NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[KoreanBBQ]

Here's what we are going to do.

we are going to lynch the following players in the following order

Titus
Pie
Prophy
Zmuffin
Sakura
SAD
Norl
F16
KBBQ
GM/myself
Nacho/thor
Geists


because we can afford to, and it is beneficial for us to force scum to kill the stronger players as early as they can, and still have to deal with stronger players who can sniff scum out later on. We will be getting rid of the weakest links, getting rid of the people scum could easily be using as mislynch bait. we aren't even going to think of lyncing Norl down unless we have to, everyone below him is, what I consider to be, the town block (or, rather should be)

This seems like a good plan but I don't know why Norl and SAD are so low. The only thing that's kinda worring me about Muffin is his kinda switch on Proph. Like I remember him saying something along the lines of "[his] reads are so weird I want to call him town." And now he's hardcore scumreading Bert's slot and maybe trying to manipulate me.

[Casso the King of Seals]

We are good with voting SAD or Titus today.

I know what I want!

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

[Casso the King of Seals]

It does not follow that a vig softclaimer is scum if an actual vig is found; random people fakeclaim or softclaim vig all the time.

TBF, this isn't even the argument. Titus is arguing that I softclaimed vig and I denied that and my denial is a scumclaim since I 100% vig softclaimed and her "evidence" is that she softclaimed vig that way which totes ignores that Titus=//=Nero.

Actually KBBQ, Norlkaz has the argument right.


No one fakeclaims/fakecrumbs vig who is in their right mind. The real vig will kill them almost certainly. Your denial is to be expected. No one is going to say their actions were a softclaim of the dead vig. That's literally insane and not intelligent for either alignment. The evidence to me is pretty damning that your actions were a claim because I'd do it in the same manner. Does that mean I expect everyone to agree with me?

No. However, I do expect people to understand that it is rational for me to believe his behavior was a softclaim

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Will both of you respond to my analysis that Generic "bussing" me is impossible given the fact it would utterly bone the scumteam if successful?

Why wrt the bolded?

[Casso the King of Seals]

Well the first chunk of bolded.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Why would scum have a lack of conviction in their reads rather than a townperson.

The answer to this should actually be pretty obvious.

[Casso the King of Seals]

A policy scumread really? That's what you've got. Then fucking lynch me. Scum won't shoot me with the policy lynch for winning as scum. You'll then lynch me in lylo and we lose.

So just lynch me now and get it over with even though it's impossible for me to be scum.

[Casso the King of Seals]

I do like Arthur eviscerating Prophylaxis on his "votal analysis" so that makes me view more favorably. I am not sure if it is just a case of Proph being naive town and Arthur ripping him apart regardless of affiliation. "Votal analysis" is probably the most gimmicky pseudo-scumhunting tools I've seen in a long time.

Mara, why would we lynch you/GM before Casso? Are you combining how town someone is with how good a player is? Walk me through how you made that list.

It's gimmicky, but it's also fine in small doses and not horribly relevant to alignment.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Oh yeah i remember i was voting you on the basis for putting Gen at L-1 allowing him to self hammer and cut the discussion short.

I was not willing to go through the ssk day again. Plus there was literally no scum-motivation for me putting him at L-1 (especially since I considered he'd do it) because mara right above me voted RC, so to be sincerely honest if I was scum I would have either bused early or have let it ride out for a little longer.

Just because Mara voted RC doesn't mean that there's enough energy in the day to lynch RC.

[Ms Marangal]

My vote on RC wasn't because he was scum, anyway. the real reason is [REDACTED]

[Casso the King of Seals]

My vote on RC wasn't because he was scum, anyway. the real reason is [REDACTED]

But even if it was RC was clearly not getting lynched so SAD saying that his vote on Generic had "no scum motivation" is laughable.

[Ms Marangal]

MM, Pie is town. After me, lynch Prophy. He is obvscum.

I don't actually care about that right now. If I was lynching scumspects first, SAD and muffin would be a little higher up on the list. right now, I'm more than certain that you are scum, and that the remaining is within (Proph, SAD, and muffin) with an pretty unlikely chance of it being between Sakura and Norl. It obviously isn't a T/S list, otherwise I would suggest lynching us last.

I do like Arthur eviscerating Prophylaxis on his "votal analysis" so that makes me view more favorably. I am not sure if it is just a case of Proph being naive town and Arthur ripping him apart regardless of affiliation. "Votal analysis" is probably the most gimmicky pseudo-scumhunting tools I've seen in a long time.

Mara, why would we lynch you/GM before Casso? Are you combining how town someone is with how good a player is? Walk me through how you made that list.

My list is basically my town block being the last to get lynched and everyone before that rated in terms of scumminess, prospective usefulness to both alignments, and what has happened earlier on in the game.

my list also assumes no kills happen over night, which is unlikely though I am forcing scum to kill stronger players and I want our day play here on out reducing as much noise as we possibly can

why me/GM before Casso, is me assuming that we are alive the day before mylo/lylo and it is me saying that, if that is the case one of us should be lynched

Pedit: pretty much, yeah

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hahaha see this is the shit I mean Sakura.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Pathetic voting with no case and then you wonder why I'm not rolling head over heels trying to convince you I'm town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why would scum have a lack of conviction in their reads rather than a townperson.

The answer to this should actually be pretty obvious.

Are you stupid or do you like to pretend so to lower people's expectations from you?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Scum know who's town and who's not.

Town don't.

Yet mysteriously town are supposed to believe in their reads stronger.

Logic.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh yeah i remember i was voting you on the basis for putting Gen at L-1 allowing him to self hammer and cut the discussion short.

I was not willing to go through the ssk day again. Plus there was literally no scum-motivation for me putting him at L-1 (especially since I considered he'd do it) because mara right above me voted RC, so to be sincerely honest if I was scum I would have either bused early or have

let it ride out for a little longer

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Just because Mara voted RC doesn't mean that there's enough energy in the day to lynch RC.

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You don't even care about reading or figuring out my alignment right? Because otherwise you should've read the part I've bolded, and wouldn't make such a terrible statement.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So who's good enough to analyze mafiassk's whopping 34 posts for scum-relationship tells if he flips scum?

Tammy responded to this defense as if this wasn't something you cared about normally, which alarmed me. Why did you start caring about them here?

VOTE: SAD

This is literally all Casso has presented against me this whole game. And I've already justified my PoV. About 50 times.

[Sakura Hana]

Why are you getting agitated?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

A policy scumread really? That's what you've got. Then fucking lynch me. Scum won't shoot me with the policy lynch for winning as scum. You'll then lynch me in lylo and we lose.

So just lynch me now and get it over with even though it's impossible for me to be scum.

I agree the Titus AtE is pretty terrible but it's reading more of a defensive stance from town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why are you getting agitated?

Because there's a history of people mindlessly sheeping nacho/thor and I pretty much foresee it happening here again.

[Sakura Hana]

Because there's a history of people mindlessly sheeping nacho/thor and I pretty much foresee it happening here again.

Idk up until Day 3 people seemed to want them dead.

[Sakura Hana]

However I did request for town to work together, and you dont seem to be in the mindset for that anyhow. So I wouldn't mourn your death too much.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Working together =/= mindlessly sheeping nacho.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also I'm supposed to work together to secure my own lynch

[Hello Kitty Creampuff]

NEWSFLASH

nacho/thor isn't even the biggest pusher on your wagon, and he is the latest vote on your wagon, so I don't see where you are getting the "mindlessly sheeping" sentiment from. FURTHER MORE the people who were calling you scum yesterday weren't following Nacho.

also, I pretty much agree with 6954