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[GuyInFreezer]

Why are you townreading me?

Why not

Jeez explaining my read on someone who I read as town always makes me feel awkward, especially when I'm basing a lot of reads on gut and feels.
If I have to explain more than just "gut", my answer would be... your tone, I guess.
As in, I find your posts not overly-aggressive. I do have some twitches on seeing no aggression at all, but I'm counting that on you just being lazy regardless of your alignment.

Why are you townreading Toog?

Gut. Content wise I would put him at null. But my gut likes his post, especially 514.

Would you consider a Vezok wagon?

I could. I don't mind lending vote on someone who's in "The Rest" reads.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm going to do some ISOs later tonight.

Ffery why is GIF town?

[Zdenek]

So I don't understand why Rubi's actions are at all telling of PV's alignment or even his own with this really bad associative position.

So we're back to me being confused about your bumfuck do-nothing scumhunting.

Try reading the discussion again. Hint: I'm not saying anything about PV's alignment.

[mastin2]

Uh. Are you honestly trying to tell me that your endorsement of them is affecting my view of them? Its not.

Coulda fooled me.

So, on one hand, there are some players you'd like to see some pressure on.

You talking 'bout pidgey? 'Cause I said I'd be okay with pressuring that for very specific reasons (pidgey-pressure allows for reading of pidgey), but that I'd prefer voting scum. Who are where I'd prefer to be pressuring. Thus, my votes.

But a null read of *the entire player base* is not one of them because, hey, that must be a scum counter wagon.

Yep! Alpa's nulltown to me now, thanks to the very nature of being null to the entire town. Not wagoning that, 'specially since I don't see them having their alignment revealed with pressure yet no lynch.

A counterwagon generated by...me and GiF...neither of whom you're calling scum.

GiF read isn't town. And the wagon's support doesn't exactly seem town, either.

And stop just posting 'I'mma scum, I'mma scum!' with every post - it's not healthy regardless of your alignment.

Habits die hard. It'll lessen after I've calmed down.

Why aren't you sheeping me - man who isn't advancing much worth yelling about?

(Because he's scum.)

Him not being aggressive is .. not a tell?

So the wording isn't right, but the reasoning is. Majiffy's not posting like town Majiffy.

Inner Town Circle: AP, RedCoyote, Thor, Zdenek, Toogeloo
Outer Town Circle: BBMolla, Aegor (candidate for inner), Bulbazak, Peregrine, dopog
Rather not lynch today: Nero Cain, Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?

These people really need to step their game up or get dunked: DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Majiffy
Lynch, die, scum: mastin2, GIF, pidgey, Sekai

Stop sucking at this game.

His townreads are solid. Their only fault is not being more trusting of the first three (maybe also dopog). It's only after that when they begin sucking.

Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek,

mastin2

, GIF,

pidgey

,

Sekai

Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo,

Majiffy

The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine

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Vote: GuyInFreezer

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[AngryPidgeon]

So I don't understand why Rubi's actions are at all telling of PV's alignment or even his own with this really bad associative position.

He didn't say this affects PVs alignment, just that Rubi is likely town regardless of PVs.

[sekai no ki]

I think hes saying Molla is more town than most.

@Ffery: Right, calling my reads shit is an amazing post. Sorry for misinterpreting that as a bad post.

They may not all be shit reads. I've lost patience trying to figure out where your reads are coming from, though, and you're abysmally wrong about me, and getting more wrong over time.

[mastin2]

Ffery why is GIF town?

Very well could be scumbuddies.

[AngryPidgeon]

Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek,

mastin2

, GIF,

pidgey

,

Sekai

Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo,

Majiffy

The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine

...

Vote: GuyInFreezer

.

Why did you bold these names in GIFs llist?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok ok fine

Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek, GIF, pidgey, Sekai
Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo, Majiffy
The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine
Town but someone please call the Tank and make him throw the concrete at him or something: mastin2

Better now?

[AngryPidgeon]

They may not all be shit reads. I've lost patience trying to figure out where your reads are coming from, though, and you're abysmally wrong about me, and getting more wrong over time.

I dunno, I thought I've been pretty transparent all game and explaining things more than usual. Just ask Thor and RC.

[mastin2]

Why did you bold these names in GIFs llist?

Because they're absolutely horrible to have where they are, especially with no reasoning?

