Red Wine Mafia: Game Over

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Nat, I like esp and cabd for town. Guyett and Llamarble are more questionable. I wasnt really liking Tammy's posts, but I was thinking it could just be playstyle. Guyett claims he didnt read the thread even though he had time. Do you have something more on that slot I missed?

Also, what are you thinking with Llama?

[chamber]

There must have been lots of activity last night then.

This post is seriously lynch worthy on its own. Its a classic scumtell that newbs often fall into. And guyett looks a lot like a newb.

[Guyett]

Nat, I like esp and cabd for town. Guyett and Llamarble are more questionable. I wasnt really liking Tammy's posts, but I was thinking it could just be playstyle.

Guyett claims he didnt read the thread even though he had time.

Do you have something more on that slot I missed?

Also, what are you thinking with Llama?

I got distracted by other games and RL stuff :shrug:

[Guyett]

Llamarble is town. I am nearly 100% sure

[Natirasha]

Nat, I like esp and cabd for town. Guyett and Llamarble are more questionable. I wasnt really liking Tammy's posts, but I was thinking it could just be playstyle. Guyett claims he didnt read the thread even though he had time. Do you have something more on that slot I missed?

Also, what are you thinking with Llama?

I didn't like a lot of Llama's posts late day one. He sounded a lot like how I sound when I'm scum. Begrudgingly, he does speak some sense though.

I don't believe Espeon's claim at all. We lynched

ABR

over him.

Cabd I'm most sketchy on yeah.

Guyett...I didn't really mind Tammy's posts(but likewise didn't find them amazing). Guyett usually has more zing to him, though. We'll see.

[Pjovek]

Llamarble is town. I am nearly 100% sure

Not what you should be talking about.

I suggest your next post be something like this: "random guy X is scum. I am nearly 100% sure"
Bonus points if you can actually explain it.

[chamber]

Why aren't you voting him exactly?

[Guyett]

The posts from Llamarbe that I read when I replaced in looked super obv town. Tbh I'd be looking at ESP for scum

[mykonian]

votecount

guyett (3): fferyllt, chamber, Llamarble

Not voting (10): TSO, cabd, katsuki, pjovek, especiallythelies, guyett, bbmolla, espeonage, natirasha, projectmatt

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[fferyllt]

These two posts, which were on the same page, make me cautious about assuming Tammy was scum with Ceph.

Yeah but normally I'm paranoid for a while and then I stop being paranoid, correctly so. This game I just think you're scum. Relatedly, I have not seen you be scum.

I can't ignore this correlation.

That's too bad for both of us if you're town.

Though, I'm in the middle of kinda fun state of mind with regard to this game. I see myself as approaching confirmed town status and my reads are going to be golden if that happens. So I should keep working on those reads.

Okay the ffery wagon is officially stupid.

Cabd? You're still scum reading ffery?

^^ She was wrong about why that post sounds like town-me, but not too far wrong.

But her comment did lead to the immediate dismantling of my wagon, even though she was commenting on something I had posted 2-3 days earlier. It still bothers me a little that Cabd didn't unvote or comment about the post until after Tammy did, because he should have known immediately what that post indicated about my stance and my estimation of my usefulness in the game.

ffery could maybe be town. I'll give her some space for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

First vote off my wagon after Tammy's post.

I realize that this is meaningless to other players because you don't know my alignment. But, I do know it, and so do scum. I don't see why scum-Tammy would take this stance. And more importantly, I don't see why Ceph, now known to be scum, would move in lockstep with a scumbuddy on my wagon-dismantlement.

UNVOTE

I had other reasons to think Tammy was town on day 1. This wagon-interaction adds some objective weight to those reasons.

[Pjovek]

Why aren't you voting him exactly?

Funny.


As for the actual question, no real reason, I just didn't do it yet.
Not like I'm in a hurry.

[Pjovek]

These two posts, which were on the same page, make me cautious about assuming Tammy was scum with Ceph.

Yeah but normally I'm paranoid for a while and then I stop being paranoid, correctly so. This game I just think you're scum. Relatedly, I have not seen you be scum.

I can't ignore this correlation.

That's too bad for both of us if you're town.

