NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Titus]

Not all scum qts have strong summaries so yeah not a town tell. Scum without daytalk, and poor night summary is very possible even with a replace in fumbling. Don't use that as a towntell. If you do, when I am scum, I will burn you. I love burning outside tells like that.

[Sakura Hana]

hey sakura talk to me about Bert

Bert's this guy that likes to follow gut reads a lot.

you 2 would probably get along! *runs*

[Sakura Hana]

Scum without daytalk, and poor night summary is very possible even with a replace in fumbling.

But masons have daytalk and Cabd informed us of this because it makes it very very likely scum has daytalk too.

[Sakura Hana]

And with that i think titus just jumped from scum to very town for me.

[Titus]

Great, well I'd like to sort you then Sakura.

Who is your biggest townread? Why?
Who is your biggest scumread? Why?
What do you think of Casso? Why? If Casso is your biggest town or scum read, give me your next best town or scum read.

[Sakura Hana]

Who is your biggest townread? Why?
Who is your biggest scumread? Why?
What do you think of Casso? Why? If Casso is your biggest town or scum read, give me your next best town or scum read.

1. Mara, because Mason, if that was a given then geists because gunsmith clear... wait that's a given too, then Cas- oh wait in #3 you already mentioned them, then I guess it all comes down to SAD, which i already explained to pieguyn

2. MafiaSSK, reasons obvious, but if that was a given then pieguyn, I also explained that one already.

3. Already explained to pieguyn.

[Sakura Hana]

Also since you want to sort me out apparently the majority of the playerlist gave me a townread based on my reactions to a deadline flashwagon on me during Day 1, you might wanna look into that.

[Titus]

Wonderful news!!!

I have permission to kill Hana

vote:Hana

So why is the wagon on Sakura even happening?

That's Lynch -1

Claim please?

Claim please?

Nah I wont claim, live with the burden of it.

The posts above, while not appearing to make sense together are troubline in their own right. I am looking from the start of the VC before SH's wagon until she hits L minus 1.

Tammy was the first on the wagon. Assuming this is accurate, then scum killing Tammy makes a very logical play since SH is a threat to scum!Sakura.

Yet, some of the votes on the wagon are sketchy as fuck. For instance KoreanBBQ softclaims Vig (permission to kill) but the vig is already dead in the graveyard.

Sakura's refusal to claim should have been a death sentence but somehow she lives.

Korean

explin the above post please.

[pieguyn]

hey sakura talk to me about Bert

Bert's this guy that likes to follow gut reads a lot.

you 2 would probably get along! *runs*

can you answer my question plz

where are you currently at with Bert? I know you've been having reservations about him but I don't know exactly what it is you're looking for in town-Bert or what's giving you reservations here. elaborate plz

[Sakura Hana]

Normally i'd see Bert interact with people more, but here he just kept wagon hoping and not much interaction and what came worse is that his reason for denying my case was "But i'm Bert"

[KoreanBBQ]

Wonderful news!!!

I have permission to kill Hana

vote:Hana

So why is the wagon on Sakura even happening?

That's Lynch -1

Claim please?

Claim please?

Nah I wont claim, live with the burden of it.

The posts above, while not appearing to make sense together are troubline in their own right. I am looking from the start of the VC before SH's wagon until she hits L minus 1.

Tammy was the first on the wagon. Assuming this is accurate, then scum killing Tammy makes a very logical play since SH is a threat to scum!Sakura.

Yet, some of the votes on the wagon are sketchy as fuck. For instance KoreanBBQ softclaims Vig (permission to kill) but the vig is already dead in the graveyard.

Sakura's refusal to claim should have been a death sentence but somehow she lives.

Korean

explin the above post please.

I like really don't care if Hana lives or dies.

[Titus]

No but why the apparent softclaim of vig. That was no where near a hammer vote.

[KoreanBBQ]

I don't see any possible way you get a vig softclaim from that.

[Titus]

That's bullshit.

VOTE: KoreanBBQ

If you really didn't understand, the confusion should have been the first thing you said. Second, the softclaim s innately obvious as only vigs and sks need permission to kill. Die scum.

[KoreanBBQ]

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I don't know which is worse the time you found me scummy for keeping a player that ended up flaking or that you think I claimed vig with a dead vig.

[Titus]

That soft-claim post came before the dead vig.

Nice discredit btw. It is longer than a good chunk of your posts.

[KoreanBBQ]

Hana wagon was on day 1? ok then.

vote:KBBQ

[KoreanBBQ]

What you guys don't think its a scumtell that I "claimed" vig and a vig died?

[Empire]

Day 3, Votecount 13

MafiaSSK (3)

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Sakura Hana, BROseidon, Norlkaz

KoreanBBQ (2)

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Titus, KoreanBBQ

Bert (2)

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Ser Arthur Dayne, Generic

Ser Arthur Dayne (1)

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pieguyn

zMuffinMan (1)

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Ms Marangal

Not Voting (6)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, MafiaSSK, zMuffinMan, geists, Bert, Casso the King of Seals

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on January 26th at 4:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-01-26 17:28:18)

Mod Notes

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MafiaSSK is V/LA until Saturday. Generic is V/LA until Sunday.

[Thor665]

Thor, Iso yourself. Nacho has made a town-case on F-16

Nacho has asked me to develop my reads for discussion in our QT.
I don't care what Nacho's independant reads are until we reach that stage, my purpose here is to develop mine and I refuse to read the game to do so, and think I get better reads via interaction anyway.

Has anyone found out why bert and cephrir were forcibly removed from the game? They were two people I had suspicions on and suddenly they are out, it feels off.

