Open 548-WiFom City: The Invasion (Over)

[iamausername]

oh, so it is. thought it was three. so we don't necessarily have any more power roles out there. this makes massclaim somewhat less useful, though i still think it would be a good idea.

[Rottweiler]

I don't think scum would have ns do the kill on N1 if they had a JOAT.
I don't think we have a RB or a cop (and we don't have an IC or a vig), so I generally don't think scum took any powers at all.

We don't really need a massclaim. Let's just lynch Shockwave, and if there is still a day tomorrow, you can lynch Hoopla. If there actually is a RB or a cop, they will have gotten more results by then (RB is basically a cop too with one scum left).

~Wis

[Rottweiler]

A cop is worthless at this stage. As if there is one. That means the last scum has a power and that means that he will show up as not goon so the gooncop is pointless

~ Dog

[Albert B. Rampage]

Claim time. VT

[Albert B. Rampage]

If there are no other PRs, Aisa is clear. If there's a goon cop, he's basically a innocent child.

[Rottweiler]

I personally wouldn't trust any claim from here without proof. Scum know how many powers they picked and can use that to their advantage.

[Rottweiler]

~dog

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't see how they could do that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyway, am fine either way with a shockwave lynch. Will iso Hoopla later.

[Rottweiler]

Lets say that the scum team took 0 powers. They know that that means that all PRs are outed (body guard and tracker)

They claim goon cop knowing that they aren't getting counter claimed.

[Rottweiler]

~dog

[Albert B. Rampage]

I iso'd Hoopla. I think Hoopla is town. That leaves only SR. GG scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I iso'd Shockwave Rider for good measure, and yes, I think he's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Prof, switch your vote; everyone else, vote SR. GG.

[Profont]

ABR: Outline the case against Shockwave for me.
-font

[Greymarble]

Vanilla Townie

[GreyICE]

Everyone's next post should contain a claim.

No need for order.

[Greymarble]

Everyone's next post should contain a claim.

No need for order.

...

Two browsers on the same game OP.

Gee gee.

Claim anyway.

[Greymarble]

I don't have much new to add, I am currently reading Rott and Aisa as town and am still content with my DA votae.

Why a townread on Aisa?

why are you conflicted?

I don't like your early jump on the Sakura wagon or your attacks on Dragon Alliance. Your later posting looked townish to me but looking through your iso I can't remember why at the moment.

Shockwave, can you remember the composition process that generated your quote-screwup here?

[Greymarble]

We're town.

If Rottweiler is scum, he handed us his last partner in a setup that gives him no excuse for lasting to lylo and could've gotten him simply counterclaimed.
On top of that he took a headfirst, very town approach to the game D1. Not a legitimate scumpossibility.

Aisa is very likely to be town, though I'd still like to hear the thought process which produced an NS vote at the beginning of yesterday.
Tracker result, "I don't have any scumreads" + "I'm not going to lynch you for one thing" show honesty and the right mindset.

BC I am pretty convinced is town "The hold on the game made me question my reads" was an impressive move if he's scum.
Same for reflection on hydra partner's read-effects and #495. DA showed early paranoia about town proceeding intelligently.

Biggest gap is here.

ABR is probably town but not to be ruled out. He's pretty forthright and his ISO makes townsense.

Hoopla clocks in somewhere between ABR and IAAU. Viable as both alignments and has made several protown moves.

IAAU is more :active: than Hoopla or ABR but fits a little better as scum than them with random voting a buddy D1 and not deviating much from standard push some things make some arguments.

Profont fits fine with scum. Good wall, but not a lot of other work, and the interactions fit fine.

Shockwave does give me a little ansiness; I'm not sure he'll flip scum so I'm going to want another pass. He's quieter and mostly fits the push things make arguments mold.


I'm happy with the first 4; the remaining 5 I'm going to have to spend a bigger timechunk on.

[Greymarble]

BC I am pretty convinced is town "The hold on the game made me question my reads" was an impressive move if he's scum.
Same for reflection on hydra partner's read-effects and #495. DA showed early paranoia about town proceeding intelligently.

Also BC flipped town, which always improves my read of a player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm happy to listen to SR claim Goon Cop and then we lynch him. If someone else is a goon cop, like one of my town reads, that would be an upset that would change the situation a little. I'd seriously consider Aisa in that case.

[Shockwave Rider]

I'm VT.

If there actually is a RB or a cop, they will have gotten more results by then (RB is basically a cop too with one scum left).

Remember there could be a strongman.

Shockwave, can you remember the composition process that generated your quote-screwup here?

I don't know what I'm doing but that happens to me a lot.

I suspect Hoopla somewhat through poe and somewhat through gut. I have townreads on Greyarble and Albert. Rottweiler obviously isn't scum at this point. Aisa we'll see how the claims go but the track is a point in her favor. IAAUN I think would have made the kill over notscience and sees fairly townie to me. Profont I don't know he just seems null.

