Micro 289: Vanilla Town Mafia (GAME OVER!)

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THE FANCIEST CONFIRMATION

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Vote: Blonde

Counterwagon GO

@Flames: but links are

so hard

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@BLONDE:

reasons lol

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YOU SILLY SAUSAGE

Vote: Fresh

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You didn't join a wagon and you picked a rather hackneyed excuse to vote someone - not to mention that that someone joined 5 days ago and is quite possibly unfamiliar with site meta.

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So, explain.

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Wow, that's a pretty sophisticated reaction test/injoke you have there with such a fresh player. Do you know each other from somewhere else?

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No, the fact that he is new doesn't make him vulnerable to the game, if he is new and wants to be treated like a new person, he can go join a newbie game.

Did I say anything about treating him as a new person or not? I'm just saying it's obvious why he didn't RV.

Let me ask again: Why not join one of the existing wagons?

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reasons lol

Lol k. Explain them plz?

Well, it's basically 22 minus the sarcasm.

You didn't join a wagon and you picked a rather hackneyed excuse to vote someone - not to mention that that someone joined 5 days ago and is quite possibly unfamiliar with site meta.

Why is him not joining one of the wagons sus? Also, why do you think his reason for voting is bad? The logic I think you're applying here could said of both actions IRT Fresh's vote and Rob's non-vote.

It isn't

very

suspicious, but when the alternative is the vote he made...

I think the reason is bad because it's literally "why didn't you RV?" I can tell you why he didn't RV. He isn't familiar with site meta.

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Yeah, 22 is that. Mild reaction test/injoke.

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He said "I voted for the same reasons you voted Blonde" and I responded with 22, saying sarcastically... and so on.

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Addressed to him about you.

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Hm, still not following but I can say that I do not know Fresh.

I was saying in 22 that I voted you as a mild reaction test/injoke. I said further that it was surprising that he (Fresh) had such a relationship with a newer player (KK).

I didn't join one of the wagons because I didn't want to put someone on L-1.

It would have been L-2, not L-1.

Vote: Fresh

There's nothing wrong with not voting in RVS. Not much wrong with putting someone at L-1 in RVS either.

Hmmmmm.

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Well. I didn't exactly get what I was looking for from this one, but that means little as it wasn't particularly serious.

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@GM - what'd you expect?

Well, I expected you to either joke about my vote on you (as either alignment) or completely ignore it (probably Scum). You simply asked about it.

It would have been L-2, not L-1.

No, it would have been L-1. With seven players it's four to lynch.

Well that explains a lot. I've been playing too many Newbies.

dead game really

For encouraging apathy you get this award...

Vote: Flames of Disaster

Town want to move the game forward.

Does commenting about how dead the game is encourage apathy? How so?

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That's fair.

@Flames: Are you an alt?

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I agree with the above assessment but have nothing new to say and am satisfied with my current vote.

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Lark is being awfully helpful...

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@Rob: Has anyone said anything that stood out to you as odd? Point it out.

Also what is happening

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OH MY GOODNESS

NOW IT IS A PARTY

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I didn't have anything new to add, because you hadn't posted. Now that you have posted, I can say with confidence that I have no read on you two at all.
Though I don't like the way you came in and picked me out of the crowd. Is it because you're Town and you'd expect me to be nagging people more as the most experienced player in the game? Or is it because you're Scum and you want me gone so you can take up some sort of leadership position and steamroll it?

In case you hadn't noticed, I have been trying to feel out Lark. There are one or two things about him that don't sit right with me. They could be playstyle-related, but as I gave Lark some opportunities to talk to me about it and he didn't take them, I am currently somewhat suspicious of his slot.

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In case you hadn't noticed, I have been trying to feel out Lark. There are one or two things about him that don't sit right with me. They could be playstyle-related, but as I gave Lark some opportunities to talk to me about it and he didn't take them, I am currently somewhat suspicious of his slot.

What opportunities? If you mean the last line of 36, I was waiting for Fresh to reply to my comment so wasn't going to discuss it then, and if you mean 49, I thought that was more for the others to comment on (which might have told me something) but no one did. I can't see anything else that I didn't reply to.

Yes, I mean both of those.
To 36, there's never a time when it's not OK to go back to things.
To 49, what does that even mean?

though, the fact that you believe that I actually scum-read my predecessor, and stated that fact in thread is laughable.

I had left that there like, two days ago. it should have gotten more people looking into it

Personally, I assumed you were joking. I was going to make an amished joke, but I thought some of the newbs might actually take it seriously so I didn't.

in anycase, GM is prooobbbaallyyy town...

no shiiiiitttt

Speaking of the newbs, where in the hell are they? This is tragic.

