NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

Titus · Post Post #6150 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:05 am

I am taking the context into consideration.

1) You soft-claim vig.
2) You claim VT.
3) When called out, you deny the soft-claim of Vig.
4) You self-voted allegedly trying to draw the wagon to yourself. This suggests scum bc it suggests someone piss poorly white knighting SC.

What "context" am I missing?

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6151 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:08 am

Everything

The claim happened before the SC wagon starts
The fact that I've been scumrrading SC
The basis behind that "softclaim"
The chronological order
Not considering the fact that the "callout" happened waaaaaaaaaay later
The basis of the selfvote

Now what else did I forget to mention?

Generic · Post Post #6152 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:10 am

Can I just clarity on this dispute, KBBQ do you confirm or deny any sort of fake breadcrumbing of a vig role?

Empire · Post Post #6153 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:12 am

Day 3, Votecount 16

MafiaSSK (3)

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Sakura Hana, BROseidon, Norlkaz

Prophylaxis (2)

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Ser Arthur Dayne, Generic

Norlkaz (1)

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KoreanBBQ

KoreanBBQ (1)

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Titus

Titus (1)

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goodmorning

Ser Arthur Dayne (1)

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pieguyn

zMuffinMan (1)

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Ms Marangal

Not Voting (6)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, MafiaSSK, zMuffinMan, geists, Prophylaxis, Casso the King of Seals

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on January 26th at 4:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-01-26 17:28:18)

Mod Notes

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KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6154 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:13 am

The only moment I kinda fakeclaimed vig was after the SC flip.
Hang on lemme quote it.

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6155 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:14 am

In post 5678, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 5677, Bert wrote:I don't bite humans!
We got a confirmed troll here!
Thank god we were a universal backup!

Here it is

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6156 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:16 am

So I deny whatever titus said I did in the post she quoted

Titus · Post Post #6157 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:21 am

In post 3487, KoreanBBQ wrote:Wonderful news!!!

I have permission to kill Hana

vote:Hana

This is the vig softclaim I have been asking everyone to look at.

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6158 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:23 am

They all did.
And they all know what that meant.
Because they've been reading.

Generic · Post Post #6159 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:29 am

And I'm reading you two with interest at present.

Because to soft claim vig BEFORE the actual vig is known would be pathetic as scum because the real vig guns them down in the night.

However, the belief there is a scum doctor suddenly adds another dimension to this. In honour of DOMO I shall be donning the tin foil hat. If you have a scum doc and suspicions of a vig or SK in play, how do you best nullify that in night? Perhaps claim a role that an SK would aim at or a vig would know to be a lie and aim at you over and have he doc protect you. It forces the vig out into the open to counter claim you...

But now removing the tin foil hat there are two problems. 1. That single post is rather ambiguous in being proof of a vig breadcrumb (they are a hydra) and 2. The person pushing I this theory is not a strong townread.

One question KBBQ, with regards to hana on day 1 how in sync were the pair of you in reading her?

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6160 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:31 am

Total opposite until that post titus quoted.
After that, we moved to townreading her.

Titus · Post Post #6161 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:32 am

Great well I'm sure Generic can come in and tell me that if "everyone" thinks I'm wrong. This looks like a "everyone believes it" fallacy. You should be aware you can fool all the people some of the time, all the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time.

Ok, so basically my theory is tinfoil according to Generic because I'm scum and that's ambiguous. Well ambiguity is the point of a soft claim. A scum doc isn't too preposterous given the size of the group. Also, look at KBBQs iso, he almost always picks kill over language.

So does anyone have a question or eludication as to why I'm "not a strong townread"? Or is it just sheep the scum who don't claim responsibility day?

Titus · Post Post #6162 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:33 am

In post 6160, KoreanBBQ wrote:Total opposite until that post titus quoted.
After that, we moved to townreading her.

So you began townreading Hana solely because I began being suspicious that Hana wasn't the day one wagon but SC was?

Titus · Post Post #6163 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:34 am

In post 6161, Titus wrote:Great well I'm sure Generic can come in and tell me that if "everyone" thinks I'm wrong. This looks like a "everyone believes it" fallacy. You should be aware you can fool all the people some of the time, all the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time.

Ok, so basically my theory is tinfoil according to Generic because I'm scum and that's ambiguous. Well ambiguity is the point of a soft claim. A scum doc isn't too preposterous given the size of the group. Also, look at KBBQs iso, he almost always picks kill over
lynch
language.

