Mini 1563 - Vampire: The Masquerade Mafia (Fourth Evening)

[Kagami]

If I'm right or mostly right, 96 is incredibly town-mindset.

[Kagami]

As a funny coincidence, I was discussing a setup idea similar to the vitae system with someone prior to this one starting.

One of the big things we were struggling to work out is how to avoid one group getting all the goodies, and to avoid strategies like that of marketplace mafia 2. Scum gets vitae through NK, town gets vitae through lynch is a fairly elegant way of doing it, which would be attainable only if the scum can't nom.

[Kagami]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

[Squirrel Girl]

If I'm right or mostly right, 96 is incredibly town-mindset.

I thought that post looked pretty townsided even if you're wrong.

That said, this does make sense, scum probably don't have diablerie votes unless there's some other aspect of the setup we're not aware of yet. That could still leave picking a nullish option as a sort of awkward Vig shot an interesting possibility though.

[Squirrel Girl]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Fucking god please stop this.

[Kagami]

Do you disagree with my belief that the scum don't get noms, LLD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you disagree with my belief that the scum don't get noms, LLD?

I think that we have no way to determine that, and so we shouldn't be assuming one way or another.

[Kagami]

What do you think of SG's idea of nomming a vig target?

[Katsuki]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

I have a 3-shot N1 vig. It'll either be spectacularly game-breaking or spectacularly game-failing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

I have a 3-shot N1 vig. It'll either be spectacularly game-breaking or spectacularly game-failing.

Are you a Malkavian? Because you're sounding pretty crazy.

[Squirrel Girl]

Fucking god please stop this.

I'm sorry you have no love in your heart.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fucking god please stop this.

I'm sorry you have no love in your heart.

Comes with being an undead immortal being. Sometimes I think the Malkavians are the most sane of any of us, really. The rest of us just hide it better.

Regardless, they're eye sores. If you must use them, please make it sparingly, or put them in spoiler boxes.

[Katsuki]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

I have a 3-shot N1 vig. It'll either be spectacularly game-breaking or spectacularly game-failing.

Are you a Malkavian? Because you're sounding pretty crazy.

I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about~

[vonflare]

I think she is referring to clan(?)

[Aronis]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

I have a 3-shot N1 vig. It'll either be spectacularly game-breaking or spectacularly game-failing.

Don't shoot me!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

I have a 3-shot N1 vig. It'll either be spectacularly game-breaking or spectacularly game-failing.

Are you a Malkavian? Because you're sounding pretty crazy.

I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about~

Oh Cupcake~

[SpyreX]

So I dont know the flavor well at all. I skimmed through some White Wolf books eons ago. I don't know what flavor of scum it is but its pretty clear from the few words I had AND THE SETUP that the town is vampires. So I still, from every viber of my soul, don't like Aronis because the parts left out like its not fairly clear. Butttt I can't tell if is drunk or scum.

Now flavor nonwithstanding setup is a different beast. I can't claim to know the inner workings of the Icey Grey tendrils as well as some but I know GI knows balance and a town that requires ~things~ to happen and a scum that doesn't have a hard counterbalance is a town loss.

THAT SAID, finding a way to mitigate the black hole is necessary. Is there any flavor queues that would be stable enough that fakeclaim land wouldn't crack it (I doubt that)?

I almost like squirrels idea of juice the chaff but then you've got to worry about scum chaff and the even more threatening town chaff. I think we need to find that middle ground of a person who is town but not ROCK HARD town tm and shove the magic right down their throats.

[vonflare]

Wait.

Just had an idea.

Is it possible that the scum don't have a nightkill, just a vitae steal?

Becuase my role PM says that if I have no vitae, I die. And I think I can assume that all the vampires have this. So it would make sense that this mechanic would be used by the scum instead of NKs. Becuase either way, it still results in townies dead (scum's objective).

Thoughts? Maybe I'm wrong, but it WOULD provide the balance to the diablarie coordinated nomming. (vitae steal would be, I think, less powerful than a NK)

[vonflare]

Wait, did someone just claim 3-shot-all-in-one-night-vigilante?

WHAT IS WITH THIS SETUP?

[vonflare]

VOTE: Aronis

So vampires vs ghouls, huh? Looks like interesting mechanics, gonna try and and familiarize myself with them

Die, scum, die.

VOTE: The Goodfather

I'm town! Or whatever we are called.

Opens with an omgus, then blatantly claims town.

Since I am getting voted and flavor claims aren't that important(?).

