Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[Natirasha]

Do you think they are both scum?

COuld be, but I'm more confident in Nacho-scum than Levi-scum.

[AGar]

VOTE: Titus

Now that we know that Pie-SK was truefax, Titus' claim plus the missing scumkills seem too fucking weird to me.

D1 he kills during the day, N1 only one kill comes through.
N2 Pie shoots DV, no scumkill goes through (Pyro claims to eat a shot N2 though), no claim from Titus
N3 Pie shoots Wayne, Titus claims to kill Talah (Pyro is also conveniently blocked this night)
N4 Majiffy is shot. Titus claims no shot.

There's an awkward symmetry there that I don't like. Throw in Titus' awful justification for the Talah shot and general behavior and I'm completely high on this lynch.

[Natirasha]

What you think of Nacho, AGar?

I'm also down for a Titus lynch for what it's worth.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Titus

Now that we know that Pie-SK was truefax, Titus' claim plus the missing scumkills seem too fucking weird to me.

D1 he kills during the day, N1 only one kill comes through.
N2 Pie shoots DV, no scumkill goes through (Pyro claims to eat a shot N2 though), no claim from Titus
N3 Pie shoots Wayne, Titus claims to kill Talah (Pyro is also conveniently blocked this night)
N4 Majiffy is shot. Titus claims no shot.

There's an awkward symmetry there that I don't like. Throw in Titus' awful justification for the Talah shot and general behavior and I'm completely high on this lynch.

Let's table your Titus feelings.

Levi and Nacho feelings are all the rage at this point.

[PeregrineV]

Do you think they are both scum?

COuld be, but I'm more confident in Nacho-scum than Levi-scum.

I don't want to debate the source of the strength of your scumreads on each player at this point, but three reinforced bullet points for the "why" on each player (Levi & Nacho) would be appreciated.

[kanyeknowsbest]

yes, titus is still scum.

[Natirasha]

I don't want to debate the source of the strength of your scumreads on each player at this point, but three reinforced bullet points for the "why" on each player (Levi & Nacho) would be appreciated.

It comes down to them both being useless fucks, but where Levi has a meta excuse, Nacho really doesn't.

[PeregrineV]

yes, titus is still scum.

No, Levi and Nacho.

[PeregrineV]

I don't want to debate the source of the strength of your scumreads on each player at this point, but three reinforced bullet points for the "why" on each player (Levi & Nacho) would be appreciated.

It comes down to them both being useless fucks, but where Levi has a meta excuse, Nacho really doesn't.

Is this why they are scum?

[Natirasha]

It's why Nacho is scum, yes.

[Kdub]

Day 5 - Vote Count #7

kanyeknowsbest (0)

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Belisarius (0)

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AGar (0)

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PeregrineV (0)

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leviathan93 (4)

- Belisarius, PeregrineV, Titus, NachoKoopa

StefanB (0)

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Pyrotechnics (0)

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EspeciallyTheLies (0)

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NachoKoopa (4)

- kanyeknowsbest, Natirasha, Pyrotechnics, EspeciallyTheLies

Natirasha (0)

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Titus (1)

- AGar

No lynch (0)

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Not voting (2)

- StefanB, leviathan93

11 votes available
6 votes needed to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-12-16 22:11:04)

V/LA: EspeciallyTheLies (12/10), Belisarius (12/10), Titus (12/11)

[Belisarius]

Sorry, my V/LA took a day longer than I thought it would, but I'm back now.

It's looking like I'll have to claim to save Nacho. Do I really have to do that? I shouldn't have to do that.

Levi and Nacho aren't scum together. I have role-related information to back this up.

I've never played with the Koopa head of Nacho before, but the Nacho head fights a hell of a lot harder than this as scum

I still haven't seen a cogent argument for Nacho-as-scum

I'm pretty confident that scumNacho would have shot Nati by now unless they were scum together, and I don't think Nati is scum based on the synergy between my flavour and Nati's.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Now that we know that Pie-SK was truefax, Titus' claim plus the missing scumkills seem too fucking weird to me.

D1 he kills during the day, N1 only one kill comes through.
N2 Pie shoots DV, no scumkill goes through (Pyro claims to eat a shot N2 though), no claim from Titus
N3 Pie shoots Wayne, Titus claims to kill Talah (Pyro is also conveniently blocked this night)
N4 Majiffy is shot. Titus claims no shot.

