Mini 1531 ~ Mafia Pinnipedum (Game Over!)

[The Purple Plague]

I'm a compulsive vigilante.
We fucked up and shot Kaze last night because we weren't around for night posting.

Natirasha, go.

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Lambda, why does bulletproof + neighborizer = no three masons?

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yep yep

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i dont see any way for a 3man scum team to be balanced against that

not to this though

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Multiball + vig isn't a thing.

3 Masons is strong, Neighborizer doesn't really do a whole lot, vig seems to be a bit anti-town, BP claim is probably scum

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It does not seem too difficult to balance against masons + vig + neighborizer tho

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i dont see any way for a 3man scum team to be balanced against that

not to this though

(SK has to deny multiball scumteam setups)

Non-scum with a kill disproves multiball scumteam setups.

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My planned shots are one of {DDD, Natirasha} tonight and then LLD tomorrow night so we don't lose a mislynch. After that, who the fuck knows.

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Nah, you don't get a shot. Town!Nacho would know that I would never fucking claim 1 shot BP as scum. Not if you held a gun to my head and threatened me to,

And you would know that I sure as hell wouldn't claim compulsive vig as an SK after everyone is like "well guess that shits an SK".

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I would direct the same post to Nati, but he's scum as hell so his current line is to be expected.

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Nah, you don't get a shot. Town!Nacho would know that I would never fucking claim 1 shot BP as scum. Not if you held a gun to my head and threatened me to,

And you would know that I sure as hell wouldn't claim compulsive vig as an SK after everyone is like "well guess that shits an SK".

Right, and I was gonna start looking at Kanye as a scum neighborizer until you decided to suggest I was scum somehow based on what I have said and done in the last two pages.

No. Just no.

You're not a solid gold plated townread because of who you are and how good you are as scum.
Being bulletproof also makes sense as far as "vig being antitown" goes, but it also makes sense as far as "town power roles other than mason being scummy as hell" goes.

What are your other reads?

[The Purple Plague]

So hey ho you might be town but I'm obviously not going to be comfortable with that revelation completely so if you actually ARE town you're going to need to hold onto that paranoia for a moment and help me sort through the game.

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what part of I haven't read jack shit did you miss, Nacho? I'm ill, I've just gotten back from being in an awful toxic environment, and I'm currently attempting to catch up.

Nothing. I was hoping you picked up on Natirasha scuminess in the past few pages because it's blatant flagrant and everywhere.

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See nacho, what makes no sense to me is you've come out the gate here on day two implying nati-SK but now you're town compulsive vig?

This never happened.
I did start posting like we weren't the vig in order to cover up for Mara's "hmmm I think Plum was the scum kill last night" soft out, but I never called anyone the SK.

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Why is it taking you so long to explain reads?

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That certainly won't be difficult.

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Nacho, how is it you were posting between the time the night posting started and night ended, but didn't reconsider the Kaze shot? I can see missing the reads post, but not seeing my mason claim and not having that shed a different light on your combined me-Kaze D1 scum read?

Marangal caught your mason claim and that led to scum on Smudge wagon probably being Kaze.
She also caught your reads list and asked me to comment on it, but I didn't check Skype in time to make the connection (not that I would have made it anyways). This was around the time I thought I had Kaze-scum nailed in Tales of Abyss and his posting here reminded me of his posting there.

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Who is this?

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I would like to hear thoughts either way but I'm interested in ffery take on events a small margin more.

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DDD/Syryana claims still needed.

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Hey Magua, tons of shit just happened. Comment on it?

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I would like to hear thoughts either way but I'm interested in ffery take on events a small margin more.

Would scum-LLD claim BP?

Don't know. She seems to claim that she wouldn't pretty genuinely, though.

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Nacho what kind of seal are you?

Sealial Killer, Seallager Compulsealve Vigsealante (sp?)

Maria, my kill flavor is devoured because I'm a seal that eats everything.

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Hey Maria if I'm town despite lolvigmasons what does that make LLD?

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Anything?

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Wait you think LLD is town and lying about her role :/

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mmm ok

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Ffery, those posts today were all you planned on contributing?

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Well save your brain and ignore the setup spec for now; I know you can do it!
We were extremely close to shooting you over Kaze, but I was pretty fucking uncomfortable taking the shot. Please help me sort through the game so I don't feel like a complete idiot for sparing your life.

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Us not submitting a kill means that we eat our own tail and suicide, so that seems to be an option if there are REALLY SK doubts on me, although there really shouldn't be.

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I wish you had because at this rate I'm probably going to be the LYLO mislynch.

