NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.1

Acidic_TACO (2) - emeraldemon, Garmr
emeraldemon (2) - Bulbazak, Tebow
Aegor (2) - Brian Skies, Acidic_TACO
Brian Skies (2) - Aegor, Chevre
Garmr (1) - OhGodMyLife
Nobody Special (1) - WBOCampfire1104
Tebow (1) - The Goodfather
Maenara (1) - Sotty7

Not voting (7) - Albert B. Rampage, emogirl123, kabooooom, Maenara, Maestro, Nobody Special, Slandaar


With nineteen players alive, it takes ten votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Tuesday, 4th February 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-02-04 20:00:00)).

[Slandaar]

The sample scum role PM also says 'You are a Mafia Goon' not 'You are a [TYPE] Mafia Goon.' It seems unlikely to me Huntress would deliberately reveal the exact size of the scumteam(s).

The sample PM didn't remove type but did remove an XXX to hide how many scum there are? I see!

Maybe the sample PM wording is exactly the same as the real PM's after-all that is the point of them. Mafia Goon could be coloured to indicate the team.

In any case - why do you believe speculating on this at this specific point in the game is useful?

What do you mean at this point in the game?

It is something to talk about, to generate discussion, that is what the point of RVS is.

[Garmr]

The sample scum role PM also says 'You are a Mafia Goon' not 'You are a [TYPE] Mafia Goon.' It seems unlikely to me Huntress would deliberately reveal the exact size of the scumteam(s).

The sample PM didn't remove type but did remove an XXX to hide how many scum there are? I see!

Maybe the sample PM wording is exactly the same as the real PM's after-all that is the point of them. Mafia Goon could be coloured to indicate the team.

In any case - why do you believe speculating on this at this specific point in the game is useful?

What do you mean at this point in the game?

It is something to talk about, to generate discussion, that is what the point of RVS is.

We should wait till day 2 before we jump on the multiball wagon.

[Chevre]

Huntress: Is there any way we could get clarification on this? As to what the definition of "mountainous" is, and does such a game type forbid multiple mafia teams?

[kabooooom]

Ok. I dont understand few terms, what is multiball? VI?
thats it for now.

[Chevre]

Multiball means more than one anti-town faction. So the debate in this game is if there is only group of Mafia or two groups, which I think is the limit for normal games.

VI stands for Village Idiot, and as you can imagine that's a derogatory term you call someone when you feel they are playing rather stupidly.

[Huntress]

Huntress: Is there any way we could get clarification on this? As to what the definition of "mountainous" is, and does such a game type forbid multiple mafia teams?

The wiki entry for "Mountainous" is the only definition I know. It simply refers to the lack of power roles.

[Nobody Special]

I would say that 16:3 is far too out of balance to be approved as a Large Normal, so it's highly likely we're looking at 13:3:3.

That said, speculation on it is useless until Day Two.

[emogirl123]

lmao where did all my votes go. Slandaar vote me please.

Better yet since your new do you know what a day-vig is. It's a townie that kills someone during the day phase.

daykill emogirl

So the premise of your vote on me is that I am new to this game. How would you react if I'm not? Is your vote still for pressure or are you scum reading me for god knows what.

Should have been clear to you by this point that I was not going to fall for a day-vig? Seriously, who would fall for a day-vig these days, especially when most people signed up for this game for the purpose of signing up for a mountainous game.

You probably guessed by now my daykill was faked. I saw the amount of games you did and thought I'd give it a shot to sort you out. I underestimated you because your newer and you didn't fall for it.

Of course I didn't fall for it, it should have been clear. You just spout out nonsense trying to look like you are validating new players even when it is clear that they are not new? I don't see what you were trying to accomplish other than act like you pro town without generating new content.

VOTE: Garmr.

Also Slandaar is probably town.

[emogirl123]

Note that my activity will be a bit off since I am currently in two games. I never play multiple games at the same time. This will be my semi V/LA warning until my other game finishes as I am not as devoted to this game at the moment.

[emogirl123]

Role spec is not my speciality, so leave me out of it please. If you wonder what I thought, I assumed there were 4 scum in one team. I'm half assing a town read on Slandaar because suggesting that this game could be multiball generates discussion, which is more than what half of you people are doing.

[emogirl123]

I assumed there were 4 scum in one team.

