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[Majiffy]

Also I've given arguments for why picking up the PM if you suspect you are scum can be considered a good move despite the end of bonuses.

Picking up the role PM isn't alignment-indicative, so saying that they'll be drawing everyone's suspicion is silly.

[Wisdom]

But what if he picked up his PM and

WAS SCUM ANYWAY?

Why do you ignore this possibility?

I do not rule that out, but I find this the least likely scenario unlike you and ETL for some reason do.

[Om of the Nom]

You still have no argument against Om being the killer.

Is there even an argument for me being the killer?

[Wisdom]

Also I've given arguments for why picking up the PM if you suspect you are scum can be considered a good move despite the end of bonuses.

Okay. I do not agree with your arguments.

Picking up the role PM isn't alignment-indicative, so saying that they'll be drawing everyone's suspicion is silly.

Do you disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he did that? Would anyone care about him had he not read his role PM?

[Majiffy]

Ok well whatever you say Wisdom.

I guess if we're just going to argue over opinions there's no point in playing. I'm going to the bar now.

[Wisdom]

You still have no argument against Om being the killer.

Is there even an argument for me being the killer?

Majiffy's (and ETL's, I think) argument is that you are more likely to be the killer because you read your role PM. They don't think someone attempting to shoot someone in the assumption they might be scum is that likely.

[Majiffy]

You still have no argument against Om being the killer.

Is there even an argument for me being the killer?

We (ETL and I) don't think it's likely scum was just blindly shooting instead of playing pro-town, which means scum probably knew they were scum before the night ended. Which would leave just you, having picked up your role PM.

Do you disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he did that? Would anyone care about him had he not read his role PM?

I do disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he picked up his role PM. I think the reason everyone's attention is on him is because of his lack of a night action, his Neighbor claim which is not alignment indicative either way, and the happening of a night kill on a dead vig.

[Om of the Nom]

I'm just mad that nobody is crediting me for correctly predicting the fact that potentially fatal night actions would be used against me (which is why I read my role PM in the first place).

[Majiffy]

For example; had there been no kill, and he had claimed something like gunsmith, he probably wouldn't have anyone looking at him.

[Majiffy]

I'm just mad that nobody is crediting me for correctly predicting the fact that potentially fatal night actions would be used against me (which is why I read my role PM in the first place).

I don't understand your circular logic.

Night actions point to the person who knew their alignment -> I picked up my role PM to stop night actions from pointing at me

??

[Om of the Nom]

You still have no argument against Om being the killer.

Is there even an argument for me being the killer?

We (ETL and I) don't think it's likely scum was just blindly shooting instead of playing pro-town, which means scum probably knew they were scum before the night ended. Which would leave just you, having picked up your role PM.

You don't think it's likely but Jingle did exactly the same thing except they weren't successful.

PEDIT: No I didn't want to die without having used a potentially good PR that may have been in my posession. I didn't want to take a shot in the dark and end up failing big time, I wanted to know for sure what I was so that I could use it to the best of my ability before I died.

[Wisdom]

I do disagree that everyone's attention is on Om because he picked up his role PM. I think the reason everyone's attention is on him is because of his lack of a night action, his Neighbor claim which is not alignment indicative either way, and the happening of a night kill on a dead vig.

Would he claim neighbor/no action had he not read his role PM?

[Wisdom]

I thought uctriton is more likely than ETL because of the way ETL claimed her investigation. She quoted uctriton's "I investigated Wisdom" and said "me too", that doesn't look like the way the liar would fakeclaim. I mean, they are already blending in with the investigators, doing it this blatantly is just too much. While uctriton's "lol I also did an investigation (what a surprise!), on Wisdom" looks a lot more like something that might be faked.

Om? Do you disagree with this?

[Om of the Nom]

I see your point but I can't forget my gut reads entirely so I'm still weary.

[Wisdom]

What exactly is it that makes your gut think it's ETL? Played with her before?

[Om of the Nom]

Idk exactly what it is but it's going off big time. No I haven't afaik.

[Wisdom]

Well, having played with her, I think her going all illogical and arguing with me like this probably means she is town. Not completely sure she couldn't pull it off as scum, but I don't think so.
And same goes for Majiffy, only in his case I could see him pulling it off as scum much more easily.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Scumhunting is about finding the differences in people's play. While everyone may have a different playstyle, the difference is motivation. In this setup, we don't have that. You can't argue about a person's motivation until after they have the opportunity to even have that motivation.

The person with motivation is the one who shot successfully.

Om, for you to say that you think I am lying "because gut" is as bad as if I tried to lynch you yesterday "because gut". I didn't because there was no other evidence to support my gut. Today, we have evidence and I believe it fits you.

[Wisdom]

Given he is arguing he thinks you are the shooter/liar, I don't understand how that's relevant.

[uctriton00]

I'm not going to read all that entirety of posting

Wisdom, do you have a lot of free time or something? Because damn dude.

[Wisdom]

This is nothing, believe me.

[Natirasha]

Ugh.

[Om of the Nom]

Om, for you to say that you think I am lying "because gut" is as bad as if I tried to lynch you yesterday "because gut". I didn't because there was no other evidence to support my gut. Today, we have evidence and I believe it fits you.

There's a reason I'm not campaigning for your lynch though, because I really don't feel too strongly about anything to really make a massive move.
The only thing that I know for sure is that I'm town. I can't really scumhunt properly when nobody else knows their alignment except for whoever shot Who.

There really is no evidence at all. You're all making it up. Each situation being presented is pretty much just as plausible as the others (from your PoV, from mine Wisdom is obviously right). It's just a matter of which ones you choose to believe. That's why I'm not trying to defend myself. I'm not going to waste my breath on something I can't defend against because if there's nothing solid to defend against I can't really give solid reasons.

This is what I was going to post at 3AM last night right before the site went down.

@Mod: I think a deadline pause might be in order due to the large amounts of downtime as of late.

[MafiaSSK]

@Mod What happens if two scum submit two different night kills? How do you determine prevalence?

Turns out, it helps to put the closing part of a format tag in.

Just as if two different members submitted two different kills in a QT, the latter action will be the one that is given prevalence.

@Mod: I think a deadline pause might be in order due to the large amounts of downtime as of late.

Due to site circumstances, I will allow for a two day extension of the deadline.

[Jingle]

Jiffy- the way I see it everyone has two goals. First finding out their alignment and second fulfilling their wincon. I chose the way I did because of the former, not the latter. I now feel fairly confident that I am town. To that end, why are we lynching? The reason scumkills are more threatening than lynches are because they're directed. With Om the only one who knows his alignment, there are decent odds that scum-actions aren't directed. With Om the only one who knows his role, lynches are mostly undirected. A longer game gives us more utility, and with Town>Scum, I find that likely to mean town will benefit more from that.

VOTE: No Lynch

Thank you for assuming I'm stupid though.