NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[T S O]

If he is or isn't a Doctor, he's still claiming it. Meaning that if there's a Town Doctor, they'll have counterclaimed.

[Garmr]

Just had a thought but couldn't ice scum just cross fired with fire scum? Then again same rules apply only ice would know.

Kill flavor suggests not.

Didn't you wonder why Bulb was calling the kill fire?

I was just curious if it was a possibility. If I was ice scum I would already know if the kills were overlapped and I would keep it quiet and avoid the subject in fear of raising to much attention. If I was fire I would still be in the same boat as town and wouldn't know what ice would of done also still have the fear of raising to much attention.

Again: I think Toomai is scum. I think he may or may not be a doctor. I have seen scum do both and at this stage of the game I am trusting my read over their claim.

This is multiscum If he claimed doctor his going to get shot any way what's the point in pushing a lynch on him.

[Toomai]

This is multiscum If he claimed doctor his going to get shot any way what's the point in pushing a lynch on him.

So much this. Voting for me is a waste of a lynch. Pick someone who you both think is scum and isn't a free nightkill.

[RachMarie]

Actually I have seen people claim VT as scum, I have done it myself, not everyone comes up with some fake PR claim when they are scum.

[RachMarie]

That was to Slaan.

Yes the push seems a bit overkill by Des, but my experience in playing with him is he tends to tunnel hard and often does not want to give up tunneling. So that in itself is not enough to say Des is for sure scum. Need more reasons.

Bulb I know its not super helpful and I am sorry about that but I am still playing catchup in this game.

[RachMarie]

TSO stop that

If dude is lying and there is a town doc it is better they do not claim at this point. For example, say they CC and then one of the scum teams offs the CC at night, then we will have 2 kills a night again until we wipe out one of the scum teams.

Its too early for that lets focus on finding scum and not claiming PR status

[Slandaar]

Actually I have seen people claim VT as scum, I have done it myself, not everyone comes up with some fake PR claim when they are scum.

That wasn't really my point.

You can see her thought process; 'I am a VT, no point in claiming it doesn't help me so I won't' after being told multiple times to claim she claims VT which obviously does nothing for her, she says that as if resigned to the fact.

To have that clear a thought process of why she wasn't claiming is near enough impossible to replicate.

When I saw that post I was like

Its too early for that lets focus on finding scum and not claiming PR status

Lets do that!

Come on Rach, We are all expectant, we need your help to find the scumsies, who are they and why?

[RachMarie]

I still think Aptil is scum hence where my vote is.

[Slandaar]

I was just curious if it was a possibility. If I was ice scum I would already know if the kills were overlapped and I would keep it quiet and avoid the subject in fear of raising to much attention. If I was fire I would still be in the same boat as town and wouldn't know what ice would of done also still have the fear of raising to much attention.

Maybe you were a curious panda, maybe not.

Why do you think the kill was made by fire?

And to follow on; Why would the mod make biased (couldn't think of a better word) flavor to not make it clear if both scum shot Mastin and make it look as though only fire did?
(you can ignore that question if your answer to the first isn't flavor - for now)

[Slandaar]

I still think Aptil is scum hence where my vote is.

Why?

[RachMarie]

I have some doubts about Pere too this is feeling much like scum Pere in Doctor Who.

Look at how they both jumped on me no cases no real reasons just oh she is a low hanging fruit and VLA then sick. Aptil actually projected his own behavior to state why he thinks I am scum. He did not even get the facts straight (misrepped something fierce).

[RachMarie]

Aptil's case on me

This is the second time in 3 days Rachmarie is active only when she thinks a lynch has happened . RM oppurtunistic scum for sure .

The reality

VOTE: Yuni

Da Hammer

Hammered this one

Did you just hammer him when we were waiting for people to talk first?

Here I did question because I thought we were waiting to give people a chance to talk..

How does that count as 2 times in 3 days?


As for Pere his reasoning to vote for me was based on some statements Slaan made early on, sheeping him just on that even though Slaan had not even voted for me just made statements.

So yeah feel pretty good about Aptil and Pere being scum.

[Slandaar]

I will post (a lot) later, who else do you think is scum Rach?

[Garmr]

I was just curious if it was a possibility. If I was ice scum I would already know if the kills were overlapped and I would keep it quiet and avoid the subject in fear of raising to much attention. If I was fire I would still be in the same boat as town and wouldn't know what ice would of done also still have the fear of raising to much attention.

Maybe you were a curious panda, maybe not.

Why do you think the kill was made by fire?

And to follow on; Why would the mod make biased (couldn't think of a better word) flavor to not make it clear if both scum shot Mastin and make it look as though only fire did?
(you can ignore that question if your answer to the first isn't flavor - for now)

I thought the fact that fire kills are always read first they always got priority killing. On the pokemon online mafia they made it so there's no possible way to draw so if you landed on a mutiscum game team A would have priority killing.