Hoopla is scummy to me on a gut level. I didn't like the attacks on BC's slot(now flipped town) or the early naked vote on Sakura.

Not a strong case I know. But I'd be very surprised is someone other than Hoopla/Profont/Aisa. Which looks very convenient because I have suspects and if I was scum I'd need three mislynches but there is is.

[Hoopla]

I'm a VT also.

I know the game hasn't been very wall-heavy, but I am overdue to do a proper analysis of each player. I'll try and keep things relatively digestible...

~~

From town to scum:

Rottweiler:

Essentially confirmed town, so I won't bother talking about him.

Aisa:

Essentially confirmed town. In the event of an all VT massclaim, this will eliminate any conspiro-JOAT possibilities. Even if there is a Goon Cop/Vig, the probability of the stars aligning for Aisa-scum are still too remote to be worth considering.

Greymarble:

I'm fairly sure Greymarble is town, purely from the GreyICE obvtown posturing on D1 when they replaced into the game. It's too weirdly brazen for scum to take that tact - it's almost always townies that operate on that air of belief that they are super-protown and ought not to be lynched. The reason this is actually true is because they can't convincingly replicate that as scum.

Another recent hint about Greymarble's alignment was in post #669, where they gave an alignment read on a dead beastcharizard without realising that slot had already died. It's much likelier that scum would be

more

aware that beastcharizard was the nightkill, because scum know 100% who the intended kill was, and it coming up differently would surely stick in their mind. This is a pretty esoteric towntell to try and fake as scum also, so I'm not willing to entertain the idea that Greymarble is playing the meta-game this hard, and that they

know

this is something that looks townie and would be good to fake. Occam's Razor: a simpler explanation is Greymarble is town rather than faking it as scum/forgetting beastcharizard died as scum.

Albert B. Rampage:

I'm less convinced about his alignment than on D1, mostly because enough people have commented on his laissez-faire approach to the game in a positive light, that he surely must be self-aware of his image by now, yet he hasn't done anything to channel this into positive action. This has an air of "well, this is working, so I'll keep coasting", while I think as town (at least some of the time) I'd expect ABR to change gears and start bossing the game, especially now that we have juicy flips from both alignments. It could also just be genuine disinterest, so I'm factoring that in, but there is

more

incentive for him to maintain the status-quo as scum which is why I'm not ruling him out to the same degree as Greymarble.

From the MTD--> ABR angle, he fits as a possible scumpartner, most because of the minimal interaction from MTD towards ABR. Most newbie-scum players tend to err on the side of avoidance rather than actively seeking out interactions with their partners. The one thing I read positively for ABR is in MTD's main reads post, for his read on ABR he literally just says "Nothing". I feel like if ABR was MTD's partner he'd recognise that would look a little jarring and would make up more of a read. For example, look at the way MTD wrote about notscience. Notscience had done essentially the same amount of nothing as ABR up until that point, yet MTD felt compelled to elucidate on one of notscience's random opinions and

explain

that notscience had indeed done nothing. I think MTD didn't bother pontificating on ABR because ABR wasn't a key player on the top of his mind in the same way notscience was.

Shockwave Rider:

While I was rereading through MTD's reads list again, I remembered that he completely forgot to write about Shockwave. He remembers a couple of posts later that he forgot him. In the same way I don't see MTD writing about ABR-scum with such jarring minimalism, I also don't see him completely forgetting to give a read on his scumpartner. When scum give a list of reads (especially their first reads-post of the game), they're usually fairly conscious of where they're going to place their partners in the town-to-scum spectrum, so forgetting someone altogether seems more indicative of this player not being on MTD's mind, ergo not a scum partner, who would be on MTD's mind.

I'll do

iamausername

and

Profont

together as this is where my PoE leads me: When MTD writes about both of these players in his reads post, he's vague and make irrelevant commentaries on the player's actions, which is similar to how he wrote about notscience, so both of players fit well within the confines of what I'd expect from MTD towards his buddy. Neither player were ever in danger of the noose on D1, so there never was much opportunity for MTD to talk about either player, but as I said earlier, newbie-scum generally err on the side of avoiding unnecessary interactions with scumpartners rather than instigating and linking in overt ways.

This is what makes me think it is iamausername over Profont: MTD's first post of the game is a random vote for Profont, which eventually spawns into a mini-dialogue with him. To me, that interaction seems less likely to have occurred between buddies than between scum and a townie.

~~

UNVOTE:
VOTE: iamausername

For those voting Shockwave, tell me what you think about my comments on him. Do you agree with my logic for townreading him?

[Rottweiler]

No, as you are judging based on how you would think as scum. You don't know how MTD thinks.

~Wis