Micro 274 OVER!

[Does Bo Know]

But Wake I don't understand the image.

Also I'm changing my mind

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RachMarie

Because reasons.

[goodmorning]

Curious as to why Aegor doesn't seem to have anything constructive to say after Jason didn't have anything constructive to say.

I am obviously unable to tell you why you feel that I have nothing constructive to say.

Hmmm.

Also curious as to why he seems to think Town cannot be good and also gambit, but less important.

Because now we have an outed Tracker when we could have had zero outed Trackers.

Wake didn't need to out

at all

.

So that's kind of a point that's moot insofar as Town gambits...

At any rate, less important.

I'm a Town Odd Night doctor. And I protected mastinas last night.

Obviously it failed.

I lied to Yates because I was thinking he was gambiting from the start. If he really wasn't, I would've outed my PR eventually. If he was, I claim VT, I don't draw a night kill, I get to use my action again (hopefully) N3. If he was scum, I wasn't going to give him the satisfaction of getting a PR to claim (unless, of course, it would mean life or death).

I didn't expect Wake to claim Tracker and to have tracked me, so now of course I have to fess up.

I am currently deciding whether I believe this.
I am looking up Strongman on the Wiki.
I am leaning towards not believing this.
I am considering intenting.
I am intenting.

[Wake1]

Does Bo Know

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What we have here is two liars. Yates and You. I'm far more than willing to lynch you than him today, based on my results.

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Conveniently, you're claiming Odd-Night Doctor, in a Micro game with a Town Tracker, who just happened to try to protect Mastinas.... but failed and Mastinas died. ...right. So, either you want me to believe that there are two players capable of killing at Night, or that a Scum Roleblocker/Town Jailkeeper blocked you, and the other murdered Mastinas.

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Hey, you never got around to telling me who you'd not vote for, Scum.

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You're not going to flip Town.

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Why exactly are you voting Peabody?

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It seems to me like a last-ditch attempt to put distance between you and your Scum partner before you die.

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And why was there such a delay on your part when I claimed my results? You had certainly been online for some time during that period.

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You know, Havingfitz in did something really similar in Mini 1516: Mafia in Space, (777), except he as Scum claimed to be an Odd-Night Vigilante.

[Does Bo Know]

To hammer?

Why are you only intenting if I already claimed?

Why are you only considering Strongman?

PEdit: Alright Wake I'll answer you in a sec.

[goodmorning]

To hammer?

Why are you only intenting if I already claimed?

Why are you only considering Strongman?

Yes.
To give people time to say whatever shit they want to say, and also in the hopes that Rach posts at some point soon.
Because I can't really think of any other reasons a Doc protect on a VT wouldn't work. If you have one I'm all ears.

[Does Bo Know]

Does Bo Know

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What we have here is two liars. Yates and You. I'm far more than willing to lynch you than him today, based on my results.

Not surprised. You have a track result on me, so it's even understandable.

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Conveniently, you're claiming Odd-Night Doctor, in a Micro game with a Town Tracker, who just happened to try to protect Mastinas.... but failed and Mastinas died. ...right. So, either you want me to believe that there are two players capable of killing at Night, or that a Scum Roleblocker/Town Jailkeeper blocked you, and the other murdered Mastinas.

I don't know. What I do know is that I did try to protect mastinas, since she was my biggest town read and I figured scum would go for them.

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Hey, you never got around to telling me who you'd not vote for, Scum.

Yes I did. After you asked me the second time, I said you'd be the least likely for me to vote. Would you still like me to say who I wouldn't vote when I gave you a convenient list earlier?

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You're not going to flip Town.

If I do flip, yes I will.

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Why exactly are you voting Peabody?

I'm running out of scum suspects, tbh. PoE and all that jazz.

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It seems to me like a last-ditch attempt to put distance between you and your Scum partner before you die.

Whatever you want, Wake. Whatever you want. Why aren't half of these questions? Seems kids redundant to put these in the Annihilator beam. I'd prefer you outline these types of observations in different posts unless you're specifically looking for reactions with these. Then I guess it's understandable.

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And why was there such a delay on your part when I claimed my results? You had certainly been online for some time during that period.

