NY 173: Knight-Errant 2 - GAME OVER!

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Give me one reason that I should read back on this thread and make genuine reads.

Vote Count 1.22

mnemonicdevice (6) - GreyICE, Turkish Van, jbomber732, Antihero, Lords of the Unreal, beastcharizard
Bicephalous Bob (5) - PeregrineV, Twisted Advice, MafiaSSK, mnemonicdevice, Katarina LeBlanc
jbomber732 (1) - burn_209
beastcharizard (1) - Hopkirk
Hopkirk (1) - MonkeyMan576
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
PeregrineV (1) - Bicephalous Bob

Not Voting (2) - Metal Sonic, notscience

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

Turkish Van's penguin_alien head is V/LA through April 9th.

[Twisted Advice]

No, Captain Fuckwit, the stupidest happens every time you post. I could raise the average IQ of the thread 10 points by lynching you.

If you're not going to take part in anything of interest this game, sit down and shut up. You're barely playing at all at this point, so at least spare the rest of us your inane babble.

Feel free to cut it out with the ad hom whenever you're ready.

are we playing the same game, khan?
...or is that you don't have a town win condition?

i get that you and grey don't like each other (i'm gathering because of out of game reasons). but the zombie wagon should really be giving you dissonance to resolve in your scumreads. you can either a) change your read on grey or b) think that grey is bussing the shit out of mnemonic (or that grey is sk or whatever).
is there really that much vitriol that you would rather sit on the sidelines and NOT lynch one of your scumreads because "fuck you grey!"? do you need couple's counseling or something? if your dislike for grey's playstyle is making you play against your supposed win condition, there's some re-evaluation needed.

B isn't that insane.
And I kinda understand where he's coming from right now.

I did catch that, and it doesn't sit well with me. The post surrounding it was also not great. Is it really worth making an instawagon of though? Someone may need to walk me through the theory behind it- is it simply "town don't iso their predecessors"? Because I totally do that.

Iago

hey twisted,
i walked you through this with reasoning in 522, 523, and 525.

Yeah, the IIOA bit is why I agree that he's probably scum. The Amished tell bit, while a thing, isn't enough by itself.

Iago, who is getting slightly tired of flapping his wings to stay in the air and someone should come lend him a nice pointy shoulder to sit on

[GreyICE]

HI GREY

NO I WANT TO SORT THIS OUT FIRST

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

Your entire point is that "PV isn't playing to X meta."

That's not a point and it's not refutable. It's like saying "Saturn is transiting the belt of Orion, and every time that happens, you're scum."

How about you vote actual scum for good reasons

[GreyICE]

Give me one reason that I should read back on this thread and make genuine reads.

Keep up like this and I'll give you 8 of them tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Why did I ignore an argument that isn't based on anything?
Because it's not based on anything.
And I don't even recall any sort of argument, but maybe I missed the arguing part.

that's an unnatural response to slander

the argument was pretty one-sided because you didn't participate

And secondly, what I was expecting was why others think you are scum, since you did manage to go to L-1. To me, it seems like you should/would/could analyze your wagon to see where it comes from, and try to find scum on it.
So far, you've avoided doing anything remotely like that.
Why is that?

I don't like to hunt on my wagon

I do read you and device as scum though

I don't know where to go with this.....

How about,

No, I did not argue.
OK, but I don't think you've scumhunted at all.
I'm on your wagon. And I'm liking it better and better.
OK.
So does like 6 other people.

[PeregrineV]

This is better.

?
what are you talking about?

A summary of Newmonic reads.

[Bicephalous Bob]

HI GREY

NO I WANT TO SORT THIS OUT FIRST

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

Your entire point is that "PV isn't playing to X meta."

you completely missed the point

he ignored what he now claims is inaccurate meta and he claims he did this

because

the meta is inaccurate

[GreyICE]

No, Captain Fuckwit, the stupidest happens every time you post. I could raise the average IQ of the thread 10 points by lynching you.

If you're not going to take part in anything of interest this game, sit down and shut up. You're barely playing at all at this point, so at least spare the rest of us your inane babble.

Feel free to cut it out with the ad hom whenever you're ready.

No no, Iago, that's not Ad hom. See, an ad hominem is where you say "because Kublai Khan is a complete idiot, his post is meaningless and all the points are invalid." See, I'm not interested in refuting his points. He refuted them himself when he pointed out his entire argument is WIFOM (maybe mnemonic is the scum roleblocker. Or Khan is the Serial Killer and thus has no idea who scum is, he just doesn't want to be night killed. Or maybe he thinks it would be scummier to join me on the wagon after voting me all day and is trying to 'be consistent').

I'm just tired of him scumplaining about a wagon

on someone he thinks is scummy and worthy of voting.

If what he's going to do is come in here and complain about a wagon on someone

he has a scumread on

then he should not be posting. Period. It's obnoxious, shitty, terrible, awful play from a player who has pursued a personal vendetta against me outside of this game and is now angry that I don't particularly like him.

[Bicephalous Bob]

HI GREY

NO I WANT TO SORT THIS OUT FIRST

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

Your entire point is that "PV isn't playing to X meta."

you completely missed the point

he ignored what he now claims is inaccurate meta and he claims he did this

because

the meta is inaccurate

adding to this, even the most passive player would be pissed and react if someone said "X is scummy because he's posting" if this is based on absolutely nothing

[GreyICE]

Okay.

Let me see if I can parse this.

