Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Thor665]

You guys, Mastin just posted but ignored EVERYTHING about me calling him scum. Time to lynch it.

For a game that hasn't hit 10 pages, I'm feeling pretty sure he's town. Do you want me to count the reasons why?

Sure, I could use a solid town read in this soup, since as far as post quality feel I am of the opinion we're still on page 1, maybe the top of 2.

[ActionDan]

You're saying you're town reading Chessball right now?
Or is this just a "theoretically they're valuable later" stance?

I feel like when I said "DGB is town", I was very clear.

[sekai no ki]

You guys, Mastin just posted but ignored EVERYTHING about me calling him scum. Time to lynch it.

For a game that hasn't hit 10 pages, I'm feeling pretty sure he's town. Do you want me to count the reasons why?

Sure, I could use a solid town read in this soup, since as far as post quality feel I am of the opinion we're still on page 1, maybe the top of 2.

I wasn't asking you!

But, I'll answer anyway.

The clincher IMO is this snippet about dopog

Because by numbers alone, he's likely to be town. Because by the players in this game, he's likely to end up mislynched because he's not as intertwined. Because of my gut. And most importantly of all...because I said so.

The town motivation for posting this in response to Aegor's RVS vote saying he was pushing a mislynch is that it's true, and saying so it partially takes a mislynch off the table, or at least raises the bar on potentially scummy behavior needed for mastin to later push a mislynch.

Ah, but what if mastin and dopog are scumbuddies? Then, she's left a huge honking association in one of her first posts of the game. Which I can see scum-mastin doing because the inclination is to think why would she even go there if they're scumbuddies. But, that's for way past page 6 and if I see a lot of other signposts pointing in the scum direction.

Beyond the clincher, she's playing to draw a lot of attention for doing stuff she hasn't done in recent memory. And there are players in this game who will scrutinize her every post. It would be a lot easier as scum-mastin to stay within her recent town-envelope where doing so doesn't lead to stuff that is counter to a scum wincon.

[Alpazard]

Why didn't I get an Ellis role PM
/cries

VOTE: Sven

[Alpazard]

PITOLI WHY ARE WE VOTING SVEN

I'm seriously townreading mastin GIF and Thor, leaning town on Nero Aegor and the Valentyndra

[GuyInFreezer]

Why didn't I get an Ellis role PM
/cries

VOTE: Sven

VOTE: Alpazard

[Alpazard]

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

PITOLI WHY ARE WE VOTING SVEN

I'm seriously townreading mastin GIF and Thor, leaning town on Nero Aegor and the Valentyndra

Why are you freaking out about me voting Sven

No scum reads though? Awk

[Zdenek]

Scum claim = policy lynch, no way am I letting site meta drift that way

I think you're too late on that one.

Not you, I just can't lynch all these people claiming scum and there is actually town amongst them and that is really depressing

How do you know there's town among them? Which of them do you think it is?

This is a legitimate scumclaim, rather than Aegor's faked scumclaim, because it's taking the fun but instead of running with it (voting Aegor), he takes this approach, to avoid drawing attention to himself. Especially since Aegor (having self-voted first) would take the brunt of the blow. It's scum trying to blend in during the RVS, while also trying to avoid becoming part of something they'd rather avoid. (For instance, if Aegor got wagoned to, say, L-1, it'd be something a scum-Rubicon would want to be off of like the plague.)

You make good points and I like the cut of your jib.

Rubicon is town. Thanks, mastin.

I can't put my finger on it but I get the strong impression DGB is town.

Mastin is scum so you come in and try to discredit me by calling me scum, you are a totes Mastin buddy

You're probably not serious but I could see a mastin2 and BBmolla as both scum at this point on the grounds that they were both being weirdly serious in RVS: mastin2 for example, "I was the third-to-last to confirm; does that make me scum, too?" and his thing about me. BBmolla making a big deal about policy lynching people for claiming scum, exaggerated irritation with it, etc.

VOTE: mastin2

This post is a scum-claim.

Vote: Rubicon

[Svenskt Stål]

Not with that vote we dont

You're saying you're town reading Chessball right now?
Or is this just a "theoretically they're valuable later" stance?

How does town mastin looks like?

...well...if I think I have some manner of spotting town vs. scum mastin, and I say I don't have a clear look on the question yet and intend to let it simmer until I do, you asking me to specifically explain the tell now likely defeats my ability to use it to catch mastin due to increasing mastin's ability to try to counterplay to the tell I am using.

I don't really give a hang about secret tells and would be more than willing to explain the tell if I got a scum read on mastin off it - but can you explain to me why I should tell it to you now?

if mastins town game is close to his scum game then we should do no such thing

"Herro, I'm a post that says nothing about anything - like all of my posts thus far."

Hi Sven's post!

you could sheep me

[GuyInFreezer]

but can you explain to me why I should tell it to you now?

Curiosity + felt like a good question to ask.

[Svenskt Stål]

gif, thoughts on joining vezok with me

[dopog]

Hey all : )

vote bulbazak

Not liking it!

Hi @pereginev happy scumday kinda: what was the point of #123?

Rubicon is a bit what the heck but we're not giving him outs because of the "why would scum do that?" sentiment.