I wanted to wait for Yates to give any conclusions he had gotten from his gambit. Clearly he threw every conclusion at the window because of your claim. I was thinking he was gathering reactions from other players too and I wanted to see those. I actually saved my claim in a draft the moment I saw your claim, but still wanted to see what Yates thought.

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You know, Havingfitz in did something really similar in Mini 1516: Mafia in Space, (777), except he as Scum claimed to be an Odd-Night Vigilante.

Again, not a question so I don't know what to tell you.

[Does Bo Know]

Because I can't really think of any other reasons a Doc protect on a VT wouldn't work. If you have one I'm all ears.

Roleblocker. Jailkeeper.

Why isn't Strongman likely again? Lemme go check that Wiki.

[Does Bo Know]

Okay just read it. I agree a Strongman probably isn't as likely as the other two.

[Wake1]

Because I can't really think of any other reasons a Doc protect on a VT wouldn't work. If you have one I'm all ears.

Roleblocker. Jailkeeper.

Why isn't Strongman likely again? Lemme go check that Wiki.

Scum Jailkeeper?

[Yates]

You sure you weren't attempting to bus DBK to gain Towncred?

Obviously *I* am sure. The question is; how do I prove it? I guess the only thing I can say is that I put myself under a microscope for the rest of the game - which is where I wouldn't want to be as scum. Also, the fact there's only 1 dead Townie this morning points to likely 1 killing faction. The decision to bus your partner, assuming 2 scum and no SK, would be less ballsy and more stupid. Towncred isn't going to win this game for scum Yates.

Still believe in Peabody's crumb?

The IC? No. Never did, actually. That was a reaction test.

With DBK confirmed Scum on my end, you both can't be Scum. Thoughts?

Well, obviously I could still be bussing for Towncred I suppose. That said, I'd defer to Peabody's sentiment as someone that's played with me in the past. I look at tit this way; while I can't *prove* you are a Town Tracker, I can take the totality of the evidence presented in the game and feel pretty confident about it provided DBK flips scum. Likewise, I think you will be able to look at all of the evidence and see that I was clearly making a Town gambit.

I sort of remember your little 114. What do you make of it now that I'm uncountered Town Tracker?

Game state has changed, obviously. That said, I still would have been super pissed if you countered me right away this morning. Sometimes strong players can get in each others way during scum hunting. I felt like you were cock blocking and didn't know why. I think that was a legitimate concern. Assuming a DBK scum flip, I know what your motivation was so I just shrug it off for what it was with the information I had at the time.

...you did imply I was an SK in a Micro.

...while later implying I was setting up a Vig claim.

These are one in the same. Along with what's stated above, you were rubbing me the wrong way with your posturing. Plus, the whole lightning gloves thing was weird and is what made me think you might have a kill. If you read my response on this to Peabody, I think you'll see what I was thinking. Basically, if you killed me at that point I didn't want people to just assume you were a day vig - my way of forcing people to look at you from beyond the grave.

Do you have any games as Scum? I'd like that reading material, and I'm sure everyone else would, too.

Oh. It's a good read. I'd start with the Scummies 2013 Nomination Thread and go from there.

Who do you reckon DBK's partner is?

I haven't gotten that far. Maybe Aegor? I wouldn't rule out RM, either, but I haven't actually checked to see if she's site absent or ignoring the thread.

After me, who's your greatest Townread?

Probably Peabody, though it's also possible he knows how to play me.

Should I die tonight, it's probably safe to assume there's no Doc in this game. Counter?

Agreed. Anyone claiming Doc - or any other active protective role for that matter - after a N2 Wake kill may as well be claiming scum.

[Wake1]

Sometimes strong players can get in each others way during scum hunting.

Oh, well, now you're just flirting.

They'll lynch you Day 3.

[RachMarie]

I have not been lurking, I had no real net access peeps. (hence the V/LA) Seems my spirit sis Cat has measured net service and had run out of gigs. bleah. We will have unlimited net when we move up to the mountain in TN one way or another, we need it for not just play but for work.

Sitting in a hotel room in Atlanta GA and we fly back to CA on Monday morning, but I will try to do what I can with my games in the meantime.

Yates don't make me spank you grr

What is with all these claims?

I do believe the tracker claim, not so sure on the odd night doc one though.