So does anyone have a question or eludication as to why I'm "not a strong townread"? Or is it just sheep the scum who don't claim responsibility day?

Mod, can you fix my prior post to add the bolded language and delete this?

~Cannot do that, sorry. (Empire)

Generic · Post Post #6164 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:35 am

You were townreadin her after wanting to kill her?

Did you only sync up to a townread?

Pedit: you never have that theory though. You just kept repeating they soft claimed vig. And the big problem with the theory is not your alignment although it doesn't help, it's the fact that they are a hydra.

But I will get to that when KBBQ answers my last questions.

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6165 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:37 am

In post 3534, KoreanBBQ wrote:oh poop.

I think Hana just town told but its also Hana and I don't want 7646345436475685335688565667 pages so I don't really care enough to stop said wagon.

Tammy, help me lynch the fuck out of Mara and her "uhhh" list.

Synced up to townread right before this post

Generic · Post Post #6166 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:43 am

Had you synced to a scum read previous or just the town read there?

I am going somewhere with this I promise.

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6167 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:47 am

That post that titus quoted was the first and last time we synced a scumread on her.
The one I quoted was where we synced to townread.

So the order is
Town/scum -> sync scum -> sync town.

Generic · Post Post #6168 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:51 am

And there we finally get to my point.

Titus. Reread that post and consider two people in that one slot. Then tell me if a soft claim of vig is the only explanation.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #6169 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:00 am

Do you think he would have said "I have permission to kill Hana" instead of just keeping quiet and shooting me during the Night?
Titus i suggest you go back to FEA and ISO Nero.

Generic · Post Post #6170 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:03 am

In post 6169, Sakura Hana wrote:Do you think he would have said "I have permission to kill Hana" instead of just keeping quiet and shooting me during the Night?
Titus i suggest you go back to FEA and ISO Nero.

Fuck you hana! Making the point in a tenth of the time and with far fewer words!

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6171 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:42 am

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This "NERO SOFTCLAIMED VIG!!!" is extremely depressing. If anyone thinks that I softclaimed vig then you need to stock up on B-12. This also seems vaguely familiar and kinda remember something like like happening before. I think it was Junepia (or w/e name) but I can't seem to find it.

Nacho also needs to explain the difference between this muffin and FEA muffin.

KoreanBBQ · Post Post #6172 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:53 am

In post 6159, Generic wrote:Because to soft claim vig BEFORE the actual vig is known would be pathetic as scum because the real vig guns them down in the night.

to be fair, barring role info (like a day role cop or claim) there's like no way a scum team would know there's a vig in the setup so this point is kinda meh but its a moot point 'cause I never softclaimed vig.

F-16_Fighting_Falcon · Post Post #6173 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:23 pm

zMuffinman, I've been looking through your ISO to see why you think Casso is scum and almost the entirety of it seems to be based on the way Nacho has tried to read you. Is there anything outside of their read on you that you find scummy? You said in 5870 that is mostly gut and that ffery's points are too vague for you to counter. But starting from scratch explain to me in a nutshell why you think they are scum outside of how they are sorting you. What do you think of the way Nacho has gone about sorting other players for instance and how he has approached the game in general?

pieguyn · Post Post #6174 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:55 pm

In post 6137, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Generic, your point about Cephrir resonates with me because one of the things I found off about him was his interaction with me. When no one suspected me D1, he defended me calling Sakura's FOS on me "moonlogic" in 959 and expresses approval of my objection to Pieguyn's GoodMorning read in 961, agreeing with me on Rofl in 1071 and in general treading very carefully. He also appreciating my meta-dive of DOMO in 1320. However, after a few people suspect me, his tone then changes with him starting to throw slight suspicion in 2744, 3695, and 4021. However, after I start pushing on him, he backs off and again starts reading me as town which I feel is similar to what you describe. I didn't feel that his reads had any genuine scumhunting behind them but rather sucking up to universally townread players while setting up suspicion on players that could be suspicious which is what I gathered from his interaction with me.

did you notice he did this with me too

when I posted my catchup post on replace in he immediately threw me into his townpile and then when it looked like I could be lynched he conveniently reversed said read with a sketchy reason

In post 1914, Cephrir wrote:I think I am beginning to agree with this, his questioning of me felt kind of robotic