Micro 274 OVER!

[Peabody]

As I said before, Yates is town.

Rach's speculation about the setup makes me uneasy which makes me ask:
How many games have you played?

As far as Aegor goes, the frustration against Wake was apparent, but it didn't look like a townie being frustrated the tracker claimed.

GM, Can you please explain why you think RM is scum, especially because you said you have no scum reads?

Aegor:

We have WIFOM distancing from DBK in posts 374 and 375 toward Peabody and RM respectively.

I have nothing to say to that. I was wondering if he was WIFOMing me for tomorrow by trying to 'distance'.

Really not liking Peabody's post 104 for incredibly weak reasoning and defensiveness, his post 246 for apparent ignorance of buddying,

Lor was being incredibly inconsistant. I know what buddying is. I felt that Lor was buddying me because he was agreeing with me on things. I didn't use that as a main argument against him. I was more worried about him thinking I was scum while also agreeing with me...

his post 246 for apparent ignorance of buddying, and post 264 for preemptive defense against claims of framing which was completely unnecessary.

I already explained this.

GM summed up the reasons I mentioned earlier about Aegor's inconsistant frustration with Wake pretty well.

[Peabody]

Obviously my theory was proven false, but up until wake's NK I still internally admitted the possibility he was mafia.

I like this from Aegor. It does address my concern.

[goodmorning]

GM, Can you please explain why you think RM is scum, especially because you said you have no scum reads?

PoE, with an added dose of "hmm" at her RVS thing.

I still don't have any solid scumreads, just a couple solid townreads.

[Aegor]

I already explained this.

Your explanation is not what bothered me. The fact that you made the statement at all is.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 3.1

Not Voting: Aegor, Peabody, goodmorning, Yates, RachMarie

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch

@AP: Why was the night shortened?

Only by 2 hours. I was going to be away for a bit and having the update up on-time seemed like a novel idea for once.

[Yates]

I already explained this.

Your explanation is not what bothered me. The fact that you made the statement at all is.

I'm not following. What's this argument again?

[Aegor]

I already explained this.

Your explanation is not what bothered me. The fact that you made the statement at all is.

I'm not following. What's this argument again?

It is not really an argument. It just bothered me that Peabody went out of his way to comment that the NK was an attempt to frame him.

[Yates]

It just bothered me that Peabody went out of his way to comment that the NK was an attempt to frame him.

Oh right. I forgot about that...

[RachMarie]

Vote Count 1.4

Loranthaceae

(5)

- Does Bo Know

, goodmorning, Yates,

the 2 mastinas

,

wake88

Yates (2) - RachMarie,

Loranthaceae

Not Voting:

JasonWazza

Aegor, Peabody


Vote Count 2.1
RachMarie (1) -

Does Bo Know

Does Bo Know

(4) - Yates,

Wake88,

Aegor, Peabody
Not Voting: goodmorning, RachMarie


1st Lynch

On the wagon after taking off the greens and red

GM
Yates


Off the wagon after taking off greens n red

Rach

JasonWazza

Aegor
Peabody


2nd Lynch

On the wagon (after taking off colors)

Yates
Aegor
Peabody

Off the wagon
GM
Rach (who was V/LA at the time and unable to vote for anyone. Should have a V/NA category still surprises me that anyone in this day and age has measured net service 10 gigs a month??? I thought everyone had unlimited by now)


A couple of points for those who think there is a connection tween myself and DBK

1. I pick someone I know and have played with before and make a joke vote for RVS. DBK and Yates I have played with before.

2. Do you really THINK he would try to hard bus his buddy when it is clear he was going down?


Aegor I have played well over 50 games and I am an IC in the Newbie games. So yes I do setup speculation, VCA, ISO research, meta, anything that might help me find the scum.

[RachMarie]

BTW

Based on the VCA

there is one person who is off BOTH wagons

VOTE: Goodmorning

[Aegor]

@RM: Can you back up your vote with something other than VCA?

