Micro 303: Tarot uPick - Game Over!

[Kagami]

Every post of his posts is a scum-post, and I don't see why hated makes a significant difference once it's been claimed.

I see GiF wrapped up micro 291, for those interested in reading a kagami scum-game. The town is weak and the setup is extremely scum-sided, though, so I'm not sure how predictive it is of how I'll play when I next roll scum.

[Kagami]

Do you see paranoia in his posts? Uncertainty? Attempts to divine players' alignments?

If it weren't for the lack of L-X in the vote counts, I would have taken 54 as an honest scum-claim.

[Nazarene]

I'm voting very, very obvious scum. I don't see what more I could do to demonstrate that I'm town.

Not make shitty votes and then couch them with vacuous statements of their correctness?

I have absolutely no completed games with either tier or aegor, and I have done nothing to deserve a scumread of such confidence that both heads of nazarene are in agreement of.

Why would that matter? Both heads agree that your play has been relatively scummy. You are asserting a conviction that does not exist.

There is an ongoing game, however, in which both aegor and I am in. Aegor believes I'm easy to mislynch.

Thanks for mentioning an ongoing game while depriving me of the opportunity to explain my actions without violating site rules.

Want to demonstrate that you are town? Stop pulling shit like that.

-A

[Nazarene]

@PN and TIP

: Post content, please.

[GuyInFreezer]

Every post of his posts is a scum-post, and I don't see why hated makes a significant difference once it's been claimed.

I see GiF wrapped up micro 291, for those interested in reading a kagami scum-game. The town is weak and the setup is extremely scum-sided, though, so I'm not sure how predictive it is of how I'll play when I next roll scum.

Gitl my setup was great stop lying

[GuyInFreezer]

Do you see paranoia in his posts? Uncertainty? Attempts to divine players' alignments?

If it weren't for the lack of L-X in the vote counts, I would have taken 54 as an honest scum-claim.

No early paranoia doesnt bother me though

[GuyInFreezer]

Like the moment of paranoia is different from people ti people.
Its a late game where people are suspicious for no paranoia.
I hpnestly dont know wheres your huge ego coming from

[TheIrishPope]

pretty sure kagami is scum, just finished a scum game with him
ask gif

[Kagami]

pretty sure kagami is scum, just finished a scum game with him
ask gif

You aren't reading the thread...

[Alduskkel]

The orc votes are kinda lazy, alduskkel's is horrible.

Doesn't make sense as a legitimate train of thought.

Why?
Got any other comments?

-Tier

Why is my vote horrible?
As for "why" well the obvious reason is that the pathway from aggression --> cooperation --> aggression in that short timespan is implausible as a town pathway.

[Kagami]

...
Gitl my setup was great stop lying

The game was fun, and you did a great job of modding, especially given that you had to spam prods. I didn't say it's a bad setup, it just favors the scum-team. If town had played differently, it could have been really interesting how things worked out with the protection, even if we had an edge.

I don't buy nazarene town, and I'm having trouble figuring out why I don't have any traction here. His posts feel very, very obv-scum to me; even his quoted hydra chat in 54 reads like scum trying to decide if they should claim hated rather than town deciding if they should tell everyone about it.

Even at that, isn't it odd that town-nazarene's heads "agreed" to claim hated, when they actually claimed hated because they were driven to L-1 and were fearful they'd be accidentally lynched?

I think ferry is far too careful to mod-slip like this, as well. Even if we don't believe that a hated player could be scum, it's entirely possible that scum-nazarene has a mod-given "hated" fake-claim, which ferry chose not to spoil by posting L-Xs.

TIP is scum too, btw.

[Nazarene]

@ald:
I don't exactly remember what your vote looked like when you made it, but gif pointed out how it looked badly and it did, really.

I don't remember the cooperation you are talking about, sadly. Why don't you think a townie trying to figure out the game would want to cooperate with a scumread? I do that all the time when I'm town and not tunneling.

What do you think of other players, for instance us and kagami?