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NO

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SCARE ANY NEWBS N STUFF

NOW YOU'RE HERE, CAPSLOCK PARTYYYYY

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FUCK YEAH

GM WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 PAGES HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO FIND SCUM IN THIS

IDK, I AM BAD AT MAKING ACTIVITY HAPPEN

P SURE BLONDE JUST DOESN'T KNOW BERT THOUGH

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BERT

WE'RE GONNA NEED YOU TO PUT MARA ON THE LINE, K?

WHAT

WTF

MARA

STOP LETTING BERT TEACH YOU BAD THINGS

Bert where's Mara

GM YOUR NEXT POST BETTER VOTE BLONDE OR YOURE GETTING QUICKLYNCHED ON HIS SCUMFLIP

SERIOUSLY HIS POSTS GIVE ME CANCER

NOTSCI

THIS IS ONLY LIKE HIS THIRD GAME

CALM THE FUCK DOWN

QUICKLYNCHES ARE UNHELPFUL, THIS IS A MICRO

MARA THAT WAS PROBS A SOFTCLAIM

OK, can we stop arguing now? I'm getting this strange feeling that this is TvTvTvT.

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Then where do you suggest we look GM?

Obviously in the people who've posted less.

And probably we shouldn't clog up the thread too much or nobody will replace in and make it readable.

GM I seriously am fighting the urge to vote this guy even with what you just pointed out suggest better blood ASAP

I realize he's annoying you, but that's not a scumtell. What do you think of Lark, as well?

lol you already softed, so I have seriously 0 reason to read any more of your posts/respond to any of your posts because unless someone else does your alignment is town.

That's a terrible outlook.

Why do you think this is a terrible outlook?

p-edit: Is it terminal? I think that it's pertinent that you explain your original suspicion. You don't agree?

Do you feel he hasn't?

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That's not impossible. He does kinda remind me of my first game before I chilled out and stuff.

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Yaawwwnnnnnn

I caught the soft, but I don't actually believe it, GM.

I'm not positive I believe it either, but I'm not thinking he's Scum and certainly not today's lynch.

@notscience can you provide proof that you aren't scum ?

Dude, first rule of proving things: burden of proof lies on the person making a positive assertion. Second rule: You can't prove a negative.

Re: 36, I did go back to it later when Bert commented on it. Re: 49, I didn't think it needed a response from me and I was curious to see if anyone else followed it up, which was why I thought you made it. What response did you expect from me on it then?

I expected you to talk to me.

@GM yeah this guy is newbtown

Ehhhh, I'm not convinced. But I could be convinced to join your current pet wagon.

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@Marabert: One of you can read notsci, right?

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I expected you to talk to me.

Why didn't you ask me directly then? How was I to know that was aimed at me rather than just you noting your thoughts in the thread?

If someone talks about you in real life and you can hear them, what do you do?

@GM I wish we could reliably read ns, though Bert feels like he is town and I don't have any reason to think otherwise, so.

I see. I just keep getting really paranoid about him. He's fooled me badly before.

Also, V/LA until Friday evening EST.

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liar liar pants on fire

Open 514 past completed game Masons Mafia Ffery game just sayin

Oh yeah, bring that one up, not like it was literally my worst scumgame ever or anything.

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@Zekrom: For what reasons do you think notsci is Scum?

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@GM yeah this guy is newbtown

Ehhhh, I'm not convinced. But I could be convinced to join your current pet wagon.

I'm not following this: you and notscience were voting the same person already?

Are we? I thought I was still on Lark.

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@Zekrom: For what reasons do you think notsci is Scum?

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@Zekrom:

For what reasons do you think notsci is Scum?

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Ok, in what way?

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Am here and willing to switch if anyone else is on to switch too.

QUICK LET'S WAGON LARK

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Sooo... You two on Zekrom then, or me and PA on PA?

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I'd say Lark but it looks like only the three of us here so...

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Why did you feel it necessary to point out Mr Blonde's softclaim?

Generally speaking, these:

also, you're never going to be today's lynch?

sweetie, you just envoked the rage of the two tunnliest players ever and you, somehow, have the confidence to think that you can

try

and out-debate me. I always win, and as scum I am that much more potent. I've never been lynched D1 as scum. I'll let your imagination come up with the why

GM I seriously am fighting the urge to vote this guy even with what you just pointed out suggest better blood ASAP

Much better to head that wagon off at the pass and not waste our time running him up to a real claim.