Will look at VCA

[RachMarie]

Took me forever to post that ya all post too fast and hotel net is not the best ya know give a girl a chance

[goodmorning]

Also am thinking about common role types.
From the NAR, and thoughts about whether you would fakeclaim one of these as Scum:
Copy - unlikely, based on it not being common for Town or in games at all
Hide - would not target mastinas
Bus - would target more than just mastinas
Block - you as Scum would know that you as Town would have little reason to block them over someone like Peabody or even Yates
Redirect - see block
Protect - literally the only valid option
Miscellaneous - unlikely based on this game being normal
Kill - see block, with added bonus of "caught scum is caught, lies badly"
Recruit - not a cult game
Inspect - with 2 tracker claims out there, a giant nope

TL;DR
so if you were fakeclaiming as Scum...
Copy, Hide, Bus, Recruit = impossible
Misc, Inspect = very unlikely
Block, Redirect, Kill = unlikely
Protect = likely

not to say you can't be truthing Town, but...

P-EDIT @DBK:
With AP's modding style JK is unlikely in a Micro like this, and I don't think a Town RB would have blocked you over Peabody, Yates, or Rach or a Scum RB would have blocked you over Wake or Yates (if Yates is Town) or even myself.

I don't think Strongman is likely because I've made a few assumptions about the setup that would make Strongman a little OP.

@Yates:
I remember you in Rage. I remember.

I recall you replaced into a newbish slot.

I remember I read that newb as townier than you.

I feel slightly more comfortable now.

[Wake1]

We need one more vote on DBK.

[Does Bo Know]

Then it's a coincidence, I guess.

I do agree a Strongman would be OP.

[Yates]

I lied to Yates because I was thinking he was gambiting from the start.

Seems pretty risky for a doc... There's no reason for you to assume I'm gambiting at that point. And, why is it you think your protection didn't work, again?

They'll lynch you Day 3.

NOW who's flirting? What makes you think I'll live to see Day 3?

[Does Bo Know]

Yeah I kinda figured you were gambiting. (I don't curse that much regularly, lol)

I don't think a tracker that had tracked me to Mastinas would be dancing around the claim instead of flat-out claiming, knowing it was likely to get a scum lynched. So I played along and fakeclaimed VT to see what you would do, and hopefully conceal my role a little longer.

Question though, why did you pick me to do your gambit on in the first place?

I assume I was roleblocked or jailkept.

[Yates]

I remember I read that newb as townier than you.

If you're Town you don't need [or even WANT] a universal town read. If you become a universal town read as town you become a night target.

[Yates]

why did you pick me to do your gambit on in the first place?

You were the most suspicious person on the wagon. You basically rode an RVS vote through to a mislynch. Plus, I didn't like the amount of buddying you were doing. You buddied like 4 different players.

[Does Bo Know]

RVS? No. Loranth was scummy. The end. Even his reaction to his lynch was anti-town as hell. Scum with a VT Role PM.

I always get accused of buddying. Every damn game.

So did you assume I was scum when you made the gambit?

[Peabody]

DBK is obviously scum.

Yates is town. I was able to see his gambit because he played like it was a gambit. He didn't claim, yet he hinted results. The reason I felt it was safe to mention the possibility that it was a gambit is because DBK already reacted by claiming VT. I thought that was adequate.

Aegor is probably DBK's partner because:
1)

What the fuck are you talking about? By claiming that I or Peabody am/is his partner, you are also claiming that Yates is a psycho townie who is lying for...what reason, exactly? Because he simply had a hunch that DBK was scum? Because he is a cop trying to conceal himself?

Aegor believes Wake, but for some reason feels the need to argue with him? I see this as an OMGUS for finding his scum partner.

and

2)

Thanks for erecting a giant-ass straw man, though. Given that you are lynch-1 and both a fake Tracker and a real one saw you conducting a night action, maybe you should reconsider your VT claim.

This looks like partner coaching partner.

[Peabody]

I'm waiting for Rach to post within 2 hours.

If DBK is not lynched by then, I will hammer.

[Peabody]

But Wake I don't understand the image.

Also I'm changing my mind

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RachMarie

Because reasons.

There's nothing left to be secret 'reasons'. You claimed. The only information you may have that we don't is possibly from an ongoing game or something?

[Wake1]

You may as well vote already, Peabody. I'm not lying.