I am Sasha Vykos, Tzimisce, 6th Generation.

So what? what does this mean? Why did you claim before intent to hammer?

Until I know I'm not going to die within five pages of the start, I have no reason to put effort into helping you idiots find scum.

More reasons to lynch me, Yay!

Again, please do something helpful.

And he calls us idiots...

UnVote

Hey Aronis, what are your thoughts about anything game related? Players? Wagons? Who was pushing you for scummy reasons? I mean, it's almost page 5, you may as well play the game you signed up for...

I was actually working on reads and stuff. But after seeing this post, I lost all interest.

Huh? why? why does one player insulting you give you a reason to not make any reads?

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

I have a 3-shot N1 vig. It'll either be spectacularly game-breaking or spectacularly game-failing.

Don't shoot me!

Not a helpful post.

All in all, aronis looks kinda scummy, and seeing that katz could be the game-winning-power-role, I will move my vote.

VOTE: aronis

that's L-4 I think.

[Aronis]

I may shed a tear.

What are your thoughts on the KthxWagon? What are your thoughts on Kthx?

I'll get to that in a min.

Reads:
Katsuki, GF, vonflare, monkeyman and empking are all null for the lack of posting.

EDIT: vonflare, lean scum.

Null,
Squirrel Girl, overall she seems town, but this early on, considering the Miller Human claim, Null for now. Maybe she is the blood gifter Kagami mentions?

Displaced, the nomination idea was not ideal, but IMO not really a scumtell at this point or anything alignment indicative at this point.

Lean Town,
LL seems to be genuine and helpful.
Kagami, a couple of her posts stood out, might cover them in a bit.

Sorting spyrex, d3x, and kthxbye now.

I may shed a tear.

What are your thoughts on the KthxWagon? What are your thoughts on Kthx?

Kthx wagon? Only one person voted kthx? It would help if we had a votecount.

Kthx is alright from what I can tell.

SpyreX is null-ish atm and d3x is null/lean town-ish.

Displaced, the nomination idea was not ideal

People keep saying this and are probably right but what about the flipside? Not having some organization means the scum team are gonna get the vitae for themselves more often than not. This is just as bad (or worse?) than giving scum extra incentive to kill a particular person, isn't it? I agree that my idea is flawed but we should still try to figure a way to do this better imo

I can see both sides, but ultimately I feel like it's secret for a good reason. We can't risk having everyone who gets vitae killed off, so unless a doctor can protect them I still think No and that would require a doctor claiming and they could be killed the next day. I guess BP would work too, but then scum could just claim that.

Of course we're just going to happen to 'miss' these posts aren't we?

[Squirrel Girl]

Until I know I'm not going to die within five pages of the start, I have no reason to put effort into helping you idiots find scum.

Why not? Just because other people are idiots I'm not sure why that should stop the game from being played. But, I will admit (and I am often called an idiot) that I'm not sure why your current wagon is so bad. Can you talk me through why it's obviously a wagon of idiots? Like, what have you done that should make people not be voting you? Can you give me an example of someone who is scummier than you that more people should be voting?

Hey Aronis, sweety-poo, there were some questions for you!

[Aronis]

While I mostly agree, understand that there are things he can be that are not vampires and still town, assuming Ghouls are scum (which is a rather large assumption, but one that seems fair?).

Ghouls are explicitly mentioned in the fluff as the scum. I don't think hat's much of an assumption at all.

Also, I don't think there's much value in insulting D3x, let's not do that? This is the Prince's domain after all, and he likes to keep order, and too many insults could unleash the beast

Until I know I'm not going to die within five pages of the start, I have no reason to put effort into helping you idiots find scum.

Why not? Just because other people are idiots I'm not sure why that should stop the game from being played. But, I will admit (and I am often called an idiot) that I'm not sure why your current wagon is so bad. Can you talk me through why it's obviously a wagon of idiots? Like, what have you done that should make people not be voting you? Can you give me an example of someone who is scummier than you that more people should be voting?

@D3xie - Have you played with Lady Lambda and Spyrex before? They appear mildly attached at the hip in a weird way and I'm trying to figure out why. If it's a normal thing I could at least shrug and walk away from it. Do you have any insight in that regard?

I did give reads with basic explanations.

My wagon had no logical explanation behind it. It was based off of an RVS post and I still don't understand it. They were voting me for claiming town. Which is pathetic. It only reeks of their incapabilities in the art of scumhunting.