Mini 1564 - Nyctapolis (~owari~)

[Cheery Dog]

There are really good reasons to ENSURE we get claims before a lynch, and it was a combination of that and wanting more interactions in general (this was kinda pre-'all my townreads are telling me I'm wrong', so it wasn't as much for that at that point)

But I'm trying to constantly re-evaluate. Not doing this breeds confirmation bias.

-b

Confirmation bias breeds in all circumstances. (but my playstyle does probably need to be updated in avoiding that myself).

I still stand by getting off a wagon yet still pushing will mean that you don't actually care, but then it is probably true that it's something I don't get and therefore assume scum motivation.

L-1 is normally the point where you start talking and answering questions.

I'm fairly sure you're meant to do that the whole game, not just when someone is on L-1.

CD, I believe I am making it quite clear that I am a part of your wagon, if not in vote. Please feel free to divine whatever you would from a Cheery Dog town/scumflip in my favour or against. Also the whole "nobody wants a cheery lynch" was admittedly my fault. I misread the votecount and thought he only had 1 vote on him. However, both CD and SV are equally scummy in my mind now and so I'm going to keep my vote on SV simply because he's closer to being lynched.

That doesn't change that you unvoted due to wanting to waste more time in the day. (actually why does scum want that? why does town want that? who cares?)

unvote

[InsidiousLemons]

Meh maybe waiting on a lynch wasn't great play. I don't think it hurts anyone though. Also why unvote without revoting? Do you not want to lynch anyone at this point, or do you want the SV lynch and just don't want to hammer?

[Cheery Dog]

Meh maybe waiting on a lynch wasn't great play. I don't think it hurts anyone though. Also why unvote without revoting? Do you not want to lynch anyone at this point, or do you want the SV lynch and just don't want to hammer?

Me not having a vote out means I'm not confident in my reads.

It's most likely to move to one of Tanz, undo and FTL.

Tanz would get it for that post I quoted in my last post.
undo I'm basically agreeing with other people that have stated stuff
FTL I'm not entirely sure if I just dislike the people in the hydra and metal sonic's just playing like scum or whether they are actually scum.

[Tanzklaue]

Tanz would get it for that post I quoted in my last post.

you do realize that i in no way said that people shouldn't talk unless being put to L-1?

i much rather said that L-1 is the point where you have tio talk or die.

[Cheery Dog]

Tanz would get it for that post I quoted in my last post.

you do realize that i in no way said that people shouldn't talk unless being put to L-1?

i much rather said that L-1 is the point where you have tio talk or die.

You said "L-1 is normally the point where you start"
Nothing about dying.

[Tanzklaue]

are you really that bad at reading comprehension and simple logic?

it's the point where you start talking to save your fucking life and show your towny intentions.

btw. SV: reads and reasons. now.

[pieguyn]

votecount 1.9

Shattered Viewpoint (6) - notSakura, Faster Than Light, thenewearth, Raging Bull, InsidiousLemons, iamsteve [L-1]

Cheery Dog (5) - Empking, undo, Tanzklaue, Number_0ne, Shattered Viewpoint

Not voting (2) - Remilia Scarlet, Cheery Dog

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 4/7, 17:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2014-04-07 17:30:00).

[Faster Than Light]

unvote SV

Dog ain't getting to hammer

[Faster Than Light]

Tanz would get it for that post I quoted in my last post.

you do realize that i in no way said that people shouldn't talk unless being put to L-1?

i much rather said that L-1 is the point where you have tio talk or die.

This makes tanz town

[Cheery Dog]

unvote SV

Dog ain't getting to hammer

You do realise if I wanted to have hammered, I probably already would have done so?

[Faster Than Light]

Rem can you help to grill the hot dog? Varsoon ain't here and I need something alignment indicative. I'm still getting town vibes, need helping.


Comfortable with SV but we still have 3 days

[Faster Than Light]

unvote SV

Dog ain't getting to hammer

You do realise if I wanted to have hammered, I probably already would have done so?

Damn you're right

Pretty fast one, you are

[thenewearth]

At this point, I'm willing to go with a CD lynch. I don't really believe that he's scum, but his wagon has a lot more information that could be gained.

Huh...

This... Looks...

Is it just me or did this guy suddenly looked like a scum?

I see where you're going but... Voting a person who you don't even think is scum? Does this mean you don't see SV as scum as well, correct?
If that's the case, who's scum then?

[iamsteve]

SV and smoking are scum. Lynch them.

vote sv

Ns rem undo lemons tanz obvtown

No.1 cdog prob town

I don't see cheery dog scum. No reason to wagon him if this is the case. Get SV better

Would rather lynch SV than cheery.

Not very sure about cheery town, but sv or empking make way better lynched

Undo May not be in the town koc yet. But lemons should go into the town bloc. Quite sure he's town

unvote SV

Dog ain't getting to hammer

Rem can you help to grill the hot dog? Varsoon ain't here and I need something alignment indicative. I'm still getting town vibes, need helping.