The wiki entry for "Mountainous" is the only definition I know. It simply refers to the lack of power roles.

11:2 Mountainous has an expected win rate of 36.2%, which is better, but not nearly what public expectation was.

I assumed there were 4 scum because I never played any other Large Normal before, but I recall there being 4 scum in a Large Normal for some reason. Now looking at the 36.2% win rate for town based on pure statistics for 13 players, it isn't too much of a stretch to have 16:3 if you look at the ratio.

This is my role spec.

[Nobody Special]

No, that's set-up spec. Role spec is when you speculate about individual roles.

[emogirl123]

Right. Set-up spec. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to scale 11:2 to 16:3. Also the first post of the game suggested that there are 3 scum anyways.

[emogirl123]

I would say that 16:3 is far too out of balance to be approved as a Large Normal, so it's highly likely we're looking at 13:3:3.

We are just scaling up 5:1 with an approximate 36.2% win rate for town. I forgot how to calculate statistics, but I don't think scaling up a ratio increases the probability of town to win. Correct me if I'm wrong. Statistically it is 36% for town to win with a swing based on the ability of players. Why would it be highly likely that it is 13:3:3 when originally town is already at 36% win rate.

[Nobody Special]

That said, speculation on it is useless until Day Two.

[emogirl123]

I'm just wondering why you were suggesting that 16:3 is out of balance because after looking at the wiki, I disagree.

[Aegor]

What is the point of speculation? If we care that much, NL today and see how many people die. Otherwise, let us just proceed seeking out scummy people.

VOTE: Garmr

[emogirl123]

Speculation isn't important, but the stance people take on it and their motivations for doing so are.

[Maestro]

What is the point of speculation? If we care that much, NL today and see how many people die. Otherwise, let us just proceed seeking out scummy people.

This.

Hey there friend-o.
VOTE: Maenara

[emeraldemon]

You're new but you know what multiball is?

I know how to search a wiki

So do you think bulba's town or scum for that vote.

If I had to pick one I'd say town, but it's probably just null.

Huntress: Is there any way we could get clarification on this? As to what the definition of "mountainous" is, and does such a game type forbid multiple mafia teams?

The wiki entry for "Mountainous" is the only definition I know. It simply refers to the lack of power roles.

I would say that 16:3 is far too out of balance to be approved as a Large Normal, so it's highly likely we're looking at 13:3:3.

That said, speculation on it is useless until Day Two.

If huntress had said "this setup cannot have multiball" that would have been very useful, so I think it was worth it to ask. As is, her response tells me that we can't rule it out, which is all I wanted to know.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll try to catch up on this soon.

[Maestro]

we can't rule it out

This is all any good Mod would've said, regardless of actual game setup, so I'm not sure what the point of this whole conversation was.
Obviously we have NO way of even discussing multiball without a flip + interactions or a multikill, so let's stop, k?

[Maestro]

ABP don't leave me hangin' I was looking forward to playing with you

[Garmr]

lmao where did all my votes go. Slandaar vote me please.

Better yet since your new do you know what a day-vig is. It's a townie that kills someone during the day phase.

daykill emogirl

So the premise of your vote on me is that I am new to this game. How would you react if I'm not? Is your vote still for pressure or are you scum reading me for god knows what.

Should have been clear to you by this point that I was not going to fall for a day-vig? Seriously, who would fall for a day-vig these days, especially when most people signed up for this game for the purpose of signing up for a mountainous game.

Didn't sign up for a mountingness game signed up for any random game only and got nabbed for this game when you said all your partners are vanilla.

You probably guessed by now my daykill was faked. I saw the amount of games you did and thought I'd give it a shot to sort you out. I underestimated you because your newer and you didn't fall for it.

Of course I didn't fall for it, it should have been clear. You just spout out nonsense trying to look like you are validating new players even when it is clear that they are not new? I don't see what you were trying to accomplish other than act like you pro town without generating new content.

I have pushed players thoughts and have got motives through my way of generating content is different from your come vote for me style.

What is the point of speculation? If we care that much, NL today and see how many people die. Otherwise, let us just proceed seeking out scummy people.

VOTE: Garmr

This a scummy post as a no lynch is a bad idea and you never point out reasoning why I you think I am scummy. This is opportunistic,omgussy and a nonsensical this where people should vote.