Mini 1522: AA - MFA (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VoteCount 3.02

theslimer3 (L-3):

Marquis

Marquis (L-2):

MafiaSSK | Bert

Not Voting:

theslimer3, Kalimar, KingdomAces, Mac

Deadline: (expired on 2013-12-22 18:15:00)
With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

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Mod Notes:

[KingdomAces]

I mostly wanted you to use it on me because it pretty much was game over if you used it on scum, and I knew that I was a potential mislynch, so I thought it was safest. Unfortunately this doesn't really give me anything new to work with, but I think that's better than just losing the game on the spot.

And If I had any information, I would have given it by now. Just treat me like a VT, because that's pretty much what I am right now.

[Bert]

GIF uses NAR, so my track won't get through the Hide.

I wish you hadn't said this, but I still think you track Marquis.

I really don't think through things. Sorry.

So Ffery/Nat wanted MafiaSSK to track Marquis.

Those accusations quite hypocritical coming from you.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

SSK, Slimer, 1 of Mac/KA (don't think they could be scum together), and Kalimar.

^that was Sakura's reads list.

PEd:
SSK: 0% Town / 100% Scum
geists 20% town / 80% Scum
KA 35% Town / 75% Scum
Slimer: 40% Town / 60% Scum.
Everyone else at 50/50 here. However if KA is scum Mac is 100% town.
Bert: 65% Town / 45% Scum
Cabd 80% Town / 20% Scum.

So Sakura would vote her scumbuddy pretty much twice (once on D1, another time on D2, then proclaim him/her the scummiest of all.

Marquis, you copping slimer doesn't match up with your play so far, whereas SSK was convinced to track Marquis. I guess maybe as scum you don't kill the tracker in case he's protected? Still weird though.

And then her comment "if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" is ODD.

[Bert]

EBWOP: I meant to say - So if SSK were scum, Sakura would have been tunneling her scumbuddy the whole game duration? Doesn't seem likely.

[theslimer3]

Wait what!?
Okay obviously bullshit. I know I've been inactive most of this game, but seriously, this game started nearly 2 weeks ago, minus the two separate night phases, and every time I look at this thread there's at minimum 300+ post for me to have to root through before I post.

The fact that you claimed 2-shot hider to live isn't something scum isn't capable. It's called planning. And you reclaiming cop is even more scumlike.

Such a gambit makes me really think that either scum has a second kill or they have plans for the other third party that they're using to win.
Furthermore edgeworth as a cop doesn't look legit anyway.
As an AA character who's only goal is to prove guilty on any opposing force, that makes me think you're claiming cop now so you can say later

"Oh lolz I was just playin I'm naive cop "

VOTE: Marquis
Get rid of this scum.

[Bert]

Sakura putting both scumbuddies in her reads list would be odd

Ssk was her top scumread; Slimer was also in there.

Someone hammer the liar.

[Marquis]

also i inspected him/her for the fact that he was quiet for 200+ posts while i was getting tunneled, but easily defended me after the hammer was placed on sakura. asshole

as for ssk, i don't have a scum case on him/her but they're lying through their teeth in an attempt to mislynch. there is nothing gambity about that at all and so it is scum

(1) And yet you didn't mention any indication of why you thought she was scummy yesterday?

(2) nothing gambity = scum? So scum don't gambit?? No....

I'm not home anymore so I will be sure to comment on your cherry picking and inability to look at the big picture later

What a wonderful world when scummy things being called out is interpreted as cherry picking! Lol.

Really, your inability to see how scummy you are when things have been pointed out is a huge red flag. Instead, flicking it back at us like we're donks and you're logical and we should be more logical.... that is a terrible objective thing to do

did you guys not see my post it was a pro

mac is still town btw. he replaces pie for me <3

Yeah, copping Mac when you think he's town after D1 is pretty sketchy.

My reasoning around that was if Marquis is SK, then he has no way of knowing that Slimer is town, so there's a decent chance we'd be lynching scum anyway. If SSK is town though, then that implies that Marquis is likely the SK, because I think that it's usually the Mafia that kills the Doctor, and the SK that goes for someone else.

