Open 544: Tit for Tat (Game Over)

[Ibarra]

Flames of Disaster:
Yes you can use your vote any way you want, but generally speaking giving a lol reason for voting someone is suspicious.

Cell phone posting, so no story for you, look at time stamps, I wasn't sheeping, but thanks for coming up with a stupid reason to try and vote me + omgus vote because I'm annoying? Lol, yeah, I like my vote where it is even more.

And pretty much agreeing with Flames here. Why are you suddenly so defensive?

[Hopkirk]

That's one.

VOTE: Flames of disaster

[Captain Picard]

Account is locked, so back for a minute. Not defensive, pointing out the fact I didn't sheep, and if they were actually looking for scum, I would think they would look at time stamps before coming up with some lol reasoning.

[Hopkirk]

Why are you so worried about people thinking you sheeped someone?

Do you maintain what you said on rqs in #33 now he has explained the motivation?

[Lincolm]

To answer Lincolms question, it seems that you are putting words into my mouth. In no where did I say that he was scummy, so the question was irrelevant. I put my vote on Picard because he was annoying.

Yes, I did put your own words into your mouth. You said to us "let's generate discussion", I assume you wanted us to out of RVS ofc, but basically doesn't have any questions. So I assume your vote at Picard is serious one.

Let's come from beginning. So, is that vote serious or just RVS?

Account is locked, so back for a minute. Not defensive, pointing out the fact I didn't sheep, and if they were actually looking for scum, I would think they would look at time stamps before coming up with some lol reasoning.

Seriously, no one said you're sheeping.

=

Eh sorry, I might be not paying attention now because I have my game now.

[Captain Picard]

Post 38 and 42, two different people, two people saying I look like scum for sheeping. Who isn't reading now? Lol, I need to quote people for next post but phone sucks for playing, so..

@Hop it's fine, I didn't have any reads at that time, now I'm suspecting mtd and flames, so I'm fine to give him a pass

[Celebloki]

Holy overnight activity batman. I go to sleep and wake up to 3 pages.

Although Ibarra's statistic has been shown to be BS, I would say that scum do tend to take a person who gets votes in RVS and then turns it into a wagon by sheeping or piggybacking weak arguments. RVS as a whole isn't scummy, people who take advantage of RVS to build weak cases are scummy.

Both Flames and Picard are getting super defensive. I'm pretty sure it all started because Flames doesn't like Picard's style.

[Celebloki]

I'd also like to add I'm glad I missed RVS, I have the RVS stage.

Thanks Ibarra for killing it while I was asleep.

[No Stone Unturned]

BTW, anyone who attempts to RV now is definitely scummy, since there is already discussion and content. There should be no more reason to RV.

vote: ibarra

screw you I want my RV ;w;

(In other news, I missed the above, why did you say your gut said scum, but yet you didn't place a vote? Do you think one vote at this point is going to cause a mislynch?)
VOTE: Unvote
Flames of Disaster

Also, I like questions over RVS, also irks me that Ibarra didn't go that route.

^ opportunistic as fuck

vote: CP

also RQS is a scum tactic and you should feel bad

That's one.

VOTE: Flames of disaster

explain plz

@Hop it's fine, I didn't have any reads at that time, now I'm suspecting mtd and flames, so I'm fine to give him a pass

wtf is this? you admit that your read on ibarra was weak bc you had no reads at the time, but he explained how there was legit town motivation in that statistic he made up and you're still painting it as scummy re: "giving him a pass"? I also don't like how you try to write it off bc "lol I'm suspecting these other people now". it feels like you're scared to admit you're wrong and now you're backpedaling bc other people are rethinking their reads on him

-pieguy

[No Stone Unturned]

@Hopkirk:

what exactly are your reads on flames and picard?

@Ibarra:

thoughts on Hopkirk?

[Sakura Hana]

Vote Count 1.02

Flames of Disaster (3) - Tlachta C, Captain Picard, Hopkirk

Captain Picard (3) - Lincolm, Flames of Disaster, No Stone Unturned

Not Voting (6) - Malakittens, Celebloki, Saki, Lorantheceae, Ibarra, MTD

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2014-01-31 06:08:00)

[Saki]

two tasty wagons
which one
do i hop on

sakura <3

[Ibarra]

Account is locked, so back for a minute. Not defensive, pointing out the fact I didn't sheep, and if they were actually looking for scum, I would think they would look at time stamps before coming up with some lol reasoning.

The tone of your earlier post states otherwise though.

@Ibarra:

thoughts on Hopkirk?

Apart from waiting for him to clarify his vote, nothing. Nothing substantial yet to make a read on.

two tasty wagons
which one
do i hop on

Both have three votes on them, if you hop on either one, you'll be the fourth and therefore can call a kan on it.

(Sorry I couldn't resist.)

[Lincolm]

Just back from my game.

