Micro 273: There is Trouble in Paradise (Game Over)

Kagami · Post Post #425 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:13 pm

for me, it's mostly PoE.

I think you, kaze, delta are town.
I was townreading YKV (must review)

I don't really feel like wisdom is scum, but meh.

I think that at least one scum is among the rest, and decent odds that both are. I feel slightly townish about jason, and kat already has some votes her way coming from probable town.

Kagami · Post Post #426 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:14 pm

No, doesn't work at all for PRs, no one has enough games for that.

PhDScar · Post Post #427 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:17 pm

In post 424, YellowKingValley wrote:Kagami, does your metastats work for town PR hunting?

This post hurt my brain on so many levels.

YellowKingValley · Post Post #428 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:25 pm

In post 427, PhDScar wrote:
In post 424, YellowKingValley wrote:Kagami, does your metastats work for town PR hunting?
This post hurt my brain on so many levels.

Good then. But I don't feel like explaining to relieve your pain.

JasonWazza · Post Post #429 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:26 pm

In post 422, YellowKingValley wrote:He's lurking.

Fuck this quit the misrepping.

UNVOTE: Kagami
VOTE: YKV

Kagami · Post Post #430 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:29 pm

Not really relevant, so spoiling

Spoiler: metaputer

YellowKingValley · Post Post #431 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:33 pm

In post 429, JasonWazza wrote:Fuck this quit the misrepping.

You're just angry because I can easily see through your actions.

1) Your post count is terrible.
2) Content from you is abysmal.
3) You did not commit to anything.

Deltabacon · Post Post #432 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:34 pm

Moan all you want, YKV. The questions would have produced nothing you can't deduce for yourself. You seem determined to falsely represent everything that players you have as leaning scum say in order to fit your reads, not the other way round. As it happens, I forgot about your questions, but hey I'm refusing to answer them on the grounds that you're putting words in my mouth.

Tempted to sheep Jason in voting for YKV, but I still don't see why Kaze is town to so many.

YellowKingValley · Post Post #433 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:40 pm

In post 432, Deltabacon wrote:Moan all you want, YKV. The questions would have produced nothing you can't deduce for yourself.

I might deduce wrongly, and misunderstood your posts.

In post 432, Deltabacon wrote:You seem determined to falsely represent everything that players you have as leaning scum say in order to fit your reads, not the other way round.

I call tosh. Unless you can give examples, you're discrediting me.

In post 432, Deltabacon wrote:As it happens, I forgot about your questions, but hey I'm refusing to answer them on the grounds that you're putting words in my mouth.

Previously forgot. Now refusing to answer. I'll let others make their own conclusions.

JasonWazza · Post Post #434 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:04 pm

In post 431, YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 429, JasonWazza wrote:Fuck this quit the misrepping.
You're just angry because I can easily see through your actions.

1) Your post count is terrible.
2) Content from you is abysmal.
3) You did not commit to anything.

1) woopdeefuckingdoo Post count means nothing
2) I've put out the content that need's to be put out
3) I PUT OUT A READS LIST YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT.

JasonWazza · Post Post #435 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:05 pm

This wagon needs to happen people.

YellowKingValley · Post Post #436 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:10 pm

In post 434, JasonWazza wrote:1) woopdeefuckingdoo Post count means nothing
2) I've put out the content that need's to be put out
3) I PUT OUT A READS LIST YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT.

1) Not when your content suck too.
2) Why shouldn't the rest be put out? Such actions promote lurkfest and apathy.
3) A reads list which yourself do not believe in, as shown in your actions.

JasonWazza · Post Post #437 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:11 pm

I DO BELIEVE IN IT YOU DUMBASS

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Kazekirimaru · Post Post #438 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:12 pm

In post 407, YellowKingValley wrote:Delta called our accusations bullshit while trying to avoid clarifying why it's bullshit. Typical scum behaviour.

Kaze I'm disappointed with you...

It's a losing battle, YKV. Now's the time for compromise.

In post 413, Kagami wrote:I think wisdom is probably correct that scum would have claimed PR, unless he had reason to believe the hammer wouldn't come after claiming vanilla. That assurance would only exist if the proposed hammerer were scum with him.

This is a WIFOMsnowball, miss.

It also doesn't discount Wisdom from being scum.

In post 422, YellowKingValley wrote: Yeah. Kat wagon is a bad idea. Try Jason. He's lurking. And not putting effort. Else just extract blood from Delta.

Losing battles.

In post 429, JasonWazza wrote:
Fuck this quit the misrepping.