Since when were you ever worried about being a LyLo mislynch with Cabd and I around?

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Hey.

Cabd.

Hey.

I'm glad you're a mason, because your posting inthread is fuck-all.

So yay.

But the same fucking thing I said to penguin_alien applies to you. I'm town. You may not want to believe it, but I am. So any fucking bullshit you have with "Selkies and Magz are obv bff partners" is some bullshit.

Stop it! Bad hydra! No biscuit!

I know y'all are in yer mason QT high-fiving eachother, and I only regret that I will only be able to enjoy the schadenfreude of reading your posting after my flip after the game is over, but I'll bet $20 that after my flip y'all still say in that QT, "Welp, we were wrong on Magz, but Selkies' still scum" because that's how this shit fucking goes.

Spoiler: Also to Cabd

Secondly, you had fuckall reason to claim. That was dumb. Fucking daytalk with penguin and he could've just breadcrumbed something complex and you could've pointed it out tomorrow.

Damn, man, you're supposed to be better than this.

Is there a reason you keep posting stuff like this, because it really makes my scumdar pick up

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I wish you had because at this rate I'm probably going to be the LYLO mislynch.

Since when were you ever worried about being a LyLo mislynch with Cabd and I around?

p sure Cabd is scumreading me unless he and PA are in serious disagreement.

I've been churning the possibility that you're SK until I looked at that post after I posted it. My gut concluded before I did.

I scumread you in Pick and Ban but you had a pretty strong confidence in me townreading you eventually there. Why is it completely missing here?

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I wish you had because at this rate I'm probably going to be the LYLO mislynch.

Since when were you ever worried about being a LyLo mislynch with Cabd and I around?

both of whom, are, i must add, misreading our slot

Stay out of this, please.

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we are talking.

and yes, magua, I think the manner of which you address the claim scum (and how they differ in how you address everyone else, as well as how you avoid talking about the two obvscums) is pretty much a sounds of alarm.

we are pretty certain that Nati and DDD are scum at this point, though the third member is up for debate. He has LLD/selkies, I have Selkies/Magua and I think that the compulsive tack on our role makes the anti-townness of it that much more potent, so I don't really see how it isn't balanced with day-talk, night posting masons and a (day-talking?) Neighborizer.

Nah, you don't get a shot. Town!Nacho would know that I would never fucking claim 1 shot BP as scum. Not if you held a gun to my head and threatened me to,

He actually doesn't, but this is assumption is pretty townish.

Couldn't access the site at work today, so that was a fun five pages of catch up.

and DDD, I just made a nice post of my town-read on Kanye and my scum-read of you independent of nacho so.... why are you ignoring it?

Because unless I'm looking at the wrong post the kanye part consists of one line that in my view incorrectly summarizes his contributions to the game.

How so?

The better place to vote is DDD who is 1) still not posting

Yeah, I got pulled away from the game for two days, I had four posts yesterday. I mean there's a point where your pushing for my lynch just descends into outright falsehoods and we've hit that a while ago.

Because Quantity=Quality.

But in the meantime: @Nacho: Why is your kill flavor "Devoured"?

Hello, massive red flag.

because we are an animal, what else does an animal do?

we don't have hands that we can use to kill, or "detain" anyone with. Seals are carnivorous creatures, ya know. it isn't our fault we have a voracious appetite

But, honestly you havn't done shit and either way, if I can get nacho to do what I want, we aren't gonna live through tonight, anyway. I want at least one scum-casualty going into tomorrow

[The Purple Plague]

vote purplague

I am a compulsive vig.
Who offers to kill themselves on evens.
Why the fuck are you voting me?

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I wish you had because at this rate I'm probably going to be the LYLO mislynch.

Since when were you ever worried about being a LyLo mislynch with Cabd and I around?

p sure Cabd is scumreading me unless he and PA are in serious disagreement.

I've been churning the possibility that you're SK until I looked at that post after I posted it. My gut concluded before I did.

I scumread you in Pick and Ban but you had a pretty strong confidence in me townreading you eventually there. Why is it completely missing here?

Not confidence, trust. Trust that you were town and that you'd put the effort in.

I haven't really had that trust this game. I think I'm finding it.

Nothing to say?

Not really, no. I was a little offended that you didn't trust I'd put the effort in because I've always put the effort in, especially with you. But that's not something that's particularly game relevant and so didn't bring it up. What do you think of the gamestate?

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what

Why are you voting me? You should be mad as hell with me about how much horseshit is flying around this game but instead you are partaking in it.