[Rubicon]

Right, I'm muddling my way through the pages I've missed, gonna trickle my thoughts into the thread while I work on putting them into words.

Vezok could be town. I like his reactions to being wagoned and the fact that he says Sven is "a townie tunneling" and that "in his mind I am scum and he doesn't understand why people don't see that too." Considering the context of the Sven wagon, I think this is a reasonably town reaction to asking themselves, "Why is this person so wrong about me?" Especially from vezok, I just don't see this exchange happening with scum-vezok.

I don't actually agree that Sven looks like town tunnelling, though. To me, the "case" feels like a poor attempt at fake scumhunting the easiest counterwagon to himself. His "I AM NOT FUCKING SCUM" post is all right but isn't very convincing to me. My experience is that town frustration should either seeth out of a person or explode in a sudden, violent burst of impotent fury that makes everyone stop and say, "Whoa." ALL CAPS, YELLING, swearing, etc. are tools scum use to pretend they're upset without actually having to do anything except push the cap locks button on their keyboard. (This is mostly in response to people who said he seemed genuinely frustrated, like Thor.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Why did you bold these names in GIFs llist?

Because they're absolutely horrible to have where they are, especially with no reasoning?

The only read that you bolded that I haven't explained is Sekai.

[Rubicon]

Red Coyote can be town.

[Rubicon]

pidgey is prob town for his "lol heres my reads withallth ese typos aye wat your post makes no fuckin sense Im startin to scum read you bro" or whatever. Feels enough like unconcerned town to make me like him.

PV said something pretty town that got lost in the downtime, can't find it now.

[GuyInFreezer]

And even then, fery is one of the players here that I'm pretty confident reading so

[Majiffy]

As in, I find your posts not overly-aggressive. I do have some twitches on seeing no aggression at all, but I'm counting that on you just being lazy regardless of your alignment.

Didn't we just go over about how my aggressiveness, lack thereof, laziness, etc. is neither a towntell nor a scumtell? Jesus.

Whatever, I'll let it ride for a while.

Gut. Content wise I would put him at null. But my gut likes his post, especially 514.

What do you think about his post where he continued the "I'm scum hurr hurr" argument that looks an awful lot like towncred-fishing to me?

I could. I don't mind lending vote on someone who's in "The Rest" reads.

Feel free to plaec voat.

Try reading the discussion again. Hint: I'm not saying anything about PV's alignment.

I figured it out. You typoed or otherwise left some words out that made the statement ambiguously herpderp.

[Rubicon]

BTW as I read through this I feel like there were questions I asked people that got lost. I'm not sure if the responses got lost or if nobody responded. If it's the latter, people should go respond to those things when they reappear.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because they're absolutely horrible to have where they are, especially with no reasoning?

1) GIF has provided reasoning for at least a few of these (if not in this exact post).
2) So why didn't you bold Vezok (obvious town) and Bulbazak (probtown) who GIF managed to misplace.
3) Really? GIF isn't allowed to townread you? Molla is townreading you for no adequately explored reason but hes SO FREAKING TOWN according to you.

[sekai no ki]

I'm going to do some ISOs later tonight.

Ffery why is GIF town?

because he keeps posting from what I see as a town mindframe. And because he keeps posting. scum-GiF is usually pretty lurky.

[BBmolla]

I think me having bad reads at this point is probably townie?

I have too many townreads so I'm wrong somewhere. Gimme 10

[Rubicon]

479 by Toog basically mirrors what I'd been wanting to say re: the wasteland of dull & obvious questions in Zdenek's ISO that he never bothers to follow up on.

Thinking about how Z played in Jason's Doctor Who large theme, it was noticably different (more insightful, better pokes at people).

[BBmolla]

I agree with sekai on GIF

[Majiffy]

Vezok could be town.

Consider;

what makes dopog town

also you should be able from memory say what you didnt like regardning majiffy

It was a gut read. I mean I read and I thought it was scummy cause of something that rubbed me the wrong way. I don't remember what exactly.

Majiffy on the other hand is the scummiest player still alive.

Nothing more substantive presented in between.

Still a town read? Shouldn't be.

[AngryPidgeon]

pidgey is prob town for his "lol heres my reads withallth ese typos aye wat your post makes no fuckin sense Im startin to scum read you bro" or whatever. Feels enough like unconcerned town to make me like him.

so all I have to do is start posting with typos for the rest of the game whilst making hollow assertions and you'll call me town too?