In post 2074, emogirl123 wrote:his attitude
In post 1920, Aegor wrote:So if that explanation is unsatisfactory, lynch me right now and get it over with. But I really do not want to hear any of this again otherwise, and I do not want to be kept until endgame just to be lynched on something that happened on Day 3 and about which no new information can be acquired.
His attitude of being entitled to a town read if not lynched.In post 1924, Aegor wrote:I want Rainbow dead. I also do not want to hear any more crap about my involvement on the wagons yesterday, so either lynch me today or STFU about it henceforth.
I generally assume players are not terrible unless they give me reasons for thinking so. I still stand by this statement and believe Chevre should be lynched. The Aegor wagon is the most anti-town wagon that surfaced today.In post 1922, emogirl123 wrote:random thought: appealing for abr's replacement to join before lynching the slot instead of addressing why everyone is voting abr is the most incriminating of everything that had to do with abr/kaboooom. i'm so good at this game i post in my dreams
I don't think Aegor is just anti-town (see 1712). I think he is scum. I'd like to know which cases from him you like. Aegor's vote pattern today has been Bulb, RBD, Chevre, RBD, Bulb, kaboom, Bulb, kaboom. He also says he's scumreading inhimshallibe and highshroomish. He throws out these scumreads like candy on Halloween, but there hasn't really been much pressure that I've seen. There was a little on Bulba (1970, 1996), but then he backed off and is now voting kaboom again, for reasons I can't fathom (it's another vote without any explanation). I will say it seems kinda town to me that he'd townread the people leading a wagon against him (Thor and myself).In post 2052, Sotty7 wrote:I'm backing off on Aegor. I think a lot of people are voting him because they are annoyed with his "sissy fit". Yes I still very much dislike his wagon position at the end of the day but he seems to have two sides. One being the annoying anti town I am always right BS that sadly, a few players have in this site meta. But he is also pushing good cases today that some people like emeraldemon just aren't acknowledging. The more he makes those kinds of posts the better, but Rainbow is right, the behavior it's antitown which doesn't equal scummy. Unless of course anyone has any real hard meta against him, then speak now or forever hold your peace.
Here is Chevre asking us to wait for ABR's replacement before lynching him.In post 1680, Chevre wrote:Finally, if anyone is voting ABR over kabooooom simply because it is lurker slot, note this: ABR has asked for replacement (though with the increasing length of the game replace-ins aren't occurring as frequently). Meanwhile, kabooooom has not despite strings of V/LA with no contribution and even acknowledging his own inability to keep up.
Here is Chevre admitting that there are people willing to lynch ABR for reasons irrelevant to what his replacement will say.In post 1680, Chevre wrote:I understand that you may have true suspicion on ABR behind your vote, but if it's simply a vote to thin the lurker population in this game, there are better options than someone who is in the queue of replacement.
I think you're implying that this is an OK attitude for town to have, but it absolutely is not. Just because you haven't been lynched on any particular day or succession of days doesn't mean you deserve any town read. We've all survived this far, and some of us are scum. IIn post 2076, emogirl123 wrote:His attitude of being entitled to a town read if not lynched.In post 1924, Aegor wrote:I want Rainbow dead. I also do not want to hear any more crap about my involvement on the wagons yesterday, so either lynch me today or STFU about it henceforth.
Some people read my case because I talked with them about it, and I read Rainbow's case on me (and then made fun of it) and none of this actually matters to anything about what we're currently discussing.In post 2074, emogirl123 wrote:Thor the only reason any town would ever vote Aegor is because of his attitude. No one even read your case. I also doubt anyone read Rainbow's case for you.
Well, first off, i don't think he was trying to be subtle, and if he was he doesn't understand what subtle means. He was extremely unsubtle, and went out of his way to try to point out that he didn't care.In post 2076, emogirl123 wrote:Yes you presented a case for Aegor. Yes he has been awfully flaily during the kabooooom v ABR wagon. What does that accomplish? Subtly shoving down our throats the fact that he doesn't care about either wagon. Even if he subtly shoved this down people's throat, they still sense it, because shoving down Smurf down people's throats is uncomfortable.
Town should practice 'good play' but that is different from playing as if they have nothing to hide.In post 2076, emogirl123 wrote:Also for the people saying that town should play as if they have nothing to hide, we can take Aegor's play here as a counterexample. It is always important for town to stop for a moment and think about what they do.
I think you're rather twisting Chevre's words here to your own preconceived conclusions.In post 2078, emogirl123 wrote:Here is Chevre asking us to wait for ABR's replacement before lynching him.In post 1680, Chevre wrote:Finally, if anyone is voting ABR over kabooooom simply because it is lurker slot, note this: ABR has asked for replacement (though with the increasing length of the game replace-ins aren't occurring as frequently). Meanwhile, kabooooom has not despite strings of V/LA with no contribution and even acknowledging his own inability to keep up.Here is Chevre admitting that there are people willing to lynch ABR for reasons irrelevant to what his replacement will say.In post 1680, Chevre wrote:I understand that you may have true suspicion on ABR behind your vote, but if it's simply a vote to thin the lurker population in this game, there are better options than someone who is in the queue of replacement.
