NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Tony PF]

Which are the reasons Chevre said, are they not?

Partially, but there is the part about overconfidence.

[Zdenek]

I am currently voting ABR.

Do you think I am bussing ABR?

[The Fonz]

I didn't say you never took a position. I said your questioning felt weird and a little directionless. It feels like you're asking a lot of these questions for the sake of it, rather than to drive your analysis - the two things often seem disconnected. And you notably didn't do this in the last large normal you played. These things are enough to create a feeling of unease about you.

I ask questions to try to figure out where people are coming from and to interact with them, and I'm pretty sure that you're wrong about me doing it the last large normal I was in. I just ISO'd myself in the last large normal I was in, searched for "?" and it's pretty clear to me that I did do it.

I noted the huge number of questions in this ISO, and compared them to your last town large normal ISO. There is SUBSTANTIALLY more direction to your questioning in that one.

When I've asked a question of a player, it's because I really want to know something. If they then prod-dodged for thirteen pages and five days, I sure as shit wouldn't just let that go.

Well, laa dee daa, you are so self-righteous.[/quote]

I'm trying to help town. If you're not, fuck you.

And I love how quickly you allege 'trying to paint you as scummy' when all I've said is there's things about you that make me uncomfortable.

If you don't think that it's scummy why are you so focussed on it? If you actually don't think that it's scummy, then it's hilarious that you're "uncomfortable" about me for asking questions because you think that they aren't informing my reads. The way I see it, is that you are making a soft-attack on me in such a way that you can back down from it.

Fucking seriously? I notice some potentially scummy things about you. I also point out an aspect of your play I have a hard time seeing coming from scum. I'm talking about it a lot, because you made such a big deal about it so of course I have to respond to you asking for my justifications. You jump immediately to the idea that I'm trying to fabricate a case on you because I happen to think some of your play is questionable. If I were trying to push a case on you, I'd be, y'know, voting you. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because I defend my reasoning at length when it's attacked, it's the thing I'd be talking most about had you not responded in the accusatory way you did.

Before I ask a question, I don't know how the person is going to respond. The answers certainly could inform my reads, and asking people to take stances is usually worthwhile.

If you don't have some idea of what a townish response is, and what a scummy response would be, then your questioning looks an awful lot like fake or ineffectual scumhunting to me. I didn't get that feeling, at all, from NY165, even knowing your alignment - it felt a lot more purposeful.

Pre-edit: You know the part about overconfidence is bullshit, right? Also, why does it make ABR scum

with your other two suspects?

I don't think scum often make 'it's me or him' proclamations about their partners.

[Aegor]

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Tony PF]

Pre-edit: You know the part about overconfidence is bullshit, right? Also, why does it make ABR scum

with your other two suspects?

I don't think scum often make 'it's me or him' proclamations about their partners.

1) Really raw newbie here, as has been stated, so no I did not know that.
2) I never said they were

necessarily

scum buddies.
Oh, screw it.
UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: Zdenek

But if this wagon goes nowhere I am prepared to switch back.

[Zdenek]

See what you've done Fonz?

[Bulbazak]

Unvote

Vote TonyPF

[Tony PF]

Unvote

Vote TonyPF

[Bulbazak]

I know. I forgot the space.

[Chevre]

Everyone: Top three scumreads. Go.

TonyPF

Garmr

Aegor

I think you should push for my lynch over the other 2 if your scum reading me. You start pushing hard now and we will have our little back and forth town see's your scum and i'm town you get lynched we have a scum flip then I get night killed.

This post is pretty aggressive for a mention of suspicion that isn't even a vote.

OK, just want to point out that kabooooom had no activity between "hey I'm back" and announcing he's V/LA again.

I agree with Fonz's point about Nobody Special--it really bugs me that he's calling me ineffectual town. Zekrom and kabooooom I guess fall into this category of people who I don't even really feel are trying, regardless of alignment.

Tony is following a strategy set out in QT-land to come after me. Emo did the same, and Tony isn't diverging. They want me gone.

At first I was thinking this post was getting way ahead of itself, but come to think of it, emogirl's first post was that chide-y one where she basically insulted all players and voted ABR without reason.

[Nobody Special]

Prod dodge.

A lot has happened, and I have to catch up before I can list my top 3.

[Zekrom25]

hmm....

[Tony PF]

I know. I forgot the space.

No, not that. It's that they're BOTH on my scum list, and if ABR isn't going to the noose then we still need to lynch someone.

I'd rather it not be me.

[Tony PF]

hmm....

You're still gonna get policy lynched at some point.

[Sotty7]

kabooooom

Because lurker sauce? I can get down with that.

Hey Fonz, which questions didn't I follow up on? Because it looks like you're just copying something Sotty said here? But upping the ante.

TBH, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to Sotty. I can't remember any of her case on you. But sure, it's easy enough to find in your ISO. Just a stream of questions which seem to exist for their own sake. Let me go find.

Yup, thank you. It's almost questions for questions sake. I thought I was the only one seeing it.

I was half expecting to come back to a lot missed but it isn't really too much which is kinda helpful and a little unsettling at the same time. Thankfully I have more time later next week to actually dig a little deeper into the game than just a surface read.

I did think a little more about OGML vote on me and I don't really like it much considering yesterday he seemed more than perfectly happy to have me follow him everywhere, he barely mentions me even when asked about our pairing he ignores it. But today I am scummy enough for a vote? I would have thought he would have mentioned some unease about me yesterday following him around or maybe the timing is off, I'm not sure. I would just like a more detailed reasoning outside "wagon analysis." when he comes back from his prod.

[The Fonz]

See what you've done Fonz?

I prefer him voting you to voting ABR. I'd rather he vote Nobody Special, but this is at least an improvement.

Hey Tony, who's the scummiest player outside the three everyone's talking about?

[Thor665]

@Fonz - what's your take on Inhim?

@Sotty - how would you feel about a shift to Inhim?

I'm asking because I'll admit to a gut town on Zdenek right now. I could possibly even swing over to a Nobody at this stage because...meh, I don't really have a take there one way or the other and I like that better than ABR or Zdenek as a lynch choice.

[The Fonz]

@Fonz - what's your take on Inhim?

Under my radar. I'll take a look.

[Tony PF]

Hey Tony, who's the scummiest player outside the three everyone's talking about?

I'd have to say it's that guy who said we should ISO, then vote Zekrom. That was Aegor, right? I could've sworn it was Aegor.

[The Fonz]

OK, on inHim, I'm leaning town. Has gut reads and strong town reads, which aren't that common among scum.

[The Fonz]

Also, there's a metric fuckton of lurk in this game, isn't there?

[Tony PF]

Also, there's a metric fuckton of lurk in this game, isn't there?

I see what you did there.

But yeah, I agree.

[Zdenek]

Fonz is probably scum - his town read on inhim is rather contrived in light of his scum read on me.

[Zdenek]

or uncomfortable read or whatever bullshit word he wants to use to describe it.

[Aegor]

Hey Tony, who's the scummiest player outside the three everyone's talking about?

I'd have to say it's that guy who said we should ISO, then vote Zekrom. That was Aegor, right? I could've sworn it was Aegor.

It was I.

I am on most of the top three lists; just lynch me today. Get rid of kabooooom and Zekrom. You will not want to let them get close to lylo. Anyone who suggests otherwise should be lynched instead.