Coolies

[Alpazard]

I fear I am missing out on something since I don't get the Rubicon wagon. On one hand 108 does sound kind of stiff but on the other, I wouldn't expect scum to get jumpy so soon on an RVS wagon and OMGUS as a result (as was suggested) >>

[Zdenek]

Bulba what you got so far

Crippling insecurities.

This hardly seems like something you would say.

[Thor665]

I feel like when I said "DGB is town", I was very clear.

Awesome! So...what is it Chessball has done that looks townish to you?
Because all I see thus far is bog standard DGB stuff.

The town motivation for posting this in response to Aegor's RVS vote saying he was pushing a mislynch is that it's true, and saying so it partially takes a mislynch off the table, or at least raises the bar on potentially scummy behavior needed for mastin to later push a mislynch.

Ah, but what if mastin and dopog are scumbuddies? Then, she's left a huge honking association in one of her first posts of the game. Which I can see scum-mastin doing because the inclination is to think why would she even go there if they're scumbuddies. But, that's for way past page 6 and if I see a lot of other signposts pointing in the scum direction.

Beyond the clincher, she's playing to draw a lot of attention for doing stuff she hasn't done in recent memory. And there are players in this game who will scrutinize her every post. It would be a lot easier as scum-mastin to stay within her recent town-envelope where doing so doesn't lead to stuff that is counter to a scum wincon.

1. A playstyle change is as helpful to a scum wincon as a town wincon. Also, I don't personally think there has been much of a change.

2. Your other point is an extremely mild town defense equates to Mastin being town...I would personally submit there's probably multiple scumMastin games available including soft defense of lynch bait. Do you disagree?

you could sheep me

I could.
If I thought you had anything worth sheeping.
You don't.

Curiosity + felt like a good question to ask.

So..."no" as the response then?
Okay - in that case I'm dodging your pro-scum question.

[Zdenek]

Vote: SweatingChessball

Because based on my last 2 games with you both, you probably won't be around tomorrow.

If you somehow are, we may revisit this.

Shouldn't you be doing the opposite of voting them them?

It just seems like you've lost your mind. I mean why are you helping them to not be here tomorrow?

[Zdenek]

Valentyndra

Who is this?

[sekai no ki]

gif, thoughts on joining vezok with me

why are you voting him?

[Zdenek]

On one hand 108 does sound kind of stiff

You should probably just vote him for now, and trust that good things will happen.

[Alpazard]

gif, thoughts on joining vezok with me

why are you voting him?

I wanna know what made him "move on" from Bulbazak in the space of two posts.

On one hand 108 does sound kind of stiff

You should probably just vote him for now, and trust that good things will happen.

Good things come to those who wait!

[sekai no ki]

I feel like when I said "DGB is town", I was very clear.

Awesome! So...what is it Chessball has done that looks townish to you?
Because all I see thus far is bog standard DGB stuff.

The town motivation for posting this in response to Aegor's RVS vote saying he was pushing a mislynch is that it's true, and saying so it partially takes a mislynch off the table, or at least raises the bar on potentially scummy behavior needed for mastin to later push a mislynch.

Ah, but what if mastin and dopog are scumbuddies? Then, she's left a huge honking association in one of her first posts of the game. Which I can see scum-mastin doing because the inclination is to think why would she even go there if they're scumbuddies. But, that's for way past page 6 and if I see a lot of other signposts pointing in the scum direction.

Beyond the clincher, she's playing to draw a lot of attention for doing stuff she hasn't done in recent memory. And there are players in this game who will scrutinize her every post. It would be a lot easier as scum-mastin to stay within her recent town-envelope where doing so doesn't lead to stuff that is counter to a scum wincon.

1. A playstyle change is as helpful to a scum wincon as a town wincon. Also, I don't personally think there has been much of a change.

In terms of the bones, not much of a change at all.

2. Your other point is an extremely mild town defense equates to Mastin being town...I would personally submit there's probably multiple scumMastin games available including soft defense of lynch bait. Do you disagree?

I haven't played that much with scum-Mastin, and in both cases he pinged for me quite early in the game. I've spent several games squinting at town-mastin and wondering, though. I feel like some of his town play is coming into better focus in our recent games.

He probably does soft-defend lynch bait, though. It's an easy enough scum tactic. I didn't think this defense was all that soft, and it was really, really early.

you could sheep me

I could.
If I thought you had anything worth sheeping.
You don't.

Curiosity + felt like a good question to ask.

So..."no" as the response then?
Okay - in that case I'm dodging your pro-scum question.[/quote]

[sekai no ki]

screwed that up somehow. the last two quotes and answers weren't supposed to be there.

[Bulbazak]

vote bulbazak

Not liking it!

What don't you like?

Bulba what you got so far

Crippling insecurities.

This hardly seems like something you would say.

What would I say?

Okay, I've had some wine and a good night's sleep. I might actually be able to get a bit of a handle on this game now.

Unvote

Vote Alpazard

[Zdenek]

What would I say?

Something (over-)confident or (over-)aggressive. You must know this about yourself.

[Bulbazak]

What would I say?

Something (over-)confident or (over-)aggressive. You must know this about yourself.

Mastin says I'm an a-hole. And I'm not feeling very confident or aggressive right now.