Micro 276 Peek a Boo! Mafia GAME OVER

[Natirasha]

Hmm I see what you're saying I think. There might be some setups in the bottom/top %. I'm not a mathy type though.

VOTE: Wake

Sorry bro.

[MafiaSSK]

Vote Count 2

Wisdom (0)

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Natirasha (0)

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uctriton00 (0)

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Ganondorf/Potentially Wake88 (4)

: EspeciallyTheLies, Jingle, Majiffy, Natirasha

Majiffy (0)

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Who (0)

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Jingle (0)

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EspeciallyTheLies (0)

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Om of the Nom (0)

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Deadline is 14 days away.
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and so because of this, Ganondorf/Maybe Wake88 is at L-1.

[Wake1]

Well, for some reason I'm at L-1.

Lemme go check my role PM please.

[MafiaSSK]

Ganondorf, now known as Wake88, has read his role PM!

[Wake1]

It says I'm Town Miller, and that a Cop will receive a "guilty" result upon investigating me.

What do you think we should do guys?

[Natirasha]

I believe him.

[Jingle]

But do you think you are likely to want him to stay around? Are you scum Nati?

In other news, I think that the 'likely partner' is probably the previous person in the alignment rolling order. I also believe that people are more likely to have lied about their town likeliness the later they claimed, so there's another order I would be fine with using to find lynchbait.

I'm not moving my vote, because Millers with no utility are a liability, and Wake read his role PM thus ruining my fun. Thoughts?

[Jingle]

Also that makes it likely someone's gonna be a cop, so that's cool.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I can't believe a word that Wake says ever.

Jingle, I'm lynching today based on use to me. That's the only thing I have that can give me any constructive direction today, and will keep people around that I want around who can still be helpful in later days. Tonight, I plan to go wild and throw a bunch of actions into a PM and see what falls out. I am hoping other people will do the same thing, and maybe tomorrow we will have some results to talk about without having to read our role PMs.

[Jingle]

Odds that our results will be in the new role PMs?

[Wake1]

We have two weeks left.

[Jingle]

Also, you a liar ETL. Wake was totally an even night vig in your normal game, and everyone believed that.

New lynch order by-the-by:

Jingle
EspeciallyTheLies
Majiffy

Haven't played with:
Who- I expect fun.
Wisdom- I have read some of his games.
Natirasha
Om of the Nom
uctriton00

Have played with:
Wake88- Claimed miller.

PEdit: Why wait 2 weeks? I wanna be all-powerful now...

[EspeciallyTheLies]

You don't get results in a role PM. You get results in a results PM.

But not just results. Protective roles too, since I'm sure people be trying to shoot people.

Actually, that brings up an interesting question, regarding factional kills, since there's 2 mafia. Are we even going to see one since the faction can't speak with each other to decide on a single target? And furthermore, how reliable would blocking type roles be if there isn't one, as far as determining what happened?

p-edit: Two weeks to talk about....... what? We have even less information than we normally would in a normal game. The scum don't even know who they are. Exactly what are you expecting to gain from today more than what we already have, which is the percentages and the possible partners? Our info is going to come from night actions and your lynch.

p-edit 2: I don't understand your lynch order. How does me saying that I can't trust Wake make me a liar?

[Jingle]

I can't believe a word that Wake says ever.

I want you dead second least. Also you have believed things he's said in the past. I'm being anal retentive right now because I've got like five minutes until I can close the store and go home.

PEdit: Goddammit, the clock I was reading was wrong. Freedom!

[Wake1]

ETL, you wanting to lynch me because you distrust me/my role is uesless is bad Townplay, because you're willing to lynch a claimed Town PR. Not a great PR, but a PR nonetheless. Look at what's happened during Saturady so far. Do you really think nothing else can come up in 2 weeks?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

First of all, Jingle, he has a notorious reputation site-wide for making strange claims and being a wild player. He's not someone I want around come Day 3/4. Of the playerlist, he's the last. So, why do you want to lynch me second when I know about as much as my alignment and role as you do?

Secondly, Wake, are you seriously trying to pull that shit? Bad town play, are you fucking kidding me?

I want people around that give me confidence in their reads. Wake, you do not do that. I do not trust you to have better reads than the other people on the list. It's really as simple as that. I'm also not the one who said your role was useless, but you are certainly no "PR".

And last, "what happened during Saturday so far".... um... all the possible information that we can have without reading the role PMs has been shared.

Do I want more information? Hell yes. Am I going to get it by talking to people who have no more information than I do? Hell no.

[Jingle]

Wake, you are literally the only person who's read his role PM. You got an anti-town role, or are lying about it. I'd be willing to lynch off of the assumption your claim is true.

Also, ETL, I think I understand your confusion. The list goes from I don't want to lynch to Wake. Sorry bout that.

PEdit: dammit, I just answered that.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Lynching people based on who is more trustworthy, IN THIS GAME, TODAY, is the best possible strategy there is. Absofuckinglutely.

And

even more than that

, the fact that you read your role PM and are now trying to protect yourself by OMGUSing me is fucking hilarious and very telling. I don't give a shit about your "PR". You are useless to me and I'm going to agree with Jingle and say, yes, your claimed role is fucking useless.

Lynching anyone else risks hitting a real PR. This is the best possible choice for today.

[Natirasha]

I agree that this is not a setup to let a miller live. Maybe. I dunno.

I don't think Wake could fake miller with the timestamps the way they were. For all his wackiness, I don't think he can play Speed Chess like that.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Whether it's fake or not is the least of the issue. By reading his role PM, he's pretty much sealed the deal on his lynch because we KNOW what he says he is. We know he hasn't said he's a vig or a jk or a cop or anything like that. So lynching him keeps us in a good position.

[Wake1]

SSK, you sure Scum don't know they're Scum yet?

[Om of the Nom]

I really want to just check my role PM right now but I know that to myself I'm almost guaranteed to be town so if I do and I end up being scum I will laugh so hard.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

SSK, you sure Scum don't know they're Scum yet?

I think one of them does.

[Who]

Majiffy: 34, ETL
Natirasha: 35, Jingle
Jingle: 43, Wisdom
Wake: 49, Om - Read and claimed Miller
Wisdom: 72, Who
ETL: 73, uctriton00
Who: 84, Wake
Uctriton00: 85, Natirasha
Om: 99, Majiffy

I see no reason not to lynch Wake. If he's lying then yay we just lynched scum, and if he's telling the truth and we lynch someone else then we still have one miller who will gain no more powers, no info as to our lynch target, and if we lynch wrong (Which we probably will, given how we have no information other than the above numbers) we lynch someone who had the potential to gain a more powerful PR.

Wake, Miller being PR stretches the definition of "PR". We'd be better off if you were a vanilla townie. We will all be PRs if we wait long enough by the definition of the game, for all we know we all start as millers or similarly disadvantaged people and rise to VTness and then to PRness.

So, to summarize:
If we lynch Wake we lose no PRs nor PR-potential.
If we lynch Wake we will have no miller-mistrust.
If we do not lynch Wake we will have no reason to see any lynch as significantly better than any other.
Wake is saying he should not be lynched because he's a PR.
Wake is OMGUSing people.

Intent to hammer.

[Wake1]

SSK, I'm replacing out of this game. ETL has sucked all of the fun out of it for me with her bad attitude and immaturity. I don't want this game on my record with this kind of bunk going on.