UNVOTE: Kagami
VOTE: YKV

Don't let The Mads™ cloud your judgement, Jason.

In post 430, Kagami wrote:Not really relevant, so spoiling

Spoiler: metaputer
since it's come up a few times: status update

I'm still working on it, but the current status of my meta-analysis program is that it needs work.

Firstly, it fails to find the alignment of players in about a quarter of all games, so those have to be thrown out. I'll get this fixed soon.
Secondly, it's using a fairly simple model right now until I get the kinks worked out that hurt its accuracy.

I just ran it a minute ago on wisdom's meta, for which it doesn't do too badly. It crossvalidates at 75% accuracy (i.e. if given all but one game to learn from, it can use that information to predict his alignment correctly 75% of the time). Chance here is 50% since I don't include the prior that being town is more likely. This is ok, but not stellar.
On Jason, however, it fails miserably. It performs at chance. I'm trying to figure out where the weakness lies here, but my impression is that it overfit heavily for him.

tl;dr: Having worked on this for only about half an hour per day for a week or two, I have not yet solved mafia.

Super disappointed in your lack of progress. I mean, my goodness, a fortnight has passed and you haven't broke the game yet? Shame.

In post 435, JasonWazza wrote:This wagon needs to happen people.

Yeah, not likely.

Kazekirimaru · Post Post #439 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:13 pm

Hang Kat, investigate Delta and whomever else, win game. Sounds fine to me.

Deltabacon · Post Post #440 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:20 pm

YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 432, Deltabacon wrote:You seem determined to falsely represent everything that players you have as leaning scum say in order to fit your reads, not the other way round.
I call tosh. Unless you can give examples,
you're
discrediting
me
.

Ahahaha, purely because that was such a good giggle, here you go!

Spoiler:

All of the above, as well as:

In post 259, YellowKingValley wrote:Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

I think Jason is intentionally lurking.

In post 329, YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 311, Deltabacon wrote:You'll see more of me!
When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

@Kaze, perhaps I should say great players?

Spoiler: This misrep, I like a lot:

In post 407, YellowKingValley wrote:
Delta called our accusations bullshit
while trying to avoid clarifying why it's bullshit. Typical scum behaviour.

Kaze I'm disappointed with you...

In post 408, YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 402, Deltabacon wrote:He could have probably produced and bullshitted an argument that would have seen me lynched, but can't be bothered or can't find reasoning.
What can we do if you
intentionally lurked
to avoid answering our questions? And now it's our fault?

Kazekirimaru · Post Post #441 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:25 pm

I don't think expecting you to follow through with your "incoming in 5 hours" bit qualifies as discrediting.

Deltabacon · Post Post #442 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:22 pm

Saying that I promised to answer questions that I wasn't aware of and didn't make any mention of does though.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #443 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:44 pm

Alright I've decided

Unvote

vote YKV

Jason is mad town tunneling a suspect. One that after I read back had the scummiest tone.
Kaze was on same boat as YKV except my gut read made me lean towards him, giving YKV some space to breathe.
Wisdom likely to be VI.
Kagami seems townish.
Delta wagon was bad to begin with, people played his inactivity too much and theorized without him being able to defend early points.
PhD likely partner for YKV.
Kat is the cutest.

JasonWazza · Post Post #444 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:44 pm

In post 438, Kazekirimaru wrote: Don't let The Mads™ cloud your judgement, Jason.

Too damn fucking late.

JasonWazza · Post Post #445 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:46 pm

In post 443, Katarina LeBlanc wrote: Jason is mad town tunneling a suspect. One that after I read back had the scummiest tone.
Kagami seems townish.

.................

YellowKingValley · Post Post #446 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:46 pm

In post 432, Deltabacon wrote:As it happens,
I forgot about your questions
, but hey I'm refusing to answer them on the grounds that you're putting words in my mouth.

Tempted to sheep Jason in voting for YKV, but I still don't see why Kaze is town to so many.

In post 442, Deltabacon wrote:Saying that I promised to answer questions that
I wasn't aware of
and didn't make any mention of does though.

Yeah right. Does it mean you either read too much into what others say or never read at all...

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #447 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:53 pm

My post will be bad because I'm on Android but here goes.

Delta wagon started c.o of PhD and Kaze. YKV chimed in and sheeped Kaze at both points. Pushed for Delta hammer on Wisdom. Naturally Wisdom won't hammer, so YKV can focus on him because Wisdom pushed too hard without voting. If he did hammer, Kaze was better target over him.

