NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[mastin2]

Yunichikawowwow [8] - Garmr,

Slandaar

,

Desperado

,

Bulbazak

,

Dry-fit

,

Yiley

, JKLM,

PeregrineV

Bolded in particular are figures of interest, and italicized are minor figure of interest. (Note that doesn't mean I think the bolded are scum. I've just been keeping a much, MUCH closer eye on them than the others.)

Garmr and JKLM are still townreads of mine. Desp is on the town side of null. PV's at dead-ambivalent-null. Bulbazak's not a strong scumread, but is a minor one. Yiley's a scumread, but not by much. Dry-fit is a somewhat-strong scumread, but not nearly as strong as I'd prefer him to be.

Off the wagon, we've got Maxous as a minor scumread, Matias as a decent scumread, and aptil as only-scum-with-Bulbazak (otherwise, town). Antihero is null, but might be scum. (Read pending.)

AA9 and Yunichika are town, and Toomai looks that way, too. TSO is town as well. EPM and OGML are both null via lack of posts, but I'm guessing they're town despite no posting. (Aside from their confirms.)

I'm not really comfortable flipping the switch; this is mostly circumstantial analysis in an early-game scenario, where there are still too many variables to be certain of. But I'm pretty dang close to having flipped it.

[ElectricSavages]

Votecount 1.7

Yunichikawowwow [6]

- Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, Yiley, JKLM, PeregrineV

Bulbazak [3]

- ArcAngel9, mastin 2, Yunichikawowwow

Toomai [3]

- Maxous, Dry-fit,

Yiley [2]

- Toomai, Garmr, T S O

Desperado [1]

- aptil

Maxous [1]

- Matias

Not Voting [3]

- Antihero, evilpacman18, OhGodMyLife,

With 19 alive, it takes

10[/i]

votes to lynch.

Deadline is on the 23^rd of December 2013 at 10am GMT ((expired on 2013-12-23 10:00:00))

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[Maxous]

it's multiball?

Zounds. Was this not in both the rules and the title?

TSO is probably town for ignorance.

Ok, yeah. This is actually getting really scummy now.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote: Yuni

I'm just gonna join the largest wagon until I can read.

[Slandaar]

I'm not sure I understand. But yes. Scum voting Yuni probably think she's actually scum. It's painfully obvious she isn't, but scum this game are going to be scumhunting. Their scumhunting method will be different, naturally. Their scumhunting's not going to be as in-depth as town. It's going to be more shallow. It's going to be a cross between their scum selves (faking scumhunting) and town selves (real scumhunting), in that they're not going to fully believe what they're pushing, but they ARE going to be somewhat-serious and legitimate.

The point is; if someone thinks someone is scum as scum, they will do so as town because contrary to what you say scum will actually scumhunt and find the same things scummy as if they were town this is especially true this early on, later maybe you could say they fake some but page 5? nope.

Therefore in actuality all you are saying is a bunch of people genuinely think she is scum.

[mastin2]

The point is; if someone thinks someone is scum as scum, they will do so as town because contrary to what you say scum will actually scumhunt and find the same things scummy as if they were town this is especially true this early on, later maybe you could say they fake some but page 5? nope.

Therefore in actuality all you are saying is a bunch of people genuinely think she is scum.

Actually, no. I said as much. Scum's scumhunting will be

similar

, but not identical. They're going to be prone to bias thanks to knowing who isn't opposite-scum, and it's within scum's interests to NOT be scumhunting at 100% of their ability. They're also prone to being on any wagon they know is not on them/their team, because said player--town or opposite scum, doesn't matter!--is advantageous to be lynched.

Thus. Why wagons rise on town players so easily--because both scum factions see that player as

just

scummy enough to vote, think it's possible said player could be opposite scum, and thus, that they're immune to the consequences of that wagon. Scum aren't entirely scumhunting, so scum aren't going to necessarily be voting who they think are scum. They're going to be voting who they think they can get away with voting, and Yuni's wagon SCREAMS that.

(I forgot to mention Slandaar, who's a mild scumread.)

[Antihero]

Pasta's cooking, so reading for a second...

[Antihero]

This and this immediately stick out to me as cheap grabs for town cred.

[Antihero]

On page 3, Garmr's posts are coming off as faux scumhunting. Odd criticism of the bulba wagon too

[Antihero]

At the end of page 5; garmr, matias (maybe dry-fit) are pretty good scumpicks

[Matias]

Post later, long work day

Mastin: things seem hollow because my posts were a catchup. I've said this a few times now, future posts will be fleshed out.