It goes Serial Killer>werewolf(which is PGO version of serial killer except can be Nk)>mafia team A>Mafia team B and so forth I think they may of got rid of of this in the theme games through.

[PeregrineV]

As for Pere his reasoning to vote for me was based on some statements Slaan made early on, sheeping him just on that even though Slaan had not even voted for me just made statements.

So yeah feel pretty good about Aptil and Pere being scum.

Not even sure what this means, but pretty sure that's not the reason you're scum.

But, let's talk about Desp instead. Is he town, ice scum or fire scum?

[aptil]

@RM: By 3 days: 3 game days not actual days .

[aptil]

Replace me out

. I am sorry for this .

[Slandaar]

OK first off;

Aptil what the heck was that hammer?

We were no where near deadline and I am still working on catching up which with all the down time of the site has not been easy.

Post 1 after a hammer on Dry.

That being said, it is probably a town derp hammer. Though it is multiball so by itself is not enough to be a solid town read. uggh

Well will work on catching up more while we are on night I guess.


Was going to let all my games know I would not be on much at all tomorrow since we will be flying to TN for the holiday, and to look at some houses. We may end up moving there.

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INTENT TO HAMMER Yuni

Claim

Around as soon as Yuni hits L-1 to hammer

VOTE: Yuni

Da Hammer

Hammers obviously this is ISO post 11.

So, that is a good % of her posts around hammers then take the following into consideration as she thinks a hammer has happened.

Did you just hammer him

when we were waiting for people to talk first?

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hmm Aptil could be fire since EPM is ice based on the cop that copped him...

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Thats ISO #13; 6/13 are posted around times she thinks someone is hammered/being hammered.

Aptil's observation is completely legitimate, there isn't a misrep, I know this because I also noticed this trend in her activity levels. Is it coincidence? maybe, but Aptil sure isn't scum for making the argument.

[Slandaar]

Ok. It took more than expected but I finally finished reading. I agree with Rach that there's a lot of stuff from you here to read (and reread to assimilate).

Not buddies with Rach.

I also have the impression that multiscum games are a bit easier for us the town,

Horribly worded 'us the town' really really fake.

Also, I'm still wondering if Aptil's blatant hammer makes sense as scum, because I suppose scum has to be more careful so would think it twice before hammering like that. But I can also imagine scumAptil defending a scumpartner from becoming a counterwagon, and after hammering making his defense with the WIFOM argument of: "scum wouldn't hammer like that". I suppose I must reread and ISO a bit to solve this, but Dry didn't look that scummy IMO, especially in the end of D1, when Aptil hammered, as some of you pointed out. Thoughts anyone?

Lots of waffle.

Finally (and maybe stating the obvious), assuming three scum per group (still wondering how you reached to that conclusion),

Horrible, honestly, hes 'still wondering how the conclusion is reached' then ask. It reads like he knows the assumption is correct.

bussing is something scum would hardly avoid in the first days (if not in the whole game), right? So, people who were pushing Maxeous are clearly not fire, especially Yuni, who I'm also reading as town.

Yuni was pushing Max, Yuni isn't fire, Yuni is town.

NJAC is Icescum, makes sense with Rach in Firescum.

And later; (80ish posts)

II'm having a hard time reading TSO and Yuni.

So, NJAC is scum, Rach is scum. Lets lynch one of them (Rach so I can be conftown)

[Desperado]

Unvote
Vote: Rach

[T S O]

that's admittedly a good vote.

[PeregrineV]

that's admittedly a good vote.

Is he bussing or voting to kill the other scum?

[RachMarie]

Why are you white knighting Aptil so much Slaan?

That is not what he said. Yes I did talk about hammers but I did not only complain about hammers. I also did one of the hammers.

Meanwhile I still think Aptil is scum I also think Pere is scum.

Pere as for who is fire and who is ice I really dont know that yet, other than the flipped read. I am just trying to find scum cause whether they are fire or ice they are still scum and we need them gone. Do you have anything else besides Rach is scum and asking me about Des?

[T S O]

that's admittedly a good vote.

Is he bussing or voting to kill the other scum?

He's not bussing, that's for sure.

[PeregrineV]

Why are you white knighting Aptil so much Slaan?

That is not what he said. Yes I did talk about hammers but I did not only complain about hammers. I also did one of the hammers.

Meanwhile I still think Aptil is scum I also think Pere is scum.

Pere as for who is fire and who is ice I really dont know that yet, other than the flipped read. I am just trying to find scum cause whether they are fire or ice they are still scum and we need them gone. Do you have anything else besides Rach is scum and asking me about Des?

I have to find scum one at time.

I suspect one of them might be you.

I suspect another might be Desp.

I'd like to hear what you think about Desp.