Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: Cephrir

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Getting a little ahead of ourselves, aren't we, Aegor?

VOTE: Lord Mhork

Hi :3

I was right last time; I am right this time.

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VOTE: fuzzy

Wagon ahoy

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FoS: Aronis

Rolefishing much?

Fuzzy

, absolutely do not claim.

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You people seem to be intent on lynching him without any discussion or hesitation.

There is an enormous distinction between L-2, L-1, and lynch.

And I wonder how scum are on my wagon.... this is obvious lynchbait material and scum knows its. Really if I scum I am going to make myself an easy lynch on my first statement.... people are jumping on a random RVS statement. If the town is going to win we need to play smarter than just jumping on random statement, right now im a bit worried if the town can win when it town are just surface reading people.

im not claiming at l-2

read my other games.... you will see I play an awkward game especially as town..... if you want to lynch me than fine lynch me... I would hate to be mislynched but hopefully if I get mislynch it will give some clues who the scum are.

You would be better off posting only when you have questions for other players and/or want to make a case.

You are, no joke, the biggest lynchbait I have ever seen.

Oh please this post is such blatant ATE, and your last was worded that it almost guaranteed to be a scum slip. You are getting lynched this game, and hopefully today after I find out what is going on with Aronis.

VOTE: PhD

Everything he has posted is bad.

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Tiphaine is also probably scum for being the fourth of seven votes on a wagon and then complaining that the wagon escalated too quickly.

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#1. Yeah, 2 votes. Not hard to accomplish with lurking / unaware / oblivious town and super excited / anxious scum.

Then the appropriate action is to encourage unvotes and raise awareness about the situation, not push for a claim. Because that is irrelevant anyway if we are dealing with people that hammer-happy anyway.

#2. Everything PHD posted was bad up until that point? Care to expound?

1) Willing to lynch by post 16
2) Inappropriate pessimism in post 22
3) Claim in post 39 that fuzzy is appealing to emotion when such a claim is absurd. Claim of a scum slip that he later admitted was ridiculous. I could very easily see this coming from scum attempting to force an early lynch and then planning to act surprised when a page 3 lynch flips town.
etc.

Tiphaine is also probably scum for being the fourth of seven votes on a wagon and then complaining that the wagon escalated too quickly.

Again, expound. Why is this a scum tell? Why is that post coming from scum motivation more than town?

Because it is obviously not genuine. Someone hops on a wagon with absolutely no stated reason adn then jumps off when it gets hot because it "escalated too quickly?" No way.

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Not liking neil's questions. They seem extremely defensive to me.

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That does not make it AtE, and you should know better.

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Neil's Antihero vote is hilariously awful.

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Mastin

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Please...no walls...or long posts explaining feelings...please.........................

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Agreed, except for that last part. I don't think it is irrelevant, because if we have hammer-happy people in this game, one vote can't exactly hammer someone unless others have put them at L-1... But I do see your point with pushing for a claim. That's absolutely true, it's a terrible request.

Thank you.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

Because they are mutually exclusive in motivation. If someone votes on a wagon for no reason, it signals a willingness to let the wagon continue. It makes no sense to jump on a wagon that is already at full speed and then jump off because it "escalated too quickly." It was escalating by the time Tiph jumped on it, so why jump off? And why jump off for no reason and then not comment on the wagon at all? Surely if one felt it escalated too quickly, one would have something more to say?

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Neil's Antihero vote is hilariously awful.

^^^^^


Where is your Neil vote?!?

Nowhere because he does not deserve a vote. His vote on you was awful, necessarily scummy.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

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VOTE: neil

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but consider my vote equally on TP.

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1) not scummy
2) not scummy
3) not scummy

I think that together they are. So there.

@Aegor:
Why do you say this about Neil:

There was a typo: it should have been "

not

necessarily scummy"

But you were on the wagon for Fuzzy:

How are my feelings about neil related at all to my presence on the fuzzy wagon?

Aegor: Why the Neil vote?

Because his posts are suspiciously and overly aggressive, full of personal attacks that feel less than genuine to me, full of truly awful reasoning. And his Antihero vote was particularly nonsensical and ill-founded. In short, his posts read like scum trying to take control of town while taking refuge in audacity. I was wavering on this read ("=not necessarily scummy") but his continued posting put me over the edge.

And if fuzzy flips scum, neil deserves intense scrutiny.

