Micro 279: Uncommon Mafia - OVER

[Mac]

I'm a compulsive self vanillaizer or whatever it is. That's my claim.

V/LA til monday

[implosion]

I'm not opposed to massclaim.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bob answer my question. Why are those people listed town and why are other people you listed scum?

most people haven't done anything spectacular lately and I don't like to actively search for reasons

[Bicephalous Bob]

it's just PhD and you now

[PhDScar]

I'm the CS Vanillaizer. Bob that doesn't answer my question, you say some people are town and some are mafia so you must have a reason for thinking this even if it's very weak, unless you're just picking at random and that has a lot of issues in it.

[BBmolla]

Replacing Klick

[Alduskkel]

This is stupid.

Vote: Klick

[BBmolla]

serrapaladin replaces Klick.

[BBmolla]

Votecount 2.04

Mac - 1 - Bicephalous Bob
PhDScar - 1 - implosion
serrapaladin - 1 - Alduskkel

Not Voting: PhDScar, Klick, Mac, yessiree, serrapaladin

Deadline: (expired on 2014-01-23 22:19:00)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[serrapaladin]

/confirm

Hi guys! Thoughts coming in a bit.

[Alduskkel]

Quick serra, tell me what your role is.

[Alduskkel]

And don't iso your damn predecessor.

[serrapaladin]

I'm a compulsive visitor and I've asked bb for klick's submitted night-actions. Read-through happening now.

[yessiree]

hello, the guy who beat me in a chess game

[serrapaladin]

This seems like a designed setup, rather than a random great idea type one. BB calling it "uncommon mafia" seems to imply he chose uncommon, great idea-type roles for the setup. I suppose that means Firefighter implies some Arsonist type role?

My guess is my role is to give a false positive to some tracker-type role.

Does the strange vanilla role have any meaning?

That's a little odd considering Greater Idea Mafia (which this game's role PMs are based on, see post 2) contains neither a Firefighter nor an Arsonist.

I can NOT believe you all just turned around and lynched Bert at the last second instead of Aegor.

Well this is awkward. I'm the Captain. I had Bob target Klick because Klick was really fucking suspicious and innocents aren't worth shit when we might be up against werewolves or something. I'm pretty skeptical of there actually being Aliens, although the lack of N1 kill is somewhat suspicious.

Idk how Arsonist is supposed to make sense as an Alien role considering Aliens are supposed to only get 1 factional kill. Imagine having a Mafia Vigilante who can use their action in addition to the factional kill.

Still, Bob's probably Town? Definitely Town if there are Aliens, if there aren't then who the fuck even knows.

@Alduskell: As far as I can tell, your own role doesn't appear on that list, so your comments towards Bert look bad.

I have no idea what to think about the captain role, but either Alduskell is currently lying about his role, or tried to soft-push the Bert lynch to completion. His later claim about missing his own role while checking the list for Bert's seems dubious.

I'm a Town Compulsive Loyal Conspiracy Theorist Ensign, an alien-flavored cop/miller. I have to follow orders from a captain. Klick isn't alien. My captain probably is, which is why I'm claiming.

I think they tried to make Klick target himself, since he soft-claimed a power role.

What makes you say that? Why would scum have a redirector?

With yessiree's role, I think it's really quite likely my own role works as a false positive for firefighter.

I believe Bob's claim, and had him as town anyways, so we probably have aliens, too? Unless of course one of the investigators is a red herring, which I guess would mean we're only dealing with aliens? Alien arsonist doesn't sound right...

Mac's slot is probably most suspicious from a first read-through, in particular from his predecessor, but I also didn't quite like the flow of his reads, or his reaction to the modkill and klick's claim.

Aldi could be alien, but that makes the quick claim somewhat strange.

Given we're only missing two, we should probably finish the massclaim.

If we actually have 6-2 aliens-1 arsonist, I wouldn't be all too surprised if one of the alien roles could find the arsonist, but yessiree has been reading fairly towny, so idk.

Alduskell, what's your complete rolename? Did you know what you would make bob do?