[RachMarie]

I think what you have against GM is okay considering what she has so far.

But what do you think of Loranth? Or at least what are you reading him as?

Vague agreement then switch over to another player This is classic scum behavior to keep the options open in case they need to bus a partner down the road, but not just yet hold off for a while and see if you can get someone else lynched.

I'd vote for Yates.
Then Peabody.

Then GM.

Then everyone else.

I did feel like the mastinas kill could've been used to frame Peabody, but his opening post was too fishy IMO. At this point I'd be WIFOMing the night kill to death to figure out whether Peabody wanted them dead or not, so I'm just gonna drop it.

See I am not tunneling not me... Bury her in names again giving me options to later bus.

Oh I thought I covered everyone.

You're my only townread right now.

So the order of people I would vote for, most likely to least likely, are:
- Yates
- Peabody

- goodmorning

- *lurkers*
- Wake88

Again with the bury GM (in the middle this time) and list some peeps in a lump category as lurkers. Yet in the end when things got hot n heavy he voted for me. and does not even mention me by name, had I been here I would have caught that in a heartbeat.

[RachMarie]

So, uh, are you role-claiming Tracker? That's stupid because we might not even have a Doctor. What the Hell were you thinking?

I'd like Wake to answer his own question at present, or at least lessen the apparent cognitive dissonance if possible.

I'd like Aegor to address my concerns in 347.

I had an impulse to quickhammer here, but I don't think that's a good idea since Rach hasn't posted yet.

hmm looks like trying to avoid hammering and shifting the blame....

Curious as to why Aegor doesn't seem to have anything constructive to say after Jason didn't have anything constructive to say.

I am obviously unable to tell you why you feel that I have nothing constructive to say.

Hmmm.

Also curious as to why he seems to think Town cannot be good and also gambit, but less important.

Because now we have an outed Tracker when we could have had zero outed Trackers.

Wake didn't need to out

at all

.

So that's kind of a point that's moot insofar as Town gambits...

At any rate, less important.

I'm a Town Odd Night doctor. And I protected mastinas last night.

Obviously it failed.

I lied to Yates because I was thinking he was gambiting from the start. If he really wasn't, I would've outed my PR eventually. If he was, I claim VT, I don't draw a night kill, I get to use my action again (hopefully) N3. If he was scum, I wasn't going to give him the satisfaction of getting a PR to claim (unless, of course, it would mean life or death).

I didn't expect Wake to claim Tracker and to have tracked me, so now of course I have to fess up.

I am currently deciding whether I believe this.
I am looking up Strongman on the Wiki.
I am leaning towards not believing this.
I am considering intenting.
I am intenting.

To hammer?

Why are you only intenting if I already claimed?

Why are you only considering Strongman?

Yes.
To give people time to say whatever shit they want to say, and also in the hopes that Rach posts at some point soon.
Because I can't really think of any other reasons a Doc protect on a VT wouldn't work. If you have one I'm all ears.

Also am thinking about common role types.
From the NAR, and thoughts about whether you would fakeclaim one of these as Scum:
Copy - unlikely, based on it not being common for Town or in games at all
Hide - would not target mastinas
Bus - would target more than just mastinas
Block - you as Scum would know that you as Town would have little reason to block them over someone like Peabody or even Yates
Redirect - see block
Protect - literally the only valid option
Miscellaneous - unlikely based on this game being normal
Kill - see block, with added bonus of "caught scum is caught, lies badly"
Recruit - not a cult game
Inspect - with 2 tracker claims out there, a giant nope

TL;DR
so if you were fakeclaiming as Scum...
Copy, Hide, Bus, Recruit = impossible
Misc, Inspect = very unlikely
Block, Redirect, Kill = unlikely
Protect = likely

not to say you can't be truthing Town, but...