YKV is just echoing whoever while staying behind them. Was on Delta wagon then now against it with me. Either way the lynch goes he had the most to benefit. Even bringing up WIFOM at one point in the game to excuse himself of sheeping. " scum only sheep because of x reasons "

I believe he should be lynched today. Sorry for bad engrish

Kazekirimaru · Post Post #448 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:00 pm

The streets are awash with inconsistencies tonight.

YellowKingValley · Post Post #449 (ISO) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:09 pm

In post 440, Deltabacon wrote:
YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 432, Deltabacon wrote:You seem determined to falsely represent everything that players you have as leaning scum say in order to fit your reads, not the other way round.
I call tosh. Unless you can give examples,
you're
discrediting
me
.
Ahahaha, purely because that was such a good giggle, here you go!

Spoiler:
In post 67, YellowKingValley wrote:
JasonWazza is in cahoots with Deltabacon. Here's my story:

In post 14, Deltabacon wrote:VOTE: JasonWazza Long time no see!

Translation: Hi scumbuddy!

In post 20, JasonWazza wrote:
VOTE: Citizen M

Avoiding all them wagonable chances.

Also i'm glad i'm popular amongst you all <3

Translation: Ugh oh. My wagon is going too fast. Help!

In post 30, PhDScar wrote:VOTE: Wisdom After playing one game with him as scum I no his meta backwards and forewords. This is scum Wisdom.

Translation: Hi, I am a tasty scumbait! I look stupid and don't know how to spell properly.

In post 31, Deltabacon wrote:What a nice, general statement you have there. Care to elaborate further? It's just that 1) I hate meta as a scumhunting tactic and 2) I fail to see how one game entitles you to make such an outlandish claim.

I may need some convincing. Until then;

UNVOTE: JasonWazza,
VOTE: PhDscar

Translation: An excuse to change vote at last!

In post 32, PhDScar wrote:@Deltabacon as scum he posts. What is doing now? Posting.

Translation: I give nonsense answers.

In post 33, Deltabacon wrote:That's weak.

Translation: Your nonsense answer is weak...

In post 37, Deltabacon wrote:Because he's tried rather hard to pose it as a serious vote with piss-poor reasoning.

Are you complaining that I'm taking things seriously?

Translation: Time to misrep and put him in bad light.

In post 40, Deltabacon wrote:If he didn't, then why did he reply in a serious fashion?

If you want me to revert back to RVS, let me know.

Translation: You didn't appreciate my effort. Attempt to be town leader failed. I'll act sad and hurt.

JasonWazza wrote:...

(hides)

For #67 that's how I intepreted your behaviour, thus my vote.

In post 440, Deltabacon wrote: All of the above, as well as:

In post 259, YellowKingValley wrote:Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

I think Jason is intentionally lurking.

How is my #259 misrep when you are not posting and avoided answering questions when posting?

In post 440, Deltabacon wrote:
In post 329, YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 311, Deltabacon wrote:You'll see more of me!
When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

@Kaze, perhaps I should say great players?

How is my #329 misrep when you didn't reply at all and ignored my questions for the second time?

In post 440, Deltabacon wrote:
Spoiler: This misrep, I like a lot:
In post 405, YellowKingValley wrote:Delta is conveniently ignoring our questions. He
says he will answer it 5 hours after he last post
but he never did. When he did post he attacked others instead of answering first.

Besides, if he is scum, not claiming PR fits well with his thought process. Scum who lurks while being pressured. Scum who is too afraid to claim PR. I refuse to vote anyone else.

In post 313, Deltabacon wrote:Incoming in maybe 5 hours. Watch this space.
At no point did I mention his questions, so this was an outright lie to try and push his target.

So for #313 and #405, did you EVEN post after 5 hours? No, you didn't. Did you answer my questions? No, you didn't. What part is misrep again?

In post 440, Deltabacon wrote:
In post 407, YellowKingValley wrote:
Delta called our accusations bullshit
while trying to avoid clarifying why it's bullshit. Typical scum behaviour.

Kaze I'm disappointed with you...

Actually is this, my fault for not quoting

In post 372, Deltabacon wrote:given that you can't be arsed to back up your vote with anything resembling a reason?

In post 440, Deltabacon wrote:
In post 408, YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 402, Deltabacon wrote:He could have probably produced and bullshitted an argument that would have seen me lynched, but can't be bothered or can't find reasoning.
What can we do if you
intentionally lurked
to avoid answering our questions? And now it's our fault?

If not then what. You seem to appear only when it's convenient, when pressure on you is the weakest.