NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[Elyse]

In the GC/Ythan argument

What's your read on Ythan? I start thinking he's Town then he does something derp like the GC/Ythan thing or trying to rush a lynch on a replacement.

It was town but he's being over the top about GC and is way too quick to shoot down anything GC says. He's overdefensive and jumpy. I don't want to lynch either today but I would definitely lynch Ythan over GC.

[tman2nd]

It seems this day is going longer than I expected, so I'm going to do my read of Ythan today instead.

[Ythan]

I have shot down everything GC says because everything he has said is shit. I've asked him repeatedly to try harder, in specific and points and generally, but all he seems to have is shit. Do you disagree?

[Ythan]

He acts so sure but cannot be bothered no matter how hard he is pushed to actually explain how he got to that point in the first place. The literal only thing from the start was that I was acting like I'm hot shit, which I am and he a hater, and after that that I'm shooting down every attempt to back up his position (without actually posting anything of any value).

[Ythan]

Oh how droll. The point is, he's complaining that I'm just shooting him down but he's not posting anything of value to back himself up. So he just looks incredibly shift.

[Ythan]

Even worse than his own inability to form a coherent explanation of his position is Tman's inability to explain why he's sheeping him.

[pirate mollie]

I am happy with ether kagami or nacho lynched at this point.

elyse do you wanna lynch nacho? it will be fun

ythan I think crayon creature is just 1 of those players who is just a little bit out there. <--- I personally like these types of players they make the game more interesting but they are not the easiest to read. crayon has been pretty transparent with his thought processes tho and is bumping up against the tide with the sort of conviction that I usually find in town.

[Ythan]

So what, he has some genetic inability to explain his reads?

[DeathNote]

Nacho not town? ALSO HI NACHO!!!!

[DeathNote]

We are lynching Kagami today. I don't mind letting the discussions go on a bit but a claim was reached and there is no reason to not lynch her. I do appreciate the feedback she is giving though and hopefully the info she is providing will help us catch some scum. I like the VC analysis and normally I don't care at all about them.

[pirate mollie]

what the hell is wrong with you 2 in that you don't try to sort out the alignment of a player all you wanna do is lynch lynch lynch who cares if they might be on your team.

ythan he did explain his reads. I am not sure how you are not seeing that.

deathy your last post was very very icky. it sounds like you are leaning town on kagami so why do you want to lynch her

[Ythan]

Oh my god Mollie stop or read.

[Green Crayons]

I think pisskop is likely scum but not because of UT's flip.

why?

pisskop tried to dismantle the mala wagon

I look forward to Nacho's post in response to this.

[Green Crayons]

We are lynching Kagami today. I don't mind letting the discussions go on a bit but a claim was reached and there is no reason to not lynch her. I do appreciate the feedback she is giving though and hopefully the info she is providing will help us catch some scum.

I like the VC analysis and normally I don't care at all about them.

Can you please explain the bolded? I don't follow what you're saying.

[Kagami]

We are lynching Kagami today. I don't mind letting the discussions go on a bit but a claim was reached and there is no reason to not lynch her. I do appreciate the feedback she is giving though and hopefully the info she is providing will help us catch some scum. I like the VC analysis and normally I don't care at all about them.

If I didn't know you were town, I'd be voting for this in a heartbeat.

[DeathNote]

You claimed VT, we ARE going to lynch you now. Thats the bottom line. Especially when we know we have at least one other town PR left, probably two.

[DeathNote]

Spoiler: Day 1 wagons

Vote Count 1.7 - zek+fish wagon

Zekrom25

(7) - Marquis,

Porochaz

, pirate mollie, DeathNote, pisskop,

kagami

,

Formerfish

Formerfish

(6) -

Nikanor

, Yates,

Cabd

,

Untrod Tripod

, Elyse, Ythan
Untrod Tripod (3) - tman2nd, Green Crayons,

Zekrom25

pirate mollie (1) -

sthar8

Gooner (1) -

PeregrineV

PeregrineV (1)- RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (2) -

OhGodMyLife

,

Malakittens

Vote count just after zekrom claimed vig. At the time of the claim, UT was on DN and Elyse was on zek. Suggests tman and GC are not scum together, since 3 scum on UT here seems pretty unlikely.

I would expect one or even two scum to be on formerfish, and at most one on zek here. There's the vague possibility that many scum are on zek and the whole claiming thing was organized as a bus given daychat, but I have a hard time seeing zek as anything but a hardcore derp in this game.

Elyse was on zek just prior to this VC, but she jumped immediately on hearing the claim. Not sure that's damning, since I'd have done the same (lynching a claimed 1S vig on day 1 is stupid).