MTD: Do you consider sheeping to be a scumtell?

Not necessarily but as town I would expect him to at least say that he is sheeping and not just come up with some poor reason

You read Flames as town?

Forget it, I thought him was Flames. Dunno why.

Also, Tla didn't give reasoning for her vote, I did, anyhow

Doesn't mean we can't understand it.

Post 38 and 42, two different people, two people saying I look like scum for sheeping. Who isn't reading now? Lol, I need to quote people for next post but phone sucks for playing, so..

That's funny how I misinterpret "him" = I didn't read the thread. Cool story.

it feels like you're scared to admit you're wrong

I agree with this, but do you think this is alignment indicative or meta? (I think it is the latter btw)

[Saki]

No Stone Unturned (Varsoon + pieguyn hydra)

just saw this

damn that is one sexy hydra

[Malakittens]

Ibarra - I don't really think your statistics are really that reliable. I did something a while back similar to what you are doing, but only because it came up in an old game off my old site in regards to "first/second/third" poster. It's really the same chance someone who RSVs in the game has a somewhat equal chance of being town or mafia.

If we didn't RVS or RQS - how do you think we would move from the fluff. Any outlooks on how diffeent this game would be without it?

Those who are saying people are being defensive. Defensive really isn't a scum tell by itself. I really hate when people use that argument on players.

[Hopkirk]

@Mala: He already said the stats were made up and has explained that. Why focusing on it but ignoring his explanation?

Something feels off about flames. Could be the newness though.

[MTD]

Cell phone posting, so no story for you, look at time stamps, I wasn't sheeping, but thanks for coming up with a stupid reason to try and vote me + omgus vote because I'm annoying? Lol, yeah, I like my vote where it is even more.

I don't really know what you mean with the timestamps, are you saying you wouldn't be able to write the 3 or 4 lines of your post, that have anything to do with your vote in 2 minutes? Not convincing, really.

In other news, Flames and Picard are both acting somewhat strange IMO, however I am undecided about Picard now, his being defensive is a null tell in itself, him only accusing those who accused him is maybe ok in this case because Flames does look scummy, but his focus is still on defense, while that isn't a scumtell, it sure doesn't really help town either, maybe instead of just saying "I am suspecting these people now" could you actually try to get more info?
Flames looks really strange, I didn't see his omgus vote first, but picard being annoying really is a stupid reason and him jumping onto other's (in this case mine) reasoning afterwards doesn't help really.

[No Stone Unturned]

No Stone Unturned (Varsoon + pieguyn hydra)

just saw this

damn that is one sexy hydra

That's why our avatar is Velma, the sexiest woman. :3
Pie contacted me about forming a hydra and I jumped at the opportunity. Pie's awesome, and I think we'll make a good hydra given my supervillian approach to scum and Pie's no-stone-unturned approach to town. There might be a good deal of dissonance in places, but Pie's actually pretty talkative in our Hydra QT, so I'm very happy with things as they are.

As it stands, the speed at which these two wagons have grown makes me think there's scum there (also PoE on numbers, etc). I support Pie's vote and forward this:
Captain Picard, what are you doing with your vote?

-V

[No Stone Unturned]

In other news, Hello everyone! This is the debut of the Pie/Varsoon hydra! I'll try to keep up with signing my posts, so you don't get confused.

[MTD]

I forgot to add: I am not voting before I get an explanation for Tlachtas Vote but I am inclined to vote Flames then.

[Malakittens]

@Mala: He already said the stats were made up and has explained that. Why focusing on it but ignoring his explanation?

Something feels off about flames. Could be the newness though.

I didn't see it actually.

[Flames of Disaster]

In other news, Hello everyone! This is the debut of the Pie/Varsoon hydra! I'll try to keep up with signing my posts, so you don't get confused.

It is very obvious who is Varsoon and who is pieguyrn, actually, but ok.

I feel that there are large amounts of scum on my wagon, could a powerful town play help to identify the scum wagon hoppers?

Defensive May not be a scum tell, but the snarky tone of that post should be an indicator of scum itself .

to lincolm : the original vote on Picard was a omgus vote. However, it is now a serious vote.

[MTD]

In other news, Hello everyone! This is the debut of the Pie/Varsoon hydra! I'll try to keep up with signing my posts, so you don't get confused.

It is very obvious who is Varsoon and who is pieguyrn, actually, but ok.

I feel that there are large amounts of scum on my wagon, could a powerful town play help to identify the scum wagon hoppers?

Defensive May not be a scum tell, but the snarky tone of that post should be an indicator of scum itself .

to lincolm : the original vote on Picard was a omgus vote. However, it is now a serious vote.

Why do you always ask town for help instead of doing some work yourself, until now I think you have only said your thoughts on Picard and even in that there was always "town, please investigate" and things like that.

[Sakura Hana]

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