Why does me pointing out his softclaim mean anything to you?
If I were Scum, I could just as easily have kept it under my hat, let the town lynch him or at least get a confirmation of his claim, and not worried about it. These are 2-man teams, and that's not a piece of info that's so time-sensitive as not to wait for Night.

idk mara removed the vote which is what she oughta do and i approve

she'll be back but like im skeered cos if im wrong that means tomorrows lylo and i dont wanna do that, but i got this feeling in my stomach that something might be astray especially GM

GM worries me a ton i feel she has been ignoring the key issues throughout the day and like made very few noteworthy comments other than stuff here and there about lark

she could do so much more, and she knows how capable she is of creating content and getting this game going. she been posting things that are parroty and easy to say and p obvious imo and she can do so much more like so

just sayin

ilu bert
idk what issues you wanted me to address tho

why you try to derail the Zekrom wagon D1

explain plz

I wasn't trying to derail it, just replying to ns's questions. His vote was the only serious one on zek so it was hardly a wagon anyway. GM's vote had been sitting there since rvs and although she seemed to go along with ns on it she wasn't very enthusiastic and tried to move off it later. See 244 and 253. Which is another point against her.

244 and 253 were posted with like 10 minutes left til deadline. Did you expect me to throw a tantrum and say NO I WILL NOT MOVE MY VOTE EVER (obviously

none of us read the fucking rules or anything

slimey didn't mention the whole deadline thing which I have forgotten the name of)

My vote on the slot was not an RV.

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Generally speaking, these:

also, you're never going to be today's lynch?

sweetie, you just envoked the rage of the two tunnliest players ever and you, somehow, have the confidence to think that you can

try

and out-debate me. I always win, and as scum I am that much more potent. I've never been lynched D1 as scum. I'll let your imagination come up with the why

GM I seriously am fighting the urge to vote this guy even with what you just pointed out suggest better blood ASAP

Much better to head that wagon off at the pass and not waste our time running him up to a real claim.

The second of those posts was made after you pointed it out so can't have been a part of your decision. The first was from a player who wasn't voting Mr Blonde, although they may have gone on to do so later, so wouldn't it have been better to wait and see if they did. Or to direct attention elsewhere to take pressure off him, rather than outing the cop and by doing so, more or less ensuring he would never have a chance to get any results?

The second of those posts is the one most indicative of notsci's state of mind at the time I pointed it out. He'd been tunneling Blonde since 80.
The first was from a player I know would absolutely follow through with their tunnel threat.
Directing attention elsewhere would not have been likely to solve that problem.
Why are you so concerned about not having Cop results? It's not like the game can't be solved without him.
Why are you so mad about me pointing it out?

Why does me pointing out his softclaim mean anything to you?
If I were Scum, I could just as easily have kept it under my hat, let the town lynch him or at least get a confirmation of his claim, and not worried about it. These are 2-man teams, and that's not a piece of info that's so time-sensitive as not to wait for Night.

My guess is that you were concerned that you might be lynched and your partner might miss the breadcrumb. (Quite likely seeing who it was.) It was also quite likely that he would have been the cop's target.

Except I wasn't being suspected. You may notice there were neither votes nor suspicion on me for the entirety of D1.
Why would it matter, then, that my partner could miss the crumb? I'd be perfectly able to tell him at night. There was never any danger for me.

Also, why would I drop an early vote on my partner and leave it there? Why not come up with a reason to vote someone else (like you, for instance, who provided plenty)?

244 and 253 were posted with like 10 minutes left til deadline. Did you expect me to throw a tantrum and say NO I WILL NOT MOVE MY VOTE EVER

244 was posted an hour before the deadline. With four votes to lynch there were three wagons, each with two people on them, and instead of switching to one of them to get a lynch, you want to start a brand new wagon?
What did you mean by the second part of 252, by the way?
253 was 40 minutes before deadline. If you wanted to switch to me why didn't you do it then, since HKC had voted me? The tone of this post gives me the impression you were quite happy to have a missed lynch while your vote was on Zek to give town cred later.

An hour and 10 minutes are not that much different in terms of time pressure at deadline. Yes, I suggested a wagon on you, since I didn't really like the other wagons available to vote on and it didn't look like anyone wanted to hop on with me and notsci.
The second part of 252 means that I was definitely not moving my vote to notsci, so either we could all vote Zekrom or I'd vote PA and she could selfhammer.
Because only the three of us were active then (HKC, PA, myself). Not enough for a lynch, in actuality. Good try though.

My vote on the slot was not an RV.

Ok, maybe not, but it was a very early vote arising out of rvs and you never said anything about it later. The closest you got was the last line of 164.

Why would I spend so much time pimping my vote when I was busy scumhunting?

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Bert thinks notscience is scum. *shrug*

botched attempt by ns to get a quick lynch on Lark

scum say as scum does what can i say mara

I think notsci could be Scum but it's far more likely Lark.

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Oh u.

Even PA is more likely than you are.

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Mara, Bert. It's Lark.