Your initial argument was that PV was scummy because he was posting
Your new argument is that PV is scummy because he wasn't sufficiently angry about how incredibly ridiculous your initial argument was

I am... not sold.

[Bicephalous Bob]

please point me to the post where I said PV was scummy because he was posting

[GreyICE]

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

especially since he's a pretty conversational player

What would you call this, bob?

[Bicephalous Bob]

replace "I've changed guys" with "you guys are full of shit" to account for his claim that the meta is inaccurate and you have the exact same point I'm making right now

[GreyICE]

Okay, you've lost me. From the fact no one besides you seems to care about this, you've probably lost the rest of the town too.

Is there a point here that can be communicated clearly and without referencing meta?

[Bicephalous Bob]

last try

Your initial argument was that PV was scummy because he was posting

no my initial argument was that he was scummy because he never addressed the meta talk, not because he didn't play to his meta

Your new argument is that PV is scummy because he wasn't sufficiently angry about how incredibly ridiculous your initial argument was

that's part of my argument except for the fact that the initial argument wasn't mine

[GreyICE]

Why would he address the meta talk? Especially if it's just random noise that's not supported by votes?

[PeregrineV]

@Bob-

Is your case that my feelings weren't hurt when someone called me scummy for a "meta" reason?
Seriously?

Vote: Bob
Extra Vote: Bob
Triple Vote: Bob

[Antihero]

for everyone keeping up with this inane bullshit (which is nobody and i don't blame them), Bob is stalling the zombie wagon because Peregrine didn't respond to this.

In post 144, beastcharizard wrote:

Twisted kind of looks town.
Anti is probably town.
PV isn't lurking so it is worrying me some.
Hopkirk is scum.

I noted the same thing with PereV. My last completed game he ended up being engaged and active and I thought it was a towntell for him and it turned out he was some type of third party. So here's where my read with PereV kinda meshes up with yours. I'm not going to be so quick to call him town, but I'm not going to be so quick to call him scum either.

nobody was making any sweeping meta-arguments (beast came kind of sort of close, but not really since he didn't care to elaborate on his off-the-cuff remark). penny was just noting what happened

in her last game

. nothing more.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Give me one reason that I should read back on this thread and make genuine reads.

Keep up like this and I'll give you 8 of them tomorrow.

Tomorrow it is then.

I'll just attach my vote to someone I'm currently townreading :3

[Bicephalous Bob]

@Bob-

Is your case that my feelings weren't hurt when someone called me scummy for a "meta" reason?
Seriously?

Vote: Bob
Extra Vote: Bob
Triple Vote: Bob

no, that you completely ignored it and then, when I asked about it, you said you ignored it because it was wrong, not because it was unimportant

[jbomber732]

@grey: I just can't see where you get this scumread on KK. He proves valid points, is helpful, genuine, and he was right when he said that it would be easier for scum to hop onto the wagon.

[PeregrineV]

@Bob-

Is your case that my feelings weren't hurt when someone called me scummy for a "meta" reason?
Seriously?

Vote: Bob
Extra Vote: Bob
Triple Vote: Bob

no, that you completely ignored it and then, when I asked about it, you said you ignored it because it was wrong, not because it was unimportant

Then link me to the post where I said "it was wrong".

Meanwhile, enjoy this Verizon ringback tone while your party is reached.

Why did I ignore an argument that isn't based on anything?
Because it's not based on anything.

[GreyICE]

@grey: I just can't see where you get this scumread on KK. He proves valid points, is helpful, genuine, and he was right when he said that it would be easier for scum to hop onto the wagon.

Honestly? He's not my strongest scum read (dats the guy my vote's on). Also honestly? He's a horrible human being, and if I had realized he was in the game I probably wouldn't have joined. And yes, he is a scumread.

He's previously attacked me outside of game, and then decided in this game to play 'condescending high road prick'. He has contributed LITERALLY NOTHING to this game. Here is the list of what is worth his attention:

• Anonymous Hydras
  
• The meme 'going full retard, never go full retard'
  
• Me playing off his name
  
• Incivility from other people
  
• Posts he deems fluff (that he never follows up on, but man he likes to note it)
  
• Calling yourself town
  
• Defending himself from any suspicion

Here is a list of things he's not interested in doing:

• Pushing wagons on people he claims to have scumreads on
  
• Discussing things with people to try and determine their alignment

I think he's doing the very common scum tactic where he takes a little bit of genuine emotion (annoyance over anonymous hydras, or my insults) and blows it up into some huge conflagration, so he can sit behind "look, I have tons of genuine emotion!"

So is the emotion genuine? Sure, it's genuine. But if he was town, he'd have WORKED PAST IT to try and win. As scum he's hiding behind it, because he can.

Go look over the valid points. Then start ticking the ones that are playstyle. Natirasha always self-voting. Posts he deems fluff. Etc. Go count the number of valid points when you've removed all playstyle critiques (and trust me, any player can critique a playstyle, town or scum). Go look over when he was helpful, and see how much of that help actually helped the town, and how much of it just helped people play more like what he'd like them to play like.

I think you'll find the list of actual helpful and insightful points starts dropping like a stone.

[jbomber732]

Hmm I'll have to re-read his posts because you bring up some points i never realized

[Bicephalous Bob]

Then link me to the post where I said "it was wrong".

Meanwhile, enjoy this Verizon ringback tone while your party is reached.
:down: :down:

Why did I ignore an argument that isn't based on anything?
Because it's not based on anything.

saying an argument isn't based on anything implies that it's wrong, right?