Though, I'm in the middle of kinda fun state of mind with regard to this game. I see myself as approaching confirmed town status and my reads are going to be golden if that happens. So I should keep working on those reads.

Okay the ffery wagon is officially stupid.

Cabd? You're still scum reading ffery?

^^ She was wrong about why that post sounds like town-me, but not too far wrong.

But her comment did lead to the immediate dismantling of my wagon, even though she was commenting on something I had posted 2-3 days earlier. It still bothers me a little that Cabd didn't unvote or comment about the post until after Tammy did, because he should have known immediately what that post indicated about my stance and my estimation of my usefulness in the game.

ffery could maybe be town. I'll give her some space for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

First vote off my wagon after Tammy's post.

I realize that this is meaningless to other players because you don't know my alignment. But, I do know it, and so do scum. I don't see why scum-Tammy would take this stance. And more importantly, I don't see why Ceph, now known to be scum, would move in lockstep with a scumbuddy on my wagon-dismantlement.

UNVOTE

I had other reasons to think Tammy was town on day 1. This wagon-interaction adds some objective weight to those reasons.

So you don't think mafia would defend a townie.
And you don't think mafia would disagree with each other in the thread.

I've seen better logic in my time.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Oh dear Guyett. You're scum this time, aren't you... This is not townGuyett. That makes me sad.

Also, shame on anyone considering to lynch Esp right now. He's still my strongest town read and he fucking claimed a PR. Let's hear his results at the very least.

After that, I plan to vote Guyett. If anyone quicklynches I will be mad.

p-edit: agree with pjo 100% too btw. He's second strongest town read if not just as strong of a read as Esp.

[T S O]

Was I reading Cephrir as scum? I think I was.

[T S O]

Cephrir defended Katsuki, I was right on ABR-Town

feeling good about my reads right now

[fferyllt]

These two posts, which were on the same page, make me cautious about assuming Tammy was scum with Ceph.

Yeah but normally I'm paranoid for a while and then I stop being paranoid, correctly so. This game I just think you're scum. Relatedly, I have not seen you be scum.

I can't ignore this correlation.

That's too bad for both of us if you're town.

Though, I'm in the middle of kinda fun state of mind with regard to this game. I see myself as approaching confirmed town status and my reads are going to be golden if that happens. So I should keep working on those reads.

Okay the ffery wagon is officially stupid.

Cabd? You're still scum reading ffery?

^^ She was wrong about why that post sounds like town-me, but not too far wrong.

But her comment did lead to the immediate dismantling of my wagon, even though she was commenting on something I had posted 2-3 days earlier. It still bothers me a little that Cabd didn't unvote or comment about the post until after Tammy did, because he should have known immediately what that post indicated about my stance and my estimation of my usefulness in the game.

ffery could maybe be town. I'll give her some space for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

First vote off my wagon after Tammy's post.

I realize that this is meaningless to other players because you don't know my alignment. But, I do know it, and so do scum. I don't see why scum-Tammy would take this stance. And more importantly, I don't see why Ceph, now known to be scum, would move in lockstep with a scumbuddy on my wagon-dismantlement.

UNVOTE

I had other reasons to think Tammy was town on day 1. This wagon-interaction adds some objective weight to those reasons.

So you don't think mafia would defend a townie.

Of course mafia will defend a townie. I guess it's the nature of the defense that caught my attention. It wasn't exactly meta-based, or she would have nailed the reason why that was a town post. It was based on a model of town-me that had a healthy helping of Tammy's own town-mindset of "I'm obvtown and you're mentally deficient if you can't see that".

It's the concatenation - the interaction - that makes me think they can't both be scum. And one has flipped.

And you don't think mafia would disagree with each other in the thread.

That's not what happened. She said "bad vote", and he unvoted.

So, assume she is scum. Does it make sense that another mafia player would be the first to unvote me?

I've seen better logic in my time.

It's not logic.

[T S O]

Espeonage/Katsuki/ETL

my scumreads, but Katsuki strongest and ETL weakest

[Guyett]

Espeonage/Katsuki/ETL

my scumreads, but Katsuki strongest and ETL weakest

I agree on esp. Katsuki could well be scum and I'll read up there but ETL aint scum. Shes super obving town here but not as much as llama

[Katsuki]

So I never caught up on the end of the last day but I'm feeling better about chamber.