By the way, TSO, I would hope that one of Maxous and I are scum lol

Responses to garmr and maxous when I'm back

[Dry-fit]

Dry-fit is a somewhat-strong scumread, but not nearly as strong as I'd prefer him to be.

Yeah I'm feeling off my game in this on so far. Are you going to explain your read on me like you said you would? And why do you want me to be a strong scumread? Have something against me?

I'm not really liking Yiley right now. Didn't follow up on his Yuni vote and hasn't brought any other scumreads to the table.

Matias' attack on the Yuni wagon doesn't feel quite right either.

[Matias]

One of Maxous and Matias is scum.

TSO. This game's multiscum. They

both

can be. (Yeah, I think they're opposite-faction scum.
Oh, and by the way, TSO just townslipped. )

I like this post and I do think it really emphasizes TSO town. Thats the most important thing to note right now

Edit: Dryfit, why? Total lack of an explanation for that

[Matias]

By the way, a lot of people are not liking any of my short sentiments during the catchup. Not that its an excuse, but I worked 50 hours so far this week and got about 12 hours of sleep, so I totally accept any information of mine to be wrong (read: who garmr was addressing), so my reads may definitely change once I'm not a zombie

[evilpacman18]

Prod recieved. It's the week before finals, bear with me. I'll probably be able to read tomorrow

[YuniChikako]

Okay, here goes a catchup.
Holy shit, we have a major playstyle issue here. Anyone voting Yuni for her first post is super opportunistic (alignment being a different story)

There's a reason I never list my town reads. I can't get what's in my head written down. A good example of this is when I attempt to write a story. Don't expect even half-decent reads from me. Probably.

Not to mention I was short on time when writing that, and refusing to list my reads doesn't help me much.

I want Yuni dead so we can lynch Matias after she flips scum. His thought process is so much shallower than Mastin's, and given the game we just finished that is not something I expected to say about Matias.

I can't say I agree with this. Matias's thoughts has some flaws (I personally don't agree with him thinking Gramrr might be scum), but his reads are pretty solid. Also,

By the way, a lot of people are not liking any of my short sentiments during the catchup. Not that its an excuse, but I worked 50 hours so far this week and got about 12 hours of sleep, so I totally accept any information of mine to be wrong (read: who garmr was addressing), so my reads may definitely change once I'm not a zombie

Though he could be trying to be misleading.

[Garmr]

On page 3, Garmr's posts are coming off as faux scumhunting. Odd criticism of the bulba wagon too

Can you tell me the point of faux scum hunting in multi scum game and not liking the bulb wagons been explained?

[Garmr]

has been*

[mastin2]

This and this immediately stick out to me as cheap grabs for town cred.

Slandaar, sure, but me, no, that was just me townslipping.

/short on time. More later.

[Matias]

Okay, here goes a catchup.
Holy shit, we have a major playstyle issue here. Anyone voting Yuni for her first post is super opportunistic (alignment being a different story)

There's a reason I never list my town reads. I can't get what's in my head written down. A good example of this is when I attempt to write a story. Don't expect even half-decent reads from me. Probably.

Not to mention I was short on time when writing that, and refusing to list my reads doesn't help me much.

I want Yuni dead so we can lynch Matias after she flips scum. His thought process is so much shallower than Mastin's, and given the game we just finished that is not something I expected to say about Matias.

I can't say I agree with this. Matias's thoughts has some flaws (I personally don't agree with him thinking Gramrr might be scum), but his reads are pretty solid. Also,

By the way, a lot of people are not liking any of my short sentiments during the catchup. Not that its an excuse, but I worked 50 hours so far this week and got about 12 hours of sleep, so I totally accept any information of mine to be wrong (read: who garmr was addressing), so my reads may definitely change once I'm not a zombie

Though he could be trying to be misleading.

Nah, this has been the most draining week of the past few months, and I start a mafia game during it. My read list was frantic because I wanted something out there, and I may have (and did) read things completely wrong, which is why I appreciate people pointing them out.

I am going to eat. I owe a response to Maxous (who is still a scum read) and Garmr (who actually is not really, any longer. You can thank mastin and my retrospection on my convo with bulb for that)

[Antihero]

holy crap, mastin acknowledged my existence

what's going on here?

[Yiley]

whats going on here is im getting scum read apparently for "not bringing more reads to the table". well then I shall say that my scum reads are currently including garmr and dry-fit

[Garmr]

^So your omgusing.

[JKLM]

This game further proves that I will have difficulty forever on trying to read gamr.

I've got nothing to say right now honestly so I'm gonna sit back and watch a lot of this. May as well ask a question to mastin, TSO and matias: what is the scummiest post so far?

[Bulbazak]

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