If Marquis is town, the Mafia are Slimer/SSK, which means Kalimar is probably SK.
If SSK is town, then Marquis is SK and the remaining mafia is two of Slimer/Kalimar/Mac. The fact that I think Marquis was the only person who thought that Pie was a universal townread despite being one of the major wagons of D1 supports this as well.

It looks like I'm going to need to do some rereading afterall. Meanwhile Marquis, could you give flavor explanation for EdgeworthCop? I didn't question it before since it makes far more sense than tracker, but it doesn't seem quite as well aligned as everything else seems to be for the moment.

I mostly wanted you to use it on me because it pretty much was game over if you used it on scum, and I knew that I was a potential mislynch, so I thought it was safest. Unfortunately this doesn't really give me anything new to work with, but I think that's better than just losing the game on the spot.

And If I had any information, I would have given it by now. Just treat me like a VT, because that's pretty much what I am right now.

GIF uses NAR, so my track won't get through the Hide.

I wish you hadn't said this, but I still think you track Marquis.

I really don't think through things. Sorry.

So Ffery/Nat wanted MafiaSSK to track Marquis.

Those accusations quite hypocritical coming from you.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

SSK, Slimer, 1 of Mac/KA (don't think they could be scum together), and Kalimar.

^that was Sakura's reads list.

PEd:
SSK: 0% Town / 100% Scum
geists 20% town / 80% Scum
KA 35% Town / 75% Scum
Slimer: 40% Town / 60% Scum.
Everyone else at 50/50 here. However if KA is scum Mac is 100% town.
Bert: 65% Town / 45% Scum
Cabd 80% Town / 20% Scum.

So Sakura would vote her scumbuddy pretty much twice (once on D1, another time on D2, then proclaim him/her the scummiest of all.

Marquis, you copping slimer doesn't match up with your play so far, whereas SSK was convinced to track Marquis. I guess maybe as scum you don't kill the tracker in case he's protected? Still weird though.

And then her comment "if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" is ODD.

EBWOP: I meant to say - So if SSK were scum, Sakura would have been tunneling her scumbuddy the whole game duration? Doesn't seem likely.

Wait what!?
Okay obviously bullshit. I know I've been inactive most of this game, but seriously, this game started nearly 2 weeks ago, minus the two separate night phases, and every time I look at this thread there's at minimum 300+ post for me to have to root through before I post.

The fact that you claimed 2-shot hider to live isn't something scum isn't capable. It's called planning. And you reclaiming cop is even more scumlike.

Such a gambit makes me really think that either scum has a second kill or they have plans for the other third party that they're using to win.
Furthermore edgeworth as a cop doesn't look legit anyway.
As an AA character who's only goal is to prove guilty on any opposing force, that makes me think you're claiming cop now so you can say later

"Oh lolz I was just playin I'm naive cop "

VOTE: Marquis
Get rid of this scum.

Sakura putting both scumbuddies in her reads list would be odd

Ssk was her top scumread; Slimer was also in there.

Someone hammer the liar.

[Marquis]

oops i meant to respond to all of those. brb don't hammer because i'm getting all the quotes from that other game where sakura was scum and tunneled her scumbuddy the whole time

also bert, you were right. the same thing that desp apparently did is happening again. except it's ssk that's doing it: claiming he tracked me to geists is his last chance. because if you followed me like you should and slimer flipped scum, we would inevitably lynch ssk for not dying and claiming the second town investigative role. see:

sakura was the jailkeeper to cabd's doc
mafiassk is the tracker to my cop

ok so brb getting my final stuff ready, showing you why you're wrong so you can't possibly blame me for a loss postgame, and so i can safely enjoy myself in the dead thread where you'll get to read "i told you so" with the town loss that could have been completely prevented

[Marquis]

so first let's start with sakura tending to tunnel and scum/null read a partner

Scum team of Generic, Sakura Hana and Sound of Silence Have Won the game!