P-EDIT @DBK:
With AP's modding style JK is unlikely in a Micro like this, and I don't think a Town RB would have blocked you over Peabody, Yates, or Rach or a Scum RB would have blocked you over Wake or Yates (if Yates is Town) or even myself.

I don't think Strongman is likely because I've made a few assumptions about the setup that would make Strongman a little OP.

@Yates:
I remember you in Rage. I remember.

I recall you replaced into a newbish slot.

I remember I read that newb as townier than you.

I feel slightly more comfortable now.

Convo with DBK and basically looking for proof for his claim WTF did no one see this?

I know nothing about Micro setups; are we in LyLo?

Consider my vote to be figuratively on Rach at any rate.

P-Edit:
@Yates: About what? I don't really have a good solid scumread on anyone. I think you're Town and am leaning that way on Peabody too. I want to look at Aegor again in relation to the DBK wagon. Neither he nor Rach has said much, but that at least is an action...

Also, Rach's RVS mistake looks a bit more noteworthy now DBK's scumflipped.

Wishy washy dont want to take a stand, but if I have to will vote for the low hanging fruit who had NO access for several days and who had said nothing at all not "Neither he nor Rach has said much". Oh yeah remember her RVS votes yeah vote for her.

The main thing with Aegor is that these posts really don't seem to gel.

What the fuck are you talking about? By claiming that I or Peabody am/is his partner, you are also claiming that Yates is a psycho townie who is lying for...what reason, exactly? Because he simply had a hunch that DBK was scum? Because he is a cop trying to conceal himself?

Unless we have two unhinged townies, DBK is scum. So...

VOTE:

DoesBoKnow

I am the Town Tracker. I tracked DBK to Mastinas. Mastinas is dead. DBK is Scum. Yates isn't a Tracker. Aegor or Peabody may be his partner. We need to lynch DBK today.

Nice job testing the waters earlier. Plus, you did not actually wait to catch Yates in a lie by forcing him to claim. You yourself said he only softclaimed.

You have

so

got to die.

I mean, there's some weird cognition going on when you can go "two people claimed a tracker guilty on him so he must be guilty, but obviously both those people are also Scum just because" in consecutive posts.

Not a huge fan of those kinds of assumptions but fair enough.

*Yates throws his hands up in the air*

So how do you propose we find the remaining scum? My biggest Town reads were on the DBK wagon so it stands to reason that scum will be off the wagon. Do you disagree?

I think VCA of any kind is not a good tool. I am aware that some people swear by it.

To catch Scum, I recommend

reading the game

.

I just read Rach and Aegor in ISO with DBK (thus the observations above).

I'm not planning on doing your homework for you though, if that's what you're asking?

Don't get terse.

I don't think we have the same definition of "terse".

Goodmorning, why is your figurative vote on Rach?

Because I think she is Scum

.

Wait what happened to I have no scum reads

^That looks reasonable, but I still don't like

By claiming that I or Peabody am/is his partner, you are also claiming that Yates is a psycho townie who is lying for...what reason, exactly?

It's you speaking to Wake as though he's Town while in the next post you say he needs to die.

@AP: Why was the night shortened?

How do you know the night was shortened if it was? And if you are just a VT what would it matter?

GM, Can you please explain why you think RM is scum, especially because you said you have no scum reads?

PoE, with an added dose of "hmm" at her RVS thing.

I still don't have any solid scumreads, just a couple solid townreads.

Backtrack backtrack dancing here and there and doing anything to avoid a stand.

[Yates]

That's... a good case, actually.

[Yates]

How do you know the night was shortened if it was?

I'll let GM respond to the rest of the case but this point stuck out as needing to be addressed. Mod told us the night had been shortened.

Day 3 comes (sooner than everyone expected )

[RachMarie]

still why would a VT type be worried about it?

When I am a VT I could care less how long or short the night is because I dont have anything to do.

It is the reaction that I picked up on mainly. Especially with everything else.

As for the part from the mod I missed that sorry. Been in bed for almost 2 days straight being very sick. So I am likely to miss a thing or two.