VOTE: Mac

pedit: hi yessiree!

[Alduskkel]

I'm a Town Captain. And I can't be lying about my role unless Bob is ALSO lying or there is another Captain who, for some reason, isn't counterclaiming.

What's your response to me saying that yessiree's role is too weak to warrant a Miller-type (your role) for it?

[implosion]

In an ideal world I wouldn't actually claim my role so that I could get quickhammered in mylo or something like that, but in the interest of setup speculation since it's becoming fairly involved in this game:

I'm a 1-shot unlynchable townie.

[serrapaladin]

I'm a Town Captain. And I can't be lying about my role unless Bob is ALSO lying or there is another Captain who, for some reason, isn't counterclaiming.

What's your response to me saying that yessiree's role is too weak to warrant a Miller-type (your role) for it?

I believe that you do control bob's action, but you could be an alien captain. Did you know what you would make bob do?

What makes you say yessiree's role is weak? And didn't you say that before yessi actually revealed his role? I'm not quite sure how his role works, but it seems to me like without my role, a result by him would be pretty alignment indicative. If we really have aliens, killing would definitely catch them out, and if the arsonist were the only "misc" it would catch him out, too. I can only guess as to why a miller-type role was put in, but with a doc-type role (Bert) and a cop-type role (yessi), a third-party could use some compensation, no?

pedit: 1-shot unlynchable also comes as alien, which is worrying...

[yessiree]

Aldi, why is my role too "weak" to warrant the role serra is claiming?

I think the sole purpose of my role is to invest for the arson, and visitor is the perfect role to hinder that process

[serrapaladin]

Right, so I really don't think we'd have an alien arsonists, so we're either being misled in terms of aliens (strange considering two roles are related to it). Either the arsonist is a red herring altogether or my role is the counter to yessiree.

I believe bob's and alduskell's claim, but the latter is not necessarily alignment indicative. Yessiree's claim is also true since he correctly tracked my action, but I guess there's an off-chance scum would be given an investigative role to find an arsonist.

yessiree: what's your role-name and do you have an exhaustive list of action categories? Do you have any indication on what falls into which category?

We had a missing kill and no claimed protection role. It's likely scum doesn't have a nightly kill, so I actually buy the whole aliens thing.

If there are 2+1 scum, with corresponding town PR's, I think at least one of the VT claims (includion Implosion's is wrong). I think Mac/DLA has been the scummiest. Implosion's potential alien role might be a fake-out. PhD reads as townish.

[yessiree]

town follower, possible results are Investigative, Protective, Killing, or Miscellaneous, and I believe I have to make my own judgement calls on what actions falls into which category

your slot had my suspicion until the claim, which I believed to be true. So right now I don't really have any original scumread

[Bicephalous Bob]

why would your role even need a compulsive visitor

all self-vanillaizers and the captain are misc

I really think it's one of {Mac, PhD} with one of {Aldi, Klick}

I'm currently leaning towards Mac/Klick

[Bicephalous Bob]

The only people you can sort-of confirm are PhD and Mac. You should get the "x didn't visit anyone" message.

[serrapaladin]

I'm confused, I swear you said you had an inno on me/klick. Is your working theory that ALL of the town PR's are red herrings and we're basically playing mountainous? Alien are the one scum faction that don't have a regular NK, and we have two roles related to them, plus this is titled "uncommon" mafia, so I think it's a pretty good bet we're looking for aliens...

Self-vanillaisers are probably misc, but they would all be turned by N1. VT's would return "none". The captain likely being misc is a fair point, but he has an out in that you can confirm his role. I guess we can discuss setup design postgame, but I am a visitor, so my guess is I'm either mislynch bait given we have a firefighter, or a false-positive for a real arsonist.

Care to explain the statement in 382 I quoted above? Why would you think scum have a redirect?!

[serrapaladin]

Actually, yessiree, why did you come out asking whether klick had doused someone? If you really are a follower, misc would also indicate any of the self-vanillaisers N1.