I don't buy nazarene town, and I'm having trouble figuring out why I don't have any traction here. His posts feel very, very obv-scum to me; even his quoted hydra chat in 54 reads like scum trying to decide if they should claim hated rather than town deciding if they should tell everyone about it.

Point out the scumminess, honey. Just telling us about it won't help you.

Even at that, isn't it odd that town-nazarene's heads "agreed" to claim hated, when they actually claimed hated because they were driven to L-1 and were fearful they'd be accidentally lynched?

You suggest that we should have claimed hated only when we were done talking about it, ignoring the fact that we were at L-1?

I think ferry is far too careful to mod-slip like this, as well. Even if we don't believe that a hated player could be scum, it's entirely possible that scum-nazarene has a mod-given "hated" fake-claim, which ferry chose not to spoil by posting L-Xs.

Rly

Now stop mudslinging pls

-Tier

[Kagami]

You're deliberately ignoring the most substantial aspects of my post. GiF voted you to "L-1" at 9:53 am. You posted 12 minutes later saying "hold up, we're hated."

How does that interaction square up with the conversation quoted in 54? You prepared a draft of your hated claim, agreed to post it, then didn't, instead choosing a reactive "omg we're hated?"

[Kagami]

Hmm, ok, I misread the last bit of 54.

You claim that you had the draft, but were asleep while TS (who didn't have the draft) posted in the thread seeing that you're at L-1. I retract my earlier statement; this is pretty plausible.

[Kagami]

And Aegor doesn't post between 10pm the prior day and noon on the day in question, 2 hours after the hated revelation. Ok, I definitely believe that story.

[TheIrishPope]

piling of votes on kagami begins now

[Kagami]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TIP

[Nazarene]

piling of votes on kagami begins now

We should play together more often.

[Nazarene]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TIP

I heard you were useful as town???

-Tier

[Kagami]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TIP

I heard you were useful as town???

-Tier

I'm being as town as I can possibly be. You have consistently asked me to "be town," so what have you done yourself other than vacuously discrediting any vote placed on you? Orc is a "moronic town" and "lazy" for voting you, my counterpush is "awful" and "OMGUS," and aldusk's vote is "horrible."

You are essentially riding on GiF's belief that you are an IC due to a modslip from someone who I would describe as probably the least careless player on mafiascum.

TIP, meanwhile, says that I'm playing like my scum-self despite not having read the thread... and you think that's ok?

[Nazarene]

Why are you not voting us? Everything in your posts seems to suggest we are scum. Our heads are still in harmony, isn't that scummy?
Just the fact that our hated claim makes sense, is enough for you to deny your gut scumread? What happened to all our posts being scummy?

What do you think of orc's vote on us? Don't you think it's lazy?

Yeah I'm pretty much ok with tip's vote. You've been acting scummily and he has meta on you and he says it's your scum game. I haven't heard concrete arguments but neither have I heard meta-arguments for you-town.

[Kagami]

You have your own experience for me-town for one, experience that should have stopped you from even beginning this silly push on the basis of being "useless" on day 1.

I am not voting you because I'm confident GiF will disarm any attempt to lynch you, and he's the only active player who I think is town. Your partner is TIP, so I'm ok with that lynch too. TIP is a very sloppy and silly scum player, and the 107 is exactly the kind of mistake I would expect scum-TIP to make. I wouldn't expect you to ignore it if you were town.

[Garruk Relentless]

So Kagami's ISO seems no less useful than people like TIP yet she merits three votes, at least two of which have no reasoning. Not liking the wagon at all, and TIP-scum wouldn't surprise me.

TIP, one post to convince me I shouldn't go whine at Cabd to move our vote to you, please.

Nazarene, you hate the orc votes yet your recap of orc doesn't exactly present him as a town read. Why the discrepancy?

--PA

You missed the disappeared pages.

[Nazarene]

Uh my vote is not because you were being useless, read please.

Where's the slip exactly? I believe TiP is more of a clumsy town than a clumsy scum so eh I have no clue as to why you are voting him.

Nati, what do you think of tip?

[Nazarene]

I would only be willing to lynch Kag today if we lynch TIP tomorrow if Kag flips town. Discuss.

-A