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Vote: Lark

V/LA until Tuesday

~Noted

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Bert thinks notscience is scum. *shrug*

I don't think ns would have bussed his partner for so long when he could have easily got away with switching to me well before deadline.

You say this about notsci but you don't say it about me?

The second of those posts is the one most indicative of notsci's state of mind at the time I pointed it out. He'd been tunneling Blonde since 80.
The first was from a player I know would absolutely follow through with their tunnel threat.
Directing attention elsewhere would not have been likely to solve that problem.
Why are you so concerned about not having Cop results? It's not like the game can't be solved without him.
Why are you so mad about me pointing it out?

They are only two players. It would have taken four to lynch and seeing as Mr Blonde was looking pretty town from the start I doubt he was in any great danger.
I'm not mad about it. It doesn't bother me, but it's a scummy thing to do which is why I'm following it up. I would expect a townie to keep quiet about it.

Because those two could easily have "persuaded" one or both scum players to join them on the wagon? Nice to confirm a Cop if you can, rather than just have the softclaim.
I still don't understand why you think a Scum player in no danger wouldn't keep quiet about it.

Except I wasn't being suspected. You may notice there were neither votes nor suspicion on me for the entirety of D1.

Yes there was a vote, although it didn't stay there long.

It doesn't appear on any VCs. Either way, the fact that it didn't stay on kinda proves my point.

Also, why would I drop an early vote on my partner and leave it there? Why not come up with a reason to vote someone else (like you, for instance, who provided plenty)?

I got the impression from post 219 that you thought you

had

moved your vote to me.

And wouldn't that post have been the perfect excuse to drop it there?

An hour and 10 minutes are not that much different in terms of time pressure at deadline. Yes, I suggested a wagon on you, since I didn't really like the other wagons available to vote on and it didn't look like anyone wanted to hop on with me and notsci.
The second part of 252 means that I was definitely not moving my vote to notsci, so either we could all vote Zekrom or I'd vote PA and she could selfhammer.
Because only the three of us were active then (HKC, PA, myself). Not enough for a lynch, in actuality. Good try though.

I think any lynch at that point would have needed HKC's vote.

At that point there were 2 people on PA, IIRC. Therefore the two of us could have achieved her lynch without HKC.

Why would I spend so much time pimping my vote when I was busy scumhunting?

I didn't see much scumhunting going on there.

Just because you don't like the scumhunting you see doesn't mean it isn't there.

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You say this about notsci but you don't say it about me?

He was actively bussing. Yours was very passive.

This reminds me of what Tracey said about me in LyLo of N1308. It was wrong then too.

At that point there were 2 people on PA, IIRC. Therefore the two of us could have achieved her lynch without HKC.

Nope. Only Zek was voting PA then. You would have needed HKC to put their vote back there.

Well then I'm silly.

Just because you don't like the scumhunting you see doesn't mean it isn't there.

Convince me. My vote isn't set in stone.

Convince you of what? That you're Scum?

And did you just forget to mention that your vote had put me at L-1?

Forgive me for believing that the players in this game can count.

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PA, who is Scum?

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See Mara? Now Lark is being graspy as fuck. What part of "LARK IS SCUM" is still unclear?

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It isn't notsci. It could be pa, based on the recent post there.

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Yeah, it's still Lark. Nothing more to say.

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Cool.

So. Notsci. You didn't take sides at the opening of today. I'm not sure whether that's scummy or towny coming from you. The only real reason I've been so sure you're Town so far is because you agreed with me at the beginning and that was the right lynch.
Is it impossible for you to have been bussing? No. Is it unlikely? I have no idea.

HKC seems like the likelier Scum, but the NK makes no sense if it's them because I've been townreading you the whole game and was starting to suspect pa at the end of the other day.
Yeah this is WIFOM, but why not kill me?
And what was up with 417?

So this is where my head is at.

I don't know why it's all written towards notsci.

I can't be bothered to change it.

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Yeah, so nobody's been posting in this game and I'd like to read you two kthx

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waiting for you two to crossvote

You're hilarious.

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I'm not, which is why I wanted you guys to talk about stuff.

Is this poster Mara or Bert?

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Did you know plurality is possible?

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I'm having a difficult time believing that you would unvote and lose that advantage as scum, but then, maybe that's just what you'd like me to think.

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Your self-awareness is what worries me.

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shush i am thinking

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I want to hear again from notsci before I vote.

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ughhhh i hate this

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Ehhhhhh I'm really considering lynching notsci now

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But why would HKC kill pa?

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Hmmmmmmmm. This is hard guysssssss

Whyyyyyyyyy

kill meee

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Ugh. I don't even care anymore.

Vote: notsci

This is probably wrong.

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Welllll that's good then.

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Wellllll honestly the towniest thing from notsci today was the AtE, like it was really convincing and is why I can't trust you ever.