I see people have a town read on Aegor and I don't get that at all. I didn't like that he stuck up for Neil, then voted him.

Could you please show me where I stuck up for Neil? I do not see that anywhere.

[quote="PV]
1) So was Cephrir (17), TD (15), Angel (14), Monkey (13), and Mhork (12)
2) "Inappropriate pessimism is such an exact phrase that exactly describes 11.
3) Fuzzy admitted to using it in 79. You claim he's wrong (90, 91)
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1) You are just flat-out wrong. PhD was the first to actually express willingness to end the day in 16.
2) So? Does that change the fact that PhD's post was inappropriately pessimistic? No.
3) This is an argumentum ab auctoritate. Just because fuzzy said it was AtE does not actually make it AtE.

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@Ceph: That is indeed how I interpreted 17. But that is not a standalone reason to vote either of you. At the time of my vote, PhD seemed the scummiest. There was very little content, so I worked with what I had and made a judgment based on the low amount of info available to me.

Why are they scummy?

None of them have town motivation to me, and all of them have very plausible scum motivation.

Here...Then quickly voted here.

I do not see any "sticking up for neil." Surely you are not saying that refusal to vote someone at a given time is "sticking up" for that person? That is obviously ridiculous.

You felt neil was awful but voted for Fuzzy. I'm trying to understand how one player's views you see as awful but voted for Fuzzy at the start of the game.

I still fail to see how my initial vote on fuzzy has anything whatsoever to do with a much later assessment on a completely different player. You will have to explain this to me as you would to a young child.

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VOTE: Tiphaine

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TD, why would the vote delay bother you? I am a bit confused about your line of reasoning.

Also, thanks for justifying my vote.

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I'm sorry by the way to everyone in this game, but I just don't see the case on TD, at least not nearly as much as everyone else does to warrant a vote. I'm still reading TD as sorry town (like apologetic town, not terrible town), and it seems to me like he's just trying to play the game. He's just sheepish that's all.

Why are they scummy?

None of them have town motivation to me, and all of them have very plausible scum motivation.

How is 2 and 3 scum motiviated.
2 is an oppinion and 3 the player admited it was AtE.

2 is a justification for ending the day at one page. Scum motivation is self-evident. The fact that fuzzy said his play was AtE does not make his post AtE. Scar's push benefits from a claim of AtE against fuzzy.

Dude you stated it was not necessarily scummy. How does that read I still think the guy is scummy?

Because that one act was not necessarily scummy. It could still be scummy, but even if it is not, that does not mean that he is not scum or that an assessment of his posting as a whole does not suggest he is scum.

Mom voice: Sweetie you see there is a person. He said something really dumb and scummy. I saw you voted for him. But other person says something that is also dumb and scummy but you didn't think it was so scummy.
I was wondering
if you can at all that is
explain why you voted for one over the other.

I believe I voted for both, so where is the problem?

Now if you thought Neil was scummy over all why didn't you vote at the time and vote TD?

I do have rankings of scumminess. I have lynch pools. So my vote does not mean I view that person as the scummiest. In some cases, my vote does not even suggest that I think the person is scum.

Also why the switch from Neil to TD? What changed your mind?

TD's corpus of posts. But, as I said, my vote is basically equally on both.

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1) Just because PhD was the first to actually express willingness to end the day does not mean he was actually willing to end the day. (see 3 above)

He still expressed willingness, and that willingness could affect the votes of others. It is of a completely different class of action than 3).

2) I guess it's a matter of degree. Fuzzy's post was

very, wildly

inappropriate pessimism, and PhD's was

could be interpreted by Aegor as

inappropriate pessimism.

And I am exercising my right to make such judgments.

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@Lord Mhork: Hey, that is my lynch pool!

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ABR:

give us more.

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More

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2 is a justification for ending the day at one page. Scum motivation is self-evident. The fact that fuzzy said his play was AtE does not make his post AtE. Scar's push benefits from a claim of AtE against fuzzy.

2. Has nothing to do with ending the day. You are thinking of point 1.

Not true. Point 2 was basically a way to justify ending the day early and doing no work.

I don't even know how you can possibly think that because a player that is being accused of AtE and admits that it is AtE does not = AtE.

The conclusion that it was AtE only follows if one assumes that we never err about ourselves.

I really don't get the difference.

"Not necessarily scummy" = possibly scummy, possibly not scummy.

I seriously don't know how you don't get what I'm putting down at this point.