While I'd love to promise a catch up someday, given my recent lack of motivation I doubt I'll ever catch up on the pages I missed.

I did think cephir was town given how he was pointing out the things regarding me/TSO that I was wanting to say so. >.>

The post above mine is pretty bad though.

Vote: Guy

[Katsuki]

I still think TSO is scum though and my read is further reinforced by [REDACTED] though so I'll probably save my thoughts on that.

[fferyllt]

Espeonage/Katsuki/ETL

my scumreads, but Katsuki strongest and ETL weakest

Why is ETL scum?

[T S O]

it's a weak read and involves gut, but lemme quote a few things

[Natirasha]

So I never caught up on the end of the last day but I'm feeling better about chamber.

While I'd love to promise a catch up someday, given my recent lack of motivation I doubt I'll ever catch up on the pages I missed.

I did think cephir was town given how he was pointing out the things regarding me/TSO that I was wanting to say so. >.>

The post above mine is pretty bad though.

Vote: Guy

Ew.

[chamber]

These two posts, which were on the same page, make me cautious about assuming Tammy was scum with Ceph.

Yeah but normally I'm paranoid for a while and then I stop being paranoid, correctly so. This game I just think you're scum. Relatedly, I have not seen you be scum.

I can't ignore this correlation.

That's too bad for both of us if you're town.

Though, I'm in the middle of kinda fun state of mind with regard to this game. I see myself as approaching confirmed town status and my reads are going to be golden if that happens. So I should keep working on those reads.

Okay the ffery wagon is officially stupid.

Cabd? You're still scum reading ffery?

^^ She was wrong about why that post sounds like town-me, but not too far wrong.

But her comment did lead to the immediate dismantling of my wagon, even though she was commenting on something I had posted 2-3 days earlier. It still bothers me a little that Cabd didn't unvote or comment about the post until after Tammy did, because he should have known immediately what that post indicated about my stance and my estimation of my usefulness in the game.

ffery could maybe be town. I'll give her some space for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

First vote off my wagon after Tammy's post.

I realize that this is meaningless to other players because you don't know my alignment. But, I do know it, and so do scum. I don't see why scum-Tammy would take this stance. And more importantly, I don't see why Ceph, now known to be scum, would move in lockstep with a scumbuddy on my wagon-dismantlement.

UNVOTE

I had other reasons to think Tammy was town on day 1. This wagon-interaction adds some objective weight to those reasons.

Even if we assume you are town, the place Cephrir moved to was also town, and was the eventual lynch. Two weak town wagons competing with a mafia wagon is much worse for the scum than 1 stronger town wagon. So if Espeonage is scum the move makes perfect sense. Also, the majority of the weirdness with that interaction is just Cephrir unvoting you at all. That tammy said something about you first is of pretty minor consequence.

[T S O]

Oh dear Guyett. You're scum this time, aren't you... This is not townGuyett. That makes me sad.

Also, shame on anyone considering to lynch Esp right now. He's still my strongest town read and he fucking claimed a PR. Let's hear his results at the very least.

After that, I plan to vote Guyett. If anyone quicklynches I will be mad.

p-edit: agree with pjo 100% too btw. He's second strongest town read if not just as strong of a read as Esp.

I don't really think Espeonage's PR is a great claim or particularly solid, yet it's his strongest read.

Holy crap. I thought Ceph was town. -.- I really need to ISO him; I wasn't paying him close attention.

Esp, I seem to have missed something - you claimed a PR, when? What was it? And you have some information for us?

Also, just went a few posts back in your ISO to find it and one of your last posts of the day about Ceph and BB caught my eye. Can you expand any thoughts you have there?

I'm at work right now, but I'll see what I can find on my lunch break.

It feels like he's setting Espeonage up to fakeclaim correctly.

Albert B. Rampage (5): katsuki, pjovek, cephrir, especiallythelies, bbmolla

But look at this.

- I have evidence that convinces me ABR is scum.
- I believe pjovek to be town, and ceph is also very town for me.
- I put katsuki in a null-mostly-leaning-town area.
- BB is the only one I am not feeling good about on the wagon of my choice.

I know BoP is a shitty argument but everything here is wrong.