Hmm i was thinking of giving town points for the little joke in the doc business but what you said makes sense, and you've also covered any possible questioning i could give to your post since you've explained everything, dang... you're quite a good player.
UNVOTE:
I do agree with you on the fact that Generic is acting odd and doesn't seem to want to discern the alignment of said Hydra tho i always believe a vote is better backed up with a question so
VOTE: Generic
Generic can you tell me why does it matter to you and how will it help you discern the alignment of the unknown hydra?

P-Edit: wth is with that post Treble?

after she made a

big deal

that I was still voting for her.

This is blatant misrep, I already said i dont care about your vote, i care about your reasons behind it, and of course, the motivation for it.

I agree, i'm thinking NotMara and voodoo are town, Generic null-leaning scum, Treble null-leaning scum, and everyone else null

How funny of you mara to notice that, but not notice that we had already talked this over before.

And I started the wagon, so.... yeah, omgus
A reminder to everyone: scum have daytalk in this setup; D3f just asked for help in his QT and responded with this. It made me chuckle

wait what? scum have daytalk? o.o

Why do i always not notice when they do.

yeah i somehow always fail to read sample role PMs this happened also during pyp which is one of my latest finished game.
Dang then maybe im wrong, because scum always sneaks past by when they have day chat.

So unless Generic hasn't been paying attention he should've known scum have daytalk by now. Unless you have a reason for purposefully missing those 2 posts?

For clarification, I get scum points for not noticing day talk, yet Generic gets conf town for not noticing it TWICE.

Contradicting much?, i smell something fishy here...

Ah, the number next to his name threw me off. Indeed, there are two scum between those seven in D3f's wagon.

My money is on Generic and Treble. Now where's the 3rd hmm

Town: NotMara.
Leaning Town: Karnage, Siv
Leaning Scum: TIP, Treble
Scum: Generic.

Sound of silence and mutley get a null, SoS for not much posting and mutley because idk how to read him.

Not really

But i find it odd how you're coordinating attacks with your scum partner. Now who's the 3rd... the fact that you're defending TIP makes me think my hunch on TIP being scum is right.

My previous post was directed at Generic.

Also i called out Generic and Treble, Generic is the scummier of the 3, so what do you mean with that on your quote of my 668?

Notice she ignored my points. Because her post against me was pure mud slinging.

No your post is pure BS.

of course I couldn't find a case of her scumreading both partners, since she's only been on a 3person scumteam like twice but that doesn't negate how it actually is happening here.

[Bert]

unvote

Hold. KA needs to re-read, I need to re-skim.

[Marquis]

also i inspected him/her for the fact that he was quiet for 200+ posts while i was getting tunneled, but easily defended me after the hammer was placed on sakura. asshole

as for ssk, i don't have a scum case on him/her but they're lying through their teeth in an attempt to mislynch. there is nothing gambity about that at all and so it is scum

(1) And yet you didn't mention any indication of why you thought she was scummy yesterday?

(2) nothing gambity = scum? So scum don't gambit?? No....

(1) I'm sorry, I was too busy getting tunneled, and when I finally remembered their existence in the game, it was as I said

when they finally only posted after the hammer was placed .

(2) I don't think you understand. I know for a fact that MafiaSSK is lying about their power, but unlike me lying about my power

in order to avoid being nightkilled

yesterday, I cannot see any town motivation at all in SSK's attempt to mislynch me and win.

I'm not home anymore so I will be sure to comment on your cherry picking and inability to look at the big picture later

What a wonderful world when scummy things being called out is interpreted as cherry picking! Lol.

Really, your inability to see how scummy you are when things have been pointed out is a huge red flag. Instead, flicking it back at us like we're donks and you're logical and we should be more logical.... that is a terrible objective thing to do

did you guys not see my post it was a pro

mac is still town btw. he replaces pie for me <3

Yeah, copping Mac when you think he's town after D1 is pretty sketchy.

(1) You're right, I honestly can't see why you think I'm scummy. I performed a gambit Day 1 in the form of a fakeclaim so that I could emerge on Day 2 with a guilty or yet another conftown. The fact that this has all seemed to backfire just because MafiaSSK decided to go #YOLOEZWIN is incredibly frustrating, especially when I'm watching town implode right before my eyes all due to some paranoid tunneling.