There's an awkward symmetry there that I don't like. Throw in Titus' awful justification for the Talah shot and general behavior and I'm completely high on this lynch.

Funny how you keep silent at until now, when Levi and Nacho have votes on them.

You claim my justification was weak, why not attack me then?

Beli, if you have role related information that suggests one of the two major trains is not scum, you should reveal it. Getting into gridlock again serves no one.

Can anyone give me a decent reason for town kanye? When he goes to the mat to save the SK?

My justifications were fine. Everyone had a good idea of who I would shoot before shooting them.

As for you Nati, why were you purporting to know why ETL changed trains when his vote was naked?

[PeregrineV]

Sorry, no time at work today, will have to try later from home.

[Natirasha]

Why is defending the SK scummy? Pyro, Kanye and I have all defended pie at some point in the game, pretty hard.

Beli, I trust you, but can you elaborate on the Levi/Nacho thing at all?

[Titus]

It is not just the fact he defended the SK, but how he did it and he fueled the division amongst the group. I am not asking for even evidence to prove Kanye town. His actions seemed solely to serve scum. Get the SK to out and then defend him effectively ups the kpn to 2 per night, before my vig shots. He wasn't leading the charge on leashing. I don't see any reason to keep Kayne. Yet, he will be hard to lynch. Perfect vig.

[Natirasha]

I legit don't know what you're going on about.

[kanyeknowsbest]

It is not just the fact he defended the SK, but how he did it and he fueled the division amongst the group. I am not asking for even evidence to prove Kanye town. His actions seemed solely to serve scum. Get the SK to out and then defend him effectively ups the kpn to 2 per night, before my vig shots. He wasn't leading the charge on leashing. I don't see any reason to keep Kayne. Yet, he will be hard to lynch. Perfect vig.

your retarded.

[Belisarius]

Beli, I trust you

but can you elaborate on the Levi/Nacho thing at all?

I have knowledge on Nacho that a scumbuddy would definitely be aware of, but Levi has demonstrated a lack of that knowledge; Either could be scum, but not together.

[Belisarius]

PEDIT: God damn quote tags.

@Mod: Would you be so good as to fix that last quote?

Fixed

[Belisarius]

for fuck's sake I give up

[Natirasha]

Alright. Can I convince you to vote Nacho at all?

[Belisarius]

Not without a better reason than, uh...nothing? The only "case" I'm seeing on Nacho is that they're not scumhunting as hard as people expect from the Nacho head. I'm in such a slump right now that I've dialed down my participation to one game, but I was in three when I realised that shit wasn't clicking like usual. There's no reason the same thing couldn't happen to Nacho. Nacho is not supernatural, neither is Feirei, and Burden of Proficiency is harseshit.

Levi's mook suit claim, conversely, is worse than a scorching case of syphilis. It yearns for rope.

[Natirasha]

Not without a better reason than, uh...nothing? The only "case" I'm seeing on Nacho is that they're not scumhunting as hard as people expect from the Nacho head. I'm in such a slump right now that I've dialed down my participation to one game, but I was in three when I realised that shit wasn't clicking like usual. There's no reason the same thing couldn't happen to Nacho. Nacho is not supernatural, neither is Feirei, and Burden of Proficiency is harseshit.

Levi's mook suit claim, conversely, is worse than a scorching case of syphilis. It yearns for rope.

Levi's mook suit appeared to be a misreading of his role PM--I think, at least.

Burden of Proficiency has a little bearing, I'd argue, but I'm fine with your position. My more point is that if you look at the two wagons--well, Levi's wagon is pretty much everyone I suspect and yourself, while the Nacho wagon consists of my two strong townreads(kanye, Pyro) and the more favorable neighbor(EtL).

I'm willing to meet you halfway at Titus, if you so wish.

[Titus]

I legit don't know what you're going on about.

I will try again. Kanye convinces SKPie to reveal. Rallies against a lynch of the sk and causes drama with those attempting to lynch Pie (Majiffy).Basically, Kanye's play has mirrored that of a scumbuddy. His votes from my recollection. He only voted Pie when it was clear no other lynch happened. Now, he isn't giving content. If no one gives me a reason he is town I will vig him.

Why can't you just tell me why Kanye is a townread?
Why compromise when your wagon is leading?

Your wagon group sucks.