.

I dont give a rats ass who slandaar thinks is town, I don't care who he thinks is Townish or even Townishish. had he left all of those names out and just posted

That Leaves
Ald; meh, asking me why I am 'so town' was terrible.
Hopsy who is scumish; he is very wooden.
PV posted nothing but scumish for similar reasons to JKLM
Bolte who has done nothing. Literally.
JKLM who is scum.

with a little bit more explanation, we probably would not even be having this discussion. But the fact the felt the need to post this

Heres my current reads:

Too town for any townlist: Slandaar

Town
EG
Yiley
Duck
Zeus

Townish
Username - although his posts read very manufactured.
Grey

Townishishish
Jake

makes him not a town read of mine anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

I on the other hand dislike your complete lack of doing any scum hunting and poor reasoning/opinions. Your opinions are scum motivated.

I already did my scum hunting and found who I believe to be scum so this is a blatant lie.

My reasonings/opinions are not poor and they certainly are not scum motivated, but of course you have to say that because if you said they were good that would confirm I am right about you.

[Hopkirk]

I was kind of arguing for more detailed ones as i saw you as talking about the standard kind of list.

Want to respond to my response to your case or admit none of it is valid (see 399)?

[Jake from State Farm]

is your post 399 still valid given you misunderstood what I was talking about? if yes I will take a look at it, if not I won't waste anyone's time, especially mine

[Hopkirk]

The "Addressing the case" part is.
(and i know it's entire not intire)

[Jake from State Farm]

Your case addressed:

ok try to clean this up.

his reaction to my joke was bad”

Seriously what kind of fool interprets what I was saying as serious when it’s said IN DIRECT RESPONSE to joke. Work on looking at context.

I guess I am the type of fool because

him attacking a person who didn't want to rvs is bad”:

I’ve fully explained it wasn’t just this but your case here seems to be because we disagree about emo’s position being scummy-which I think it is. Not a reaction test but a scummy play.

First things first

Attacking a person for not RVS'ing is like scumtell numero uno

Secondly, It was so obviously a reaction test even Stevie Wonder saw that shit.

I added 371. Voting me because I don't share your opinion.”

:
Consider the emo thing. THIS IS YOUR INTIRE CASE.

NOOOOO

My case is your bad reactions, you attacking an easy target and by doing so committed probably one of the most obvious scum tells in my opinion, and 3rdly voting me for not sharing your opinion, which is even more justified because you didn't even take the time to understand what I was saying. You proved it in your posts. You assumed I was saying one thing when in reality I was saying something else.


The rest I left out because I already responded to in post 402

[Hopkirk]

Because needs to have something following it.
I've made my case about emo's non rvs being scummy. You're voting me because we disagree on someone else being scummy here.
I didn't attack an easy target. The point is emo was trying to make them self the hardest target/to stop anyone reading them as scum by: i.) Not taking part in the thing where initial reads come from and ii.)) Instead making false activity (easy qs) that couldn't make her look scummy. The thing i dislike is her motivation- instead of looking for scum only defending herself in the first stages.
You are voting me for not sharing your opinions on emo being scummy and nothing else.

[Jake from State Farm]

Rvs is trash. Not participating in it isn't alignment related just like participating in it isn't.

Did she make herself the hard target? No cause she was immediately called out for her comment. That is what a reaction test is IMO. Doing something that looks scummy to generate reactions and start discussion.

Much like my joke did.

Now later today or tomorrow when I get to my laptop, I'll re-read and look for your buddies but until you are lynched my motivation is kind of low

[Hopkirk]

You're ignoring my entire point/rvs.
"she was immediately called out for her comment": By me.
That is what a reaction test is IMO: You call it a reaction test,she doesn't, i call it really scummy. You're saying "she's scummy and you voted someone scummy so you're scummy" which is a pathetic attempt.
Much like my joke did. : I responded with my joke and NOBODY mentioned it (or reference you) again/for a while.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok so it was an unintentional reaction test but it still was one. You saying she was avoiding rvs to keep from slipping up sounds like such horseshit. I'll check her other games to see if she truly hates rvs or if this was the first.

Secondly , did you just say I called her scummy? Cause that's not true. I don't believe I ever did then again it could be the way you respond to individual quotes, it's bordering atrocious and I find it near impossible to figure out what you are saying from my phone.

[Hopkirk]

"Doing something that looks scummy", same principal: Voting people for being scummy is a good thing not a scum tell.

[Jake from State Farm]

Smh, I didn't think I really had to type the whole thing as I thought it was implied.

"doing something that looks scummy but team my isn't"
Not rvs'ing isn't scummy to me but someone making that statement would appear scummy. If anything that action was pro- town. I'll admit I'm kinda blind to her other posts but will read them in my re-read

[greygnarl]

@Whoever asked about my Yiley read on page 15: I saw him jumping to defend scummy Hopkirk when he wasn't even in danger, and I read that as noob scum. However, I then thought he was just noob null and looked elsewhere, however typing this gave me an idea.

Yiley has been acting pretty odd, I know he's not very good, but the only person he has addressed this whole game is me after I called him scum. He freaked out and demanded to know why. He kept going and then started the reach game of calling me scum for not explaining why I had a scumread on him.

Also, he is not a reliable vote, he plays self-preservation and hasn't made an insight all game. He's dead weight.

Lastly, if Yiley is scum, Hopkirk is scum. Yiley had a little panic attack when the votes piled on Hopkirk, that's pretty suspicious. No way noob scum would defend a townie like that. Yiley could be town (obviously), but I'm feeling pretty confident in my read right now. Yiley is poison, he is either scum or a reflexive vote, and it's probably scum.

VOTE: Yiley

[greygnarl]

Also Ald how about content.

[Jake from State Farm]

can the reverse be true? if hopkirk is scum then Yiley is scum? if so vote Hop with me

[greygnarl]

Not necessarily. If Hopkirk is scum then Yiley is probably scum but not certainly. If Yiley is scum hopkirk is 100% scum and also if Yiley is not scum no loss.

[emogirl123]

if Yiley is not scum no loss.

I used to think like that, then scum manipulated that sentence into a L-1 for me. Good thing I'm pretty good at playing SK.

[emogirl123]

Hey username, what are your thoughts now about stuff. It might sound weird, but when I was making my case against Alduskkel, you were probably the only player I expected to understand my thought process. I'm interested in what your reads are now based on the past few pages. I feel as if there are some high-level tactics being played, care to do an analysis?

[emogirl123]

care to do an analysis?

I think main points I'm interested in, but not limited to, are:
- points where counterpushes are easy
- scum defending obvious town
- scum defending non-obvious scum
- and based on the analysis, who do you want to flip, and what info will be gain from the flip

[emogirl123]

If Alduskkel is town, and already gained that much momentum. Hopkirk would have hopped over to his wagon as a scum instead of flailing around annoying everyone in the game. I'm toying around with theories like this. I'm still V/LA and don't really want to devote time to make a solid push. You guys can take care of it. I believe in you.

[Jake from State Farm]

if Yiley is not scum no loss.

I used to think like that, then scum manipulated that sentence into a L-1 for me.

Good thing I'm pretty good at playing SK.

explain the bolded please

[emogirl123]

Some old meta playing as SK that you guys don't have access to. Lead policy lynches of bad players because it was hard to figure out their alignment.

[Yiley]

Ok so then do you think if you lynch me and I'm town (which I am) that Hopkirk is clear? I could make it really obvious for you and claim if you want.

[emogirl123]

Don't fucking claim on day 1.