You can't argue that "oh your point is invalid because you tunnel too". At least I question my own gutreads and change them if I think their posts are townier than I first thought.

(2) I'm going to say it again because apparently you didn't understand the first million times:

I am the Cop, not a Hider.

I inspected Mac because I didn't know what the hell to think of him after his Day 1 hammer babbling. I had to come up with that bullshit about thinking he was town in order to preserve my hider gambit

and not get killed

.

[Bert]

You never drum up stuff like this when I've played with you, except when scum.

[Bert]

You're contentless and scummy derp tunnely in my experiences with you as town.

[Marquis]

I'm constructing my next post, but I'm going to risk you screaming "SELFMETA" and offer you a chance to read my play when I'm actually a PR.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30070

ALL of Concombre and Marquis are my Town Cop play. Same role. Same situation, almost.

[Bert]

Hey KA wanted flavor information from you

Full flavor please

[Marquis]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5173593

for example, as a town PR I fight against getting mislynched because that's the worst way to go

I also like how ssk is ignoring the possibility that, if he really knows I'm scum, slimer could actually be the other faction.

pedit I'm getting to that, I'm checking the rules to see how much I can release and it's in a big quote post in another tab

[Marquis]

My reasoning around that was if Marquis is SK, then he has no way of knowing that Slimer is town, so there's a decent chance we'd be lynching scum anyway. If SSK is town though, then that implies that Marquis is likely the SK, because I think that it's usually the Mafia that kills the Doctor, and the SK that goes for someone else.

If Marquis is town, the Mafia are Slimer/SSK, which means Kalimar is probably SK.
If SSK is town, then Marquis is SK and the remaining mafia is two of Slimer/Kalimar/Mac. The fact that I think Marquis was the only person who thought that Pie was a universal townread despite being one of the major wagons of D1 supports this as well.

It looks like I'm going to need to do some rereading afterall. Meanwhile Marquis, could you give flavor explanation for EdgeworthCop? I didn't question it before since it makes far more sense than tracker, but it doesn't seem quite as well aligned as everything else seems to be for the moment.

(1) You see, Bert thinks I'm mafia with Sakura. You're thinking that I'm more likely to be SK here. The fact that you both can't clearly pigeonhole me into either category

means I'm town.

(2) Thanks for making me realize this. Everyone has been treating Mac like conftown,

because I said so

. Why have SSK and slimer not even mentioned Mac in addition to their "scumread" on me?

Because they know I'm town, and know as a result that Mac is too. They're trying not to aggravate him.

(3) Flavor? Using my logic skills and desire to find the truth, I can help the court determine if a player is not guilty or guilty. Take that as you will.

I mostly wanted you to use it on me because it pretty much was game over if you used it on scum, and I knew that I was a potential mislynch, so I thought it was safest. Unfortunately this doesn't really give me anything new to work with, but I think that's better than just losing the game on the spot.

And If I had any information, I would have given it by now. Just treat me like a VT, because that's pretty much what I am right now.

If you already know the game's over with a mislynch/towndaydeathtoPR, don't even think of lynching me. Scum know this too and that's why SSK chose to reveal himself.

[Bert]

/phone post

Ssk revealed himself in a massclaim...yesterday, not today

[Bert]

Ok let's say you're really a cop. Who else is scum other than slimer and ssk, educated guess?

[Marquis]

GIF uses NAR, so my track won't get through the Hide.

I wish you hadn't said this, but I still think you track Marquis.

I really don't think through things. Sorry.

So Ffery/Nat wanted MafiaSSK to track Marquis.

Those accusations quite hypocritical coming from you.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

SSK, Slimer, 1 of Mac/KA (don't think they could be scum together), and Kalimar.

^that was Sakura's reads list.