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Do you think I am scum in a three man team with a kill?

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If not, I am either a) scum in a multiball scenario with the worst claim in the entire world, or b) SK. In either scenario, giving me a night doesn't mean shit considering the only reason we are currently under this much pressure in the first place is because of our claim.

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that was nacho

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multiball is too much of a possibility and we dont have enough town left for leashing an sk (plus i wouldnt ever want to give sknacho that kind of wiggle room)

Why do you think I would claim vig in the way I did in a multiball scenario?
It confirms me as scum to the other team when I could keep my mouth shut and make myself town as hell by mislynching them.

Why would I claim vig as SK? Everyone was speculating SK at that point, and if I had tracker worries, I could have said no to massclaim pretty easily.

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If we aren't on the three-man team (or a two-man one for that matter?) then we are SK, or Vig and there really isn't any reason for us to tack on the Compulsive part of our claim

Pedit:

Lynch DDD. if he ends up town, we are gonna suicide tonight, and I would prefer for town to go straight for Nati.

~Mara

[The Purple Plague]

Ideal way is Selkies confirms alignment, is either town or scum.
If town, we lynch Natirasha, shoot DDD (who hasn't claimed?), lynch LLD the next day and vig whoever we have paranoia on if the game continues.

If scum, we lynch Selkies, shoot Natirasha, lynch DDD and vig whoever we have paranoia on if the game continues.

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If town completely and totally loses their mind this game and wants to lynch us this game day, I am willing to suicide instead of being mislynched.

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There's no way in hell I'm being mislynched today when we have a free death otherwise.

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the fact that you would pretend otherwise @ this point and have had mara cheerleading it really doesnt make me feel good man :<

Mara believes its the best option.
I believe it's a last resort.

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I mean you're right that it's optimal move to take the shot and try to talk myself out of a lynch but the town needs a slap in the face if they're willing to mislynch me and I'm willing to give it to them.

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Not really, no. I was a little offended that you didn't trust I'd put the effort in because I've always put the effort in, especially with you. But that's not something that's particularly game relevant and so didn't bring it up. What do you think of the gamestate?

Trust starts with believing you're town. I've had a hard time nailing that belief down at times. I trusted you enough to follow you near the end of day 1. You were wrong, which happens. But I felt like on top of getting a lot of amorphous squinty-eyed crap from PA, you've been giving off not sure about me vibes while

at the same time

your reads and mine were converging.

I'm very grateful our reads are converging in good places. I also don't have the third scum pegged at the moment and you haven't given off your more reliable town tells, so you still sit as a possibility. I'm sure I've been sitting as a possibility (until recently) because of similar reasons.

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Ideal way is Selkies confirms alignment, is either town or scum.

What?

I sort you out and get a very solid read on you.

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That's true. I'm ready to dig in now.

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What do you think about Kanye?

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I'm a bit biased since I feel the push on me being scum additionally requires me to be moronic but I still think he's probably town and just being paranoid. Why were you concerned about him being not aggressive enough earlier? I usually don't picture Kanye as an outwardly aggressive type player unless he really sinks his teeth into something.

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I think his sync up with LLD was decent and genuine although possibly very wrong. I understood his reasoning pretty easily, though.

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That makes sense.

What do you think of Natirasha?

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That makes sense.

What do you think of Natirasha?

I still feel like his early day 2 play felt like SK/Vig hunting.

Also, I may have missed it, but I don't think he's really said much about game balance since the mass claim. I expect town-him to work through that and look for potential fake claims and stuff.

What about his Day 1 play? You were initially leaning town on it; are you willing to let that go?

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WHat do you think of his behavior after he determined we were likely the killer? That's the big scum tell for me.

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Also, Mara, why didn't you ask all of your proposed townbloc what they think about this?

p-edit - Smudger seems less go-getter than he was in the first game I played with him. Nats looks like he's doing his early-game autopilot, which I associate more with town-nat than scum-nat. LLD I don't have an opinion yet.

Here is your early townread on Nati, ffery.

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That makes sense.

What do you think of Natirasha?

I still feel like his early day 2 play felt like SK/Vig hunting.

Also, I may have missed it, but I don't think he's really said much about game balance since the mass claim. I expect town-him to work through that and look for potential fake claims and stuff.

What about his Day 1 play? You were initially leaning town on it; are you willing to let that go?

I don't even remember what I thought about Nati on day 1. I think he was null or null-town. Maybe orcinus was townreading him?

WHat do you think of his behavior after he determined we were likely the killer? That's the big scum tell for me.