I think seeking that info lies along the path of madness. Also, potential replacement.

you still didn't get around to telling me how Nacho and I hadn't discussed you.

ok. where are you at with your read on me?

I lean you scummy.

You still didn't get around to telling me how Nacho and I hadn't discussed you.

You seem so laid back and apologetic in these two posts but why...

With Norklaz being Llama I'll second that question. Town Llama is not a laid back Llama in my experience.

So you think "I want to lynch them" isn't a strong enough stance in and of itself? I disagree.

When the question is 'why should we lynch them' then no, no it isn't.

I'm not looking for spiffy here. I'm looking for "in some way useful, even if only vaguely."

To toss back your odd double standards at you again.
He offered his opinion on an action and expressed his belief of what alignment it meant the player in question was. To a certain extent, that is the core definition of 'useful' in a scumhunting sense.

Why is it he can call something out without a well defended stance equates to him being scummy, but Muffin does the same and you're...just sorta fine with it. I feel like the issue is deeper explanation and I really think you are applying two different standards in how you approach it.

Games I watched:
N1408 - reasonably active, reasonably informative
Games I was dead in:
O496 - probably the most active person alive after her replace-in, also did most of the setup spec work
Games I was alive in:
O526 - despite replacing in and being lynched D1, had 100+ posts. Granted that D1 was pretty long, but only 5 people posted more.

With Titus' reply to this now, I'd like to see that addressed between the two of you.
I will say, at least for me, active and lazy are two different things. I am an active poster, but I am a lazy poster.

Nacho, Thor, SH, who fools you as scum? I doubt you both are scum but I would expect scum to go onto the next high town wagon cuz deadline.

To the best of my awareness no one particularly 'fools' me as scum.
On the same note, I also am unaware of anyone who claims I can read them highly accurately as well.
I do seem to have people agree that I do not have bad reads.

My scumhunting quality appears to hold on a certain level, and though I adjust tells for given players I don't really have custom methods on anyone either. Just as I am apparently hard to meta, I also don't really meta back.

I am sure Nacho has a list on both sides dozens of names long though. So, I think you'll be wanting his answer.

ow much of the thread have you read, and how much do you intend to read?

[Casso the King of Seals]

Thor, Iso yourself. Nacho has made a town-case on F-16

Nacho has asked me to develop my reads for discussion in our QT.
I don't care what Nacho's independant reads are until we reach that stage, my purpose here is to develop mine and I refuse to read the game to do so, and think I get better reads via interaction anyway.

Has anyone found out why bert and cephrir were forcibly removed from the game? They were two people I had suspicions on and suddenly they are out, it feels off.

I think seeking that info lies along the path of madness. Also, potential replacement.

you still didn't get around to telling me how Nacho and I hadn't discussed you.

ok. where are you at with your read on me?

I lean you scummy.

You still didn't get around to telling me how Nacho and I hadn't discussed you.

You seem so laid back and apologetic in these two posts but why...

With Norklaz being Llama I'll second that question. Town Llama is not a laid back Llama in my experience.

So you think "I want to lynch them" isn't a strong enough stance in and of itself? I disagree.

When the question is 'why should we lynch them' then no, no it isn't.

I'm not looking for spiffy here. I'm looking for "in some way useful, even if only vaguely."

To toss back your odd double standards at you again.
He offered his opinion on an action and expressed his belief of what alignment it meant the player in question was. To a certain extent, that is the core definition of 'useful' in a scumhunting sense.

Why is it he can call something out without a well defended stance equates to him being scummy, but Muffin does the same and you're...just sorta fine with it. I feel like the issue is deeper explanation and I really think you are applying two different standards in how you approach it.

Games I watched:
N1408 - reasonably active, reasonably informative
Games I was dead in:
O496 - probably the most active person alive after her replace-in, also did most of the setup spec work
Games I was alive in:
O526 - despite replacing in and being lynched D1, had 100+ posts. Granted that D1 was pretty long, but only 5 people posted more.

With Titus' reply to this now, I'd like to see that addressed between the two of you.
I will say, at least for me, active and lazy are two different things. I am an active poster, but I am a lazy poster.

Nacho, Thor, SH, who fools you as scum? I doubt you both are scum but I would expect scum to go onto the next high town wagon cuz deadline.

To the best of my awareness no one particularly 'fools' me as scum.
On the same note, I also am unaware of anyone who claims I can read them highly accurately as well.
I do seem to have people agree that I do not have bad reads.

My scumhunting quality appears to hold on a certain level, and though I adjust tells for given players I don't really have custom methods on anyone either. Just as I am apparently hard to meta, I also don't really meta back.

I am sure Nacho has a list on both sides dozens of names long though. So, I think you'll be wanting his answer.

ow much of the thread have you read, and how much do you intend to read?

*Derp.

[Empire]

Prophylaxis replaces Bert.

[Prophylaxis]

Hi, replacing in.

Should manage to read the first.. ~100 pages soonish? And more throughout the weekend.

Would appreciate a summary, given that this monstrosity is 6000 posts long.

[Prophylaxis]

Is there a way to increase to posts per page on mafiascum? I desperately need it.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Would appreciate a summary, given that this monstrosity is 6000 posts long.

We have claimed masons and a 'no gun' result from a now proven Gunsmith.
We have a claimed Doc who also claims to have targeted someone other than Gunsmith last night.
Gunsmith died.
The claimed Doc has posted about cheese since then.
Some people seem to actually think we shouldn't lynch said claimed Doc today. They want to "use our time".
Mostly we are "using the time" to debate which, if any, of them are also scum.

If you read only the last 30 or so pages you can receive the bulk of this info with names and some interactions attached to it and be basically up to speed.

Then a few reads might be sexy.