[Aegor]

That's... a good case, actually.

Yeah, I know. I look forward to GM's defense.

[Peabody]

Aegor and GM are the two who have my most attention based on gut.

I promise I will be following up with that with some research. I don't know if it will be today.

[Peabody]

That's... a good case, actually.

Yeah, I know. I look forward to GM's defense.

This is an awkward post.

[Aegor]

That's... a good case, actually.

Yeah, I know. I look forward to GM's defense.

This is an awkward post.

I look forward to your prosecution.

[goodmorning]

@AP: Why was the night shortened?

Only by 2 hours. I was going to be away for a bit and having the update up on-time seemed like a novel idea for once.

I was just curious.

BTW

Based on the VCA

there is one person who is off BOTH wagons

Fuck VCA, but also are you saying it's likely that Scum were #s 1 and 2 on the D1 wagon?

And are you saying it's likely that I would publicly sheep my scumbuddy's RV and admit it?

Spoiler: Response to Rach's Case

I'd vote for Yates.
Then Peabody.

Then GM.

Then everyone else.

See I am not tunneling not me... Bury her in names again giving me options to later bus.

Oh yeah, he buries my name? He buries yours so far he doesn't even mention you.

So the order of people I would vote for, most likely to least likely, are:
- Yates
- Peabody

- goodmorning

- *lurkers*
- Wake88

Again with the bury GM (in the middle this time) and list some peeps in a lump category as lurkers. Yet in the end when things got hot n heavy he voted for me. and does not even mention me by name, had I been here I would have caught that in a heartbeat.

And the end was a pretty fair distance from this list.
What would it have told you had you caught it?

I had an impulse to quickhammer here, but I don't think that's a good idea since Rach hasn't posted yet.

hmm looks like trying to avoid hammering and shifting the blame....

Orrr I wanted you to post at all on D2?

I'm a Town Odd Night doctor. And I protected mastinas last night.

Obviously it failed.

I lied to Yates because I was thinking he was gambiting from the start. If he really wasn't, I would've outed my PR eventually. If he was, I claim VT, I don't draw a night kill, I get to use my action again (hopefully) N3. If he was scum, I wasn't going to give him the satisfaction of getting a PR to claim (unless, of course, it would mean life or death).

I didn't expect Wake to claim Tracker and to have tracked me, so now of course I have to fess up.

I am currently deciding whether I believe this.
I am looking up Strongman on the Wiki.
I am leaning towards not believing this.
I am considering intenting.
I am intenting.

To hammer?

Why are you only intenting if I already claimed?

Why are you only considering Strongman?

Yes.
To give people time to say whatever shit they want to say, and also in the hopes that Rach posts at some point soon.
Because I can't really think of any other reasons a Doc protect on a VT wouldn't work. If you have one I'm all ears.

Also am thinking about common role types.
From the NAR, and thoughts about whether you would fakeclaim one of these as Scum:
Copy - unlikely, based on it not being common for Town or in games at all
Hide - would not target mastinas
Bus - would target more than just mastinas
Block - you as Scum would know that you as Town would have little reason to block them over someone like Peabody or even Yates
Redirect - see block
Protect - literally the only valid option
Miscellaneous - unlikely based on this game being normal
Kill - see block, with added bonus of "caught scum is caught, lies badly"
Recruit - not a cult game
Inspect - with 2 tracker claims out there, a giant nope

TL;DR
so if you were fakeclaiming as Scum...
Copy, Hide, Bus, Recruit = impossible
Misc, Inspect = very unlikely
Block, Redirect, Kill = unlikely
Protect = likely

not to say you can't be truthing Town, but...

P-EDIT @DBK:
With AP's modding style JK is unlikely in a Micro like this, and I don't think a Town RB would have blocked you over Peabody, Yates, or Rach or a Scum RB would have blocked you over Wake or Yates (if Yates is Town) or even myself.