You didn't vote for the guy till later!

Why does that matter?

So you vote based on what you feel at the time, who you think is the scummiest or where ever the wind goes that agrees with your reads?

All of the above, yes.

Why are you still supsicious of Neil? Did you think his comments were BS and he did all that as scum?
If so what would be the motive as scum?

Push bad cases under the façade of aggression and get mislynches.

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VOTE: Aronis for aforementioned reasons.

TD and Neil also scum. Fuzzy possibly scum.

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"All of the sudden?"

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I never considered fuzzy town. His persistent lack of contributions has pushed him from null to scum.

PhD has weakened to null as other players have become scummier.

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But I would still happily vote him as well.

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Policy lynching still bad, insert old arguments here.

Cephrir is scum with Aegor methinks.

So much OMGUS...

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VOTE: monkey

Weak defense with no scumhunting? Scumtell numero uno.

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scum bussing ^

So you know that monkey is scum?

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The problem is I've seen monkey get attempted PL'D before, and how frustrated he gets by it, as town, where he is coming from makes sense to me :/.

So do you think that he is scum or town in this game?

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Then maybe you should eliminate the soundness of the premise by posting content.


VOTE: ABR

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Then maybe you should eliminate the soundness of the premise by posting content.


VOTE: ABR

oh yeah? why?

that's not really talking about Neil parroting Mhork. I take it you still think he's scum?

Still ok with killing Monkey,

i'm a big picture guy, nero. in large games, there's usually about 3-4 conversations going on a time so ignoring something isn't necessarily bad by itself

FYI: the case on monkey has nothing to do with lack of "content"

You saw that too, didn't you?

@Anti: what is bad?


So, ABR is following this thread.

I like my vote.

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You not actually making an effort makes you scummy. You posted nothing but factual information.

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I am ambivalent about ending a large game with so much time left and with so little involvement from some players (coughcoughABRcoughcough), but if the game will drag because people are already set on Monkey, so be it.

Does no one else feel like there is nothing to be gained by continuing the day?

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Is the monkey wagon like a legit end-the-day wagon, or are we going to transfer to yet another player?

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Shoot. I was debating whether I should hammer.

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Hanharr is a bounty hunter. Hardly pro-town.

Do you not think that scum have fakeclaims? I think there is a 0% chance that Hanharr is a scum flavor role.

Why are your posts so scummy?

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VOTE: Tiphaine

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ISO me for the answer

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Monkey and Tiphaine, the two easiest lynches of the day, and town are just eating them up, giving the scum everything they want.

Maybe there is a reason that they are easy lynches. Maybe it is because they are scum and got caught because they were obvious. Maybe you should consider the obvious possibilities and explain why they are inappropriate.

Confirm Vote: Aegor

Does anyone have any stats on confirm votes from town v. scum?

I won't compromise to lynch someone I feel is a mislynch.

Good for you! That means so much 16 days before deadline.

By the way, completely noticed your jump off of the wagon strategy so when your mislynch (Monkey) takes place, you can say "I was on the Tiphaine wagon!" Good move to avoid the inevitable VCA Aegor...

Now I am scummy because of a hypothetical future action?

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Yep.

People I would not mind dying today:

{Monkey, TP, neil, ABR}

First three are straight-up scummy, and ABR is scummily useless.

I could go either way on fuzzy at the moment, but I see little reason to lynch anyone else.

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VOTE: Monkey

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lol

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Well done, Aegor. Good play.

<3 ABR

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Obviously

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Fuzzy should be vigged ASAP.

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k. I am not worried about that at all; I am not getting lynched.

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Well, speculation is obviously moot now.

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VOTE: Tiphaine Death obviously.


BTW you are welcome, everyone.

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VOTE: neil

TD still scum

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Scum:

TiphaineDeath

Spoiler:

Policy lynching still bad, insert old arguments here.
Cephrir is scum with Aegor methinks.

confirmation bias, it is cute. why is monkey scum cephrir?

The problem is I've seen monkey get attempted PL'D before, and how frustrated he gets by it, as town, where he is coming from makes sense to me :/.

Fuck, cephrir's 409-411-414 are horrible. I already have him as a scumread. He is ass covering hard. I'm sorry guys I can't hammer when that shit is going on. Aegor's 408 is also pretty bad.

Cephrir and Aegor are scum together this game, and there is no way in hell monkey is with them.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Cephir currently more confident on this read.