I thought he was SK hunting. Usually it's scum who hunt SKs that hard. I had a wild idea he could actually be the SK, but he's told me a few times that he thinks the best SK play is to hold their kill.

Quick scan through his ISO and it was almost like he was warning you off. post 906 comes off like he was telling you to watch your step.

I saw the warning! It seemed like a soft PR claim at the time, I have no idea what it supposedly meant now.

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I've been busy the last couple hours. My mom's internet is out and my phone is dying. Sorry for not being gungho about scum hunting the claims.

I voted TPP for a reason though.

I might have missed Magua/DDD/someone else's claim at the end there. I'll check tomorrow. I have a feeling there are scum in the VTs, probably. Kanye is too easy a target with trimasons. I'll think overnight.

You voted me for a reason? What's that reason?

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So WIAC's town, Nat's town, Syryana's town, kanye's very likely town, LLD is probably town.

TPP is the second kill source.

That leaves {DDD, Selkies, Magua}

Trouble is, because for whatever combination of reasons TPP shot one of my mason partners, I don't trust that they're not a gambiting SK, and if we mislynch here and lose two townies tonight, we're hostage to TPP as town or third party.

I'd like to wait for DDD and Syryana to claim, and since I enjoy things being tied up neatly, it would be awesome to have flavor from LLD and kanye, but I'm not so inclined to hold the day for that.

And if you mislynch me today, you're in MyLo tomorrow. 100%, guaranteed.
Meanwhile the Nacho-town possibility means that we get two lynches today instead of one, so it feels like people should be considering Mara and I as town but nope, not happening anywhere.

What do you think I was thinking when I claimed vig as SK? Before I claimed, who was suspicious of me? Nati? And why was he suspicious of me? Because Mara crumbed our kill. Do you think she would do that as a SERIAL KILLER? No. She would not. Meanwhile, I would not claim a compulsive vig with the role name Sealial Killer when all I actually had to do as SK was keep my head down, let you mislynch, and then you're hostage to me.

Why is no one actually thinking about this?

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Oh wait because Vigames have the tendency to make townies go fucking insane.
And I am cursed to play like shit, have a moment of clarity, and get lynched although I have no fucking business being lynched.

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I dunno, do any of you really think I'm that dumb? Does any one of you think that you're that dumb to claim what I've claimed this game? Do you think I got a third party role that loses as soon as it gets lynched or do you think I took special time to make this claim as sketchy as possible?

Or, my favorite scenario, do you think that I'm the type of player to go for "too scummy to be scum" when I previously was in a position that required none of this shit?

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I also don't understand how three masons + vig is too much power when we have a setup that has three mafia with no powers versus three masons. Vigs are very easily countered by mafia powers (bulletproof, roleblocker oh my!), and it's not like SKs significantly towards the mafia.

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Am I surprised everyone wasted a day with a single post and did absolutely nothing else?
Nope! I am only depressed ffery is among them. We still have a lot of reads to get through, you know.
And I might be operating on limited time since towns riding the struggle bus at the moment.

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TPP, who would you shoot if you survive today? Feel free to give conditional answers.

Right now I'm pretty ready to see DDD and Natirasha die immediately, so would shoot whichever one didn't survive today (probably Natirasha if neither was lynched since I feel stronger about him at the moment).

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I don't think I posted earlier. I got pulled away partway through my rounds this morning. I'm kinda here. skipping around a lot.

Also, Mara, why didn't you ask all of your proposed townbloc what they think about this?

p-edit - Smudger seems less go-getter than he was in the first game I played with him. Nats looks like he's doing his early-game autopilot, which I associate more with town-nat than scum-nat. LLD I don't have an opinion yet.

Here is your early townread on Nati, ffery.

Yeah. That was basically null-town. Is it accurate? I think he's a little more likely to post reads when pushed on day 1 as scum than as town. I should have pushed him for reads to see what he did.

We don't have much time anymore, ffery. If you want me to put in the effort (which is pretty necessary at this stage), I need you to be around. Will you be around?

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Final questions about Nati:
What does the warning off on you mean? What is your final verdic on him? When I was asking you about him I was hoping you would give me something like "based on Nati this game or based on what I know as someone who has been inside his head...". Do you have anything like that for me?

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^ this.

I'm assuming TPP is thinking Nat-DDD-? I'd like to know their thoughts if Nat is town.

Impossible

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Go ahead and do it, nacho might, but I don't and it's really fucking stupid that the wagon had built in the first place.

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But when we flip Compulsive Vig, and DDD-scum goes on to win the game, don't say I didn't tell you so