Comfortable with SV but we still have 3 days

FTL: Why was your vote on SV? You explained why it isn't there anymore but then I don't get why it was there in the first place. When you put your vote on SV you said "Lynch them.".

[Raging Bull]

Does SV usually stay quiet at L1?

in any case UNVOTE: SV. I feel somewhat ok with him not saying much in L-1. Just something about it made me think he might not be scum.

I also had suspicion on undo for voting CD because of "if I'm scum" is a classic scum tell. However, he didn't vote SV and still only focused on CD. If he was scum, he probably wouldn't care who to vote.

ugh, I don't have anything currently.

@Number 0ne, why is CD wagon can potentially gain more information than SV? There may not be emotion, but you can still question people why they voted SV and also looking back if they were townreading SV or not.

[Remilia Scarlet]

bork v/la till tomorrow night, family in town

[Faster Than Light]

SV and smoking are scum. Lynch them.

vote sv

Ns rem undo lemons tanz obvtown

No.1 cdog prob town

I don't see cheery dog scum. No reason to wagon him if this is the case. Get SV better

Would rather lynch SV than cheery.

Not very sure about cheery town, but sv or empking make way better lynched

Undo May not be in the town koc yet. But lemons should go into the town bloc. Quite sure he's town

unvote SV

Dog ain't getting to hammer

Rem can you help to grill the hot dog? Varsoon ain't here and I need something alignment indicative. I'm still getting town vibes, need helping.


Comfortable with SV but we still have 3 days

FTL: Why was your vote on SV? You explained why it isn't there anymore but then I don't get why it was there in the first place. When you put your vote on SV you said "Lynch them.".

we have 2 days remaining till deadline. I want town to make the full use of this 2 remaining days, instead of it disappearing because somebody decided to hammer. dont waste the free discussion days.

and my vote was on SV because he is scummy. wasn't that clear enough?

[Faster Than Light]

Woop.
So I'm here for a second, but yeah.
I'm getting vibes that scum doesn't want to hammer, not with this playerbase.
So I don't see how hesitance/not hammering makes a player town. It's in scum's best interest to lay low with that shit.

-V

[iamsteve]

FTL:
I understand you found him scummy, what I do not understand is the exact purpose of the vote if you didn't want him dead at that time. Now he prematurely claimed because he had, based on our votes, to assume he was going to get killed, which is apparently not the case yet. I'd rather have people only claim if there is a real intent to lynch.

[Number_0ne]

At this point, I'm willing to go with a CD lynch. I don't really believe that he's scum, but his wagon has a lot more information that could be gained.

Huh...

This... Looks...

Is it just me or did this guy suddenly looked like a scum?

I see where you're going but... Voting a person who you don't even think is scum? Does this mean you don't see SV as scum as well, correct?
If that's the case, who's scum then?

I'm not going to have any strong suspects until there is a flip. And I'm considering the worst case scenario in regards to these lynches. If CD flips town, then his wagon can be easily analyzed and it is easier to find scum from there. In SV's wagon, no one has given much information into their reasoning, while they've been explaining why they found CD scummy.

I don't believe that enough people find CD to be town. If enough of us did, then I've got no problem with lynching SV. But it seems to me like people will just go back to CD if SV is lynched, and in that case I'd rather lynch CD first.

[thenewearth]

About 2 days
And I really don't feel for CD

On the other hand. I'm REALLY bothered number one's statement about just lynching a person for more information.
It sounds like the towniest thing a scum can do.

@Number_One: But you're implying that CD is town, aren't you? This is what's really bothering me. If you think CD is town from the start, you could already analyze the wagon. Letting the lynch go through is just going to backfire sooner or later.

[thenewearth]

Also I just thought

That if we Lynch SV, which most of us think he's scum. We can find scum better with inconsistencies in the way people SV read him.

[InsidiousLemons]

Okay. So. I'm back, had to skim before I left. Missed the whole N_0 bit.
WTF is up with Number_0ne. The idea that lynching players you think are town would give us more information is ridiculous. As TNE said, couldn't you just analyze the wagon as is? Unless you think seeing who hammers will give us more information than lynching who you view as town, which is ALSO ridiculous. Can't see the town motivation behind this. On the other hand, why do you think CD is town?

[Cheery Dog]

I'm not going to have any strong suspects until there is a flip. And I'm considering the worst case scenario in regards to these lynches. If CD flips town, then his wagon can be easily analyzed and it is easier to find scum from there. In SV's wagon, no one has given much information into their reasoning, while they've been explaining why they found CD scummy.

Look at my wagon now.
..I flip town. What do you see?
..I flip scum. What do you see?
..I flip third party, anything visible yet?

No? Then please stop making people crazy.

Although maybe we can find something
VOTE: undo
Reason for being on my wagon is that I'm aggressive and that I mentioned selfmeta.

[pieguyn]

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