I don't think Strongman is likely because I've made a few assumptions about the setup that would make Strongman a little OP.

Convo with DBK and basically looking for proof for his claim WTF did no one see this?

As Town, why would you not attempt to sort your thoughts on a claim?

Consider my vote to be figuratively on Rach at any rate.

P-Edit:
@Yates: About what? I don't really have a good solid scumread on anyone. I think you're Town and am leaning that way on Peabody too. I want to look at Aegor again in relation to the DBK wagon. Neither he nor Rach has said much, but that at least is an action...

Also, Rach's RVS mistake looks a bit more noteworthy now DBK's scumflipped.

Wishy washy dont want to take a stand, but if I have to will vote for the low hanging fruit who had NO access for several days and who had said nothing at all not "Neither he nor Rach has said much". Oh yeah remember her RVS votes yeah vote for her. [/quote]
Is it a good thing to vote when you suspect it could be LyLo?
Is it impossible for lurkers to be Scum?
You're hardly "low-hanging fruit." This is not a Newbie game. Several of the players here know how you play and are more sophisticated than "LaL."
Characterizing yourself as such smacks to me of an attempt to discredit my would-be vote on you.

@AP: Why was the night shortened?

How do you know the night was shortened if it was? And if you are just a VT what would it matter?

Mod said so.
Why are you fishing?
I wanted to know.

GM, Can you please explain why you think RM is scum, especially because you said you have no scum reads?

PoE, with an added dose of "hmm" at her RVS thing.

I still don't have any solid scumreads, just a couple solid townreads.

Backtrack backtrack dancing here and there and doing anything to avoid a stand.

Well, I'm currently very pleased to say I now have a scumread.

still why would a VT type be worried about it?

When I am a VT I could care less how long or short the night is because I dont have anything to do.

It is the reaction that I picked up on mainly. Especially with everything else.

As for the part from the mod I missed that sorry. Been in bed for almost 2 days straight being very sick. So I am likely to miss a thing or two.

Again, why are you fishing? Stop fishing.

[RachMarie]

I am not fishing I think you are scum and not town at all, based on the size of the game you being a town PR is highly unlikely. However if you are not a VT you might be a scum PR... I have not ruled that out and I think it is very likely we have one for balance.

We had a tracker and it would be very likely to have a ninja or some similar type scum PR to balance that out. Maybe an scum ascetic or GF as a possibility as well.

most of the people here have not played with me save for you, jason, Yates, and DBK. So no many might see me as suspicious due to lurking.

HOWEVER I was NOT lurking I was without net for many days. I even went V/LA when I realized I was going to have far less net access than I originally thought. At a Starbucks cafe about 35 minutes drive from where we were staying.

[RachMarie]

We are not in LYLO its a 9 player game we already got one scum. If we mislynch today, then we will be in LYLO tomorrow.

[goodmorning]

BTW

Based on the VCA

there is one person who is off BOTH wagons

Fuck VCA, but also are you saying it's likely that Scum were #s 1 and 2 on the D1 wagon?

And are you saying it's likely that I would publicly sheep my scumbuddy's RV and admit it?

I am not fishing I think you are scum and not town at all, based on the size of the game you being a town PR is highly unlikely. However if you are not a VT you might be a scum PR... I have not ruled that out and I think it is very likely we have one for balance.

I am beginning to think massclaim is the right idea after all.

most of the people here have not played with me save for you, jason, Yates, and DBK. So no many might see me as suspicious due to lurking.

I still don't see anybody trying to lynch you for your lack of presence.

HOWEVER I was NOT lurking I was without net for many days. I even went V/LA when I realized I was going to have far less net access than I originally thought. At a Starbucks cafe about 35 minutes drive from where we were staying.

Yeah, you established that. "lurking" is the shortest word I could come up with for "not being all up in the thread".

[goodmorning]

YEAH HANG ON I WAS ON THE LOR WAGON

SERIOUSLY