Both of these together with Chevre saying that Zekrom and kabooooom are playing the same lazy anti-town game, asking Zekrom to be replaced and saying that we should lynch kabooooom for no reason when ABR was in the process of being replaced makes Chevre scum.
I would say go look at his commentary about both Kaboom and ABR in *more* than the microcosm I first presented. He had a long running issue with both, and the core point is that though he did hop off ABR to make kabooom a bigger wagon...he did the same thing earlier in the day except he hopped off kabooom to push ABR.In post 2081, emeraldemon wrote:OK, so what makes him town?
I know he is going for the whole "whatever i don't care i just want to lynch anyone", but there is no reason for scum to say that out loud especially when another town requested to extend the deadline for ABR.In post 1748, Aegor wrote:In post 1738, Zdenek wrote:Mod: could you pause the deadline countdown until the player slots are filled.Mod, I implore you not to pause the countdown and only extend the deadline minimally, if at all.
Please don't try to tell him that terrible play gets him town reads.In post 2085, emogirl123 wrote:Also his general anti-town attitude, he acts as if he can spout out anything without consequence. Too ballsy.
In post 2085, emogirl123 wrote:but there is no reason for scum to say that out loud especially when another town requested to extend the deadline for ABR
I take HS as town by way of validating Zdenek's read on his townslip.In post 2084, Thor665 wrote:I'm kind of leaning Bulbazak and High Shroomish right now.
I refuse to believe I'm wrong about emeralddemon at this stage. I also think being the counter cuts kabooom from slack (even if he is playing super hard to help scum regardless of his role PM).
@Bulba - battle me with words, I want your thoughts on the gamestate.
Does anyone have thoughts on High Shroomish? I had him as a town lean earlier, I think I liked that town lean, is there a scum case on him from anyone?
In post 2081, emeraldemon wrote:OK, so what makes him town?
@emerald: Might be confusing, my post here was responding to you.In post 2085, emogirl123 wrote:Nothing really. If you want the scummiest vote with respect to ABR v kabooooom, you have Chevre. If you want me to comment on your 1712, I haven't read it yet and will do so now. If you want a specific post, it's hard for me to find but take the following.
Read this.In post 2082, Thor665 wrote:I also still fail to understand the flow of that last sentence, which is one you've tossed out multiple times - so I know it's important to your case. It just doesn't seem to make sense to me. I'm going to walk you through what I'm thinking, see if you can help;
Can you clarify this comment for me?
Maybe. Though I've been scum who shot town who thought I or one of my partners was town to help "verify" them.In post 2090, inHimshallibe wrote:I take HS as town by way of validating Zdenek's read on his townslip.In post 2084, Thor665 wrote:I'm kind of leaning Bulbazak and High Shroomish right now.
I refuse to believe I'm wrong about emeralddemon at this stage. I also think being the counter cuts kabooom from slack (even if he is playing super hard to help scum regardless of his role PM).
@Bulba - battle me with words, I want your thoughts on the gamestate.
Does anyone have thoughts on High Shroomish? I had him as a town lean earlier, I think I liked that town lean, is there a scum case on him from anyone?
Surely I do. But since this is not lylo and I am the humility to admit that my reads are not infallible, I have no problem presenting more candidates for scum than there are scum.In post 2077, emeraldemon wrote:@Aegor
Surely you know that all 6 of the people you're scumreading can't be scum, we'd have lost already.
Acceptable lynch and there were votes on him.I don't understand why you moved your vote back to kaboom.
I denied no such thing. I pushed both wagons.I think it's strange that you're denying pushing kaboom's wagon yesterday against ABR, when you clearly did (1832).
Probably because I do not think he is a bigger lynch priority than those players.You also haven't really said anything about why kaboom is a bigger lynch priority than Bulba or RBD or Chevre or any of your other scumreads.
So, really, it's not about who he is asking to be replaced or not replaced, it's about whether or not he desired to lynch lurksacks.In post 2093, emogirl123 wrote:Read this.In post 2082, Thor665 wrote:I also still fail to understand the flow of that last sentence, which is one you've tossed out multiple times - so I know it's important to your case. It just doesn't seem to make sense to me. I'm going to walk you through what I'm thinking, see if you can help;
Can you clarify this comment for me?
Chevre says he is reluctant to vote Zekrom because she thinks this is just his playstyle. Chevre even mentions that kabooooom falls into this category. I did not presume Zekrom as scum or town anywhere in my case for Chevre.
Chevre says that Zekrom deserved a replacement when ABR was nowhere in danger of being lynched.
When ABR / kabooooom was being lynched, he "strongly suspected" kabooooom while completely ignoring what he had said previously for Zekrom while asking him to go get himself replaced.
@Aegor - what's your take on Rainbow?
Nothing has changed since then regarding kabooooom's play so he is not being consistent with his reads.
It's his subtle defence of ABR by changing his reads of kabooooom, and requesting everyone hold off on lynching ABR because he is in the process of being replaced.In post 2096, Thor665 wrote:Either I'm missing something still, or your case isn't really logically solid.