Vote Count 1.10 - burgeoning Sthar wagon

sthar8

(5) - Elyse, Green Crayons, pisskop, Ythan,

Nikanor

Marquis (4) - DeathNote,

PeregrineV

,

Porochaz

,

Untrod Tripod

Zekrom25

(2) -

Formerfish

, Marquis

Formerfish

(1) - Yates

Untrod Tripod

(1) -

Zekrom25

Elyse (1) -

Cabd

RadiantCowbells (1) - RadiantCowbells

Malakittens

(1) - pirate mollie
pirate mollie (1) -

Malakittens

Not Voting (4) -

OhGodMyLife

,

sthar8

,

kagami

, tman2nd

State of the game 2 days prior to deadline, where we see the sthar wagon beginning, which will eventually lead to a lynch. After this point, it's pretty unlikely that an alternative wagon will spring up with the deadline looming, so if marquis is town, scum should be feeling pretty comfortable here. If marquis is scum, then I would presume the wagon is entirely town, while if marquis is town, DeathNote has a good chance of being scum, since the marquis wagon would be a great safety spot for scum-votes. Either way, prob at least one scumvote on sthar by now.

Vote Count 1.13 - lynch wagons

sthar8

(11) - Elyse, Green Crayons, pisskop, Ythan,

Nikanor

,

kagami

, Yates, pirate mollie, Marquis,

Malakittens

,

Formerfish

(LYNCH)
Marquis (6) - DeathNote,

PeregrineV

,

Porochaz

, tman2nd, RadiantCowbells,

Untrod Tripod

Untrod Tripod (1) -

Zekrom25

Elyse (1) -

Cabd

Not Voting (2) -

OhGodMyLife

,

sthar8

Deadline lynch, but interesting in that all of the non-zekrom scum are on a wagon. Do we believe that all of them (almost certainly 4) are on sthar? Prob not. There is one or very likely two scum among DN, tman, and RC.

I think this is legit.

That deadline lynch on Sthar which Kag points out that not all scum are likely on his wagon. I agree and didn't notice that because I don't do VC stuff and have the time, VC stuff is bull shit but when it comes down to POE like this, it just makes sense.

[DeathNote]

I mean... everyone understands the concept of lynching the VT right? You do that because if Kag lives, mafia knows she isn't a threat (PR wise).

[Kagami]

No?

Just because I'm VT does not mean they're going to keep me alive.

[DeathNote]

Right but you are not a PR. Leaving you alive and lynching someone else just narrows the PR pool and threatens the last Mason plus any other PRs we may have.

[Kagami]

I don't think we need to rely on PRs to win, tbqh

[DeathNote]

Ok?

But that doesn't mean we should increase the odds of him getting killed. You were deemed a scum slot. The only reason you claim is so that we make sure we are not lynching a PR and once VT comes out, we lynch that. Plain and simple.

Sure, I think you had some very pro-town posts but that doesn't mean you slot is guaranteed not being scum unlike our Mason.

[Green Crayons]

We are lynching Kagami today. I don't mind letting the discussions go on a bit but a claim was reached and there is no reason to not lynch her. I do appreciate the feedback she is giving though and hopefully the info she is providing will help us catch some scum.

I like the VC analysis and normally I don't care at all about them.

Can you please explain the bolded? I don't follow what you're saying.

Oh I was mixing up the terms VC and VT and therefore confused myself.

[Green Crayons]

Ok?

But that doesn't mean we should increase the odds of him getting killed. You were deemed a scum slot. The only reason you claim is so that we make sure we are not lynching a PR and once VT comes out, we lynch that. Plain and simple.

Sure, I think you had some very pro-town posts but that doesn't mean you slot is guaranteed not being scum unlike our Mason.

I mean, the fact that the slot received another replacement complicates the analysis. If Kagami hadn't replaced in, I would agree with you. But now, I see the decision as being: is the replacement's town qualities (solid contributions which you admit you like as town) outweigh the prior players' scumminess, or is it outweighed by that prior scumminess?


Under that analysis, and in this situation, I don't think so. EPM actively lurked pretty hardcore, and NS just straight up lurked -- which have been attributed as being scumplay for both players. Relatively speaking (that is, getting past the fact that you have to read a bunch), it's easy to come into a game and throw down some observations that sound pretty solid. So the previous scumminess outweighs the current indications of town play. Although, admittedly, the current town play makes it a hard vote, but that can be attributable to it just being a whole new personality filling the slot.


That said, still happy with my vote.

[Ythan]

which have been attributed as being scumplay for both players.

Way to take a stand gc.