PEd:
SSK: 0% Town / 100% Scum
geists 20% town / 80% Scum
KA 35% Town / 75% Scum
Slimer: 40% Town / 60% Scum.
Everyone else at 50/50 here. However if KA is scum Mac is 100% town.
Bert: 65% Town / 45% Scum
Cabd 80% Town / 20% Scum.

So Sakura would vote her scumbuddy pretty much twice (once on D1, another time on D2, then proclaim him/her the scummiest of all.

Marquis, you copping slimer doesn't match up with your play so far, whereas SSK was convinced to track Marquis. I guess maybe as scum you don't kill the tracker in case he's protected? Still weird though.

And then her comment "if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" is ODD.

(1) It is entirely possible that Sakura put those in her list as she did since she knew she'd likely be lynched. It's most likely a meta thing, but I can say for sure that at least one of those is scum.

(2) The fact that SSK "was convinced" to track me doesn't mean they're town. Not even close. That's plain appeasement that scum needs to do to survive a day. I'm cop and I'm investigating who I want, and by the time thread was locked after the hammer and that post, slimer was the most suspicious to me. (Well, technically SSK was the most suspicious to me since JK flipped mafia it was likely that the claimed tracker was bad, but that was something I didn't need to check to know.)

(3) "if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" Pure WIFOM to add on the "they wouldn't really think I said both my partners were scum"

EBWOP: I meant to say - So if SSK were scum, Sakura would have been tunneling her scumbuddy the whole game duration? Doesn't seem likely.

She tunneled Generic the whole time in the previous stuff I posted.

Wait what!?
Okay obviously bullshit. I know I've been inactive most of this game, but seriously, this game started nearly 2 weeks ago, minus the two separate night phases, and every time I look at this thread there's at minimum 300+ post for me to have to root through before I post.

The fact that you claimed 2-shot hider to live isn't something scum isn't capable. It's called planning. And you reclaiming cop is even more scumlike.

Such a gambit makes me really think that either scum has a second kill or they have plans for the other third party that they're using to win.
Furthermore edgeworth as a cop doesn't look legit anyway.
As an AA character who's only goal is to prove guilty on any opposing force, that makes me think you're claiming cop now so you can say later

"Oh lolz I was just playin I'm naive cop "

VOTE: Marquis
Get rid of this scum.

(1) Prosecutor Edgeworth could never be a cop, no. I mean, the second/third-most important character in the first 3 games? Totally a VT. That's a completely empty statement made by you and you're trying to ride SSK's fake result back to your QT and to victory.

(2) "Naive cop" I said I had an inno on Mac and a guilty on you. Next time you try to fabricate my "scum reasoning", think harder, please.

Sakura putting both scumbuddies in her reads list would be odd

Ssk was her top scumread; Slimer was also in there.

Someone hammer the liar.

"if KA is scum, Mac is 100% town" is also another odd and totally scum-fabricated thing she did.

[Marquis]

I'm Cop.
I cleaned Mac.
You cleaned KA.
You cleaning KA can't possibly be scum unless it's an SK gambit combined with "there were better nightkill choices".

Sakura, Slimer, SSK. That's probably mafia. If none of them flip scum vig/extrakill and the game isn't over by the time we lynch SSK (if there is a mafia vig it'd be Slimer since Sakura's JK claim was legit in the way of power), we lynch Kalimar for SK.

Of course there's the possibility of Mafia/WW 2+2 and that SSK possibly extended a hand to the other faction to avoid crossfire. But that would be too overpowered imo.

[Marquis]

/phone post

Ssk revealed himself in a massclaim...yesterday, not today

I meant he revealed himself as absolutely 100% scum today. Tracker was yesterday.

[Bert]

Everyone was voting slimer for giggles at the end of D1.

Why not investigate her N1?

[Marquis]

As I said, I wasn't paying much attention due to my V/LA. I still thought pie was obvtown. I skimmed and investigated mac since I thought he wouldn't die and I wasn't sure with his alignment at all. If I noticed people were voting slimer "for giggles", I probably wouldn't have investigated anyway.

[Bert]

Dang it Nat you read SSK as town...looking through atm

If you see this, dude I hope you were right!!!