Also note the dual use of the word ambivalent, I suspect scum daychat.

Neil, for his awful confirm vote post on me.

Boom. Done.

PhD looks good after this post:

How is voting him "for bad posts and reads" not voting him for being scummy? And how is the person who does it bad?
People seem to be unvoting monkey for the stupidest reasons and I have yet to see any one saying "unvote because these posts are town" or "unvote becuase this person just became my top scum for these reasons" which is the only reason to unvote without intent to hammer announced.

@Farside: where is my vote?

VOTE: monkey

Weak defense with no scumhunting? Scumtell numero uno.

scum bussing ^

And convince me that is not a slip.

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What leads you to think vezok was bussing? And why is Aronis scum?

PV for inactivity or something else? AD?

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VOTE: Tiphaine

While I agree with the vote. Why?

VOTE: TD

If one of Aronis/TD is scum, the other is scum.

If one of PV and neil is scum, the other is scum.


@AD:

I would rather post something before lynching this dide. Please wait warmrly

What did you want to post?


Scum is in {neil, TD, PV, AD, Aronis}.

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Soooom I need to reevaluate the everything :/. Hopefully things will make sense again shortly.

I am excited to see what lie you will come up with!

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Neil's response to Anti makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. At no point can it be inferred that Neil was actually considering either of them as scum, or even null.


There is literally no reason whatsoever to keep TD alive.

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Also Maybe it is just me I find this unsettling.... Feels like he trying to take credit for the hammer when anyone could of switched their vote and hammered. Kinda seems like an attempt to grab town creds. I am willing to listen to where I am wrong . Not going say he is scummy but it does ping my radar a bit.

LOL

Fuzzy, do you have a QT of some kind?

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To be completely honest, after a quick glimpse, I see no case against TD. I see no reason to "burn him with fire" or any of that nonsense... would you like to present one for the first time in this entire game?

Are you kidding me? Please tell me you were just talking about Anti not having a case, because my ISO is full of reasons why TD is scum, starting from like page 2.

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Fuzzy, why is Pere, out of everyone, interesting to you?

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@ aegor: I thought you were scum and I read monkey as scum, hence my bussing statement.
I still think your hemming and hawing about talking more or hammering looks manufactured.
However that said I think td is scum and I can't for the life of me imagine scum bussing back to back days.

Farside, just realized I did not respond to this. If TD flips town, am I still then your #1 suspect?

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Aegar
I find his action / comment suspicious.....This is not to say I have forgotten Neil and TD.
Aegar, what is your read on Pere? Why do you believe TD is scummier than Neil?

Why were PV's actions more suspicious than all of the other votes on TD?

I think that TD's behavior throughout the game is more consistently scum-motivated than neil's. I could go for either, but I feel much stronger about my TD read than my neil read.

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That is not what I asked. I asked why you singled out PV out of all those voting for TD. Why did he pique your curiosity, specifically? What post, and why?

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Aegar.
My curiosity had nothing to do with his vote on TD .The two things are unrelated. He could be voting for Underachiever, You or anybody else and I would of done the same thing. He said and did a few things that seemed odd to me and I wanted to investigate a bit more

Did I answer your question?

No, because I still do not know what he did that seemed odd to you and what you are investigating.

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Farside, just realized I did not respond to this. If TD flips town, am I still then your #1 suspect?

Yes.
Frankly I have not forgotten my suspicions on you. Anyone that thinks your town....*looks* not really.

And no a hammer on a player that most wanted lynch does not give you auto town points.

Perhaps you should worry about such matters once I actually start passing off my hammer as a basis for townreading me? I think you should have a more open mind.

@farside: what do you think the odds of vezok's monkey vote being a bus are?

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Mod, if you would be so kind as to fix the tags in my last post...

Fixed

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oh yeah, what's this?

BTW you are welcome, everyone.

Stating the obvious. Did I call myself town? No.

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ActionDan and Aronis

: please post substantive content.

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I wanted recognition. I expected no towncred.

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Although I would not say no to any that comes my way.

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Anyway, Anti, do you have a scumblock and/or townbloc?

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I'm much more comfortable with an Aegor lynch than a TD lynch

, seeing as how I don't find Aegor's play this game to be comforting to his alignment like I would other games when he was town.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like we're even attempting to target scum, with everyone tunneling on TD or me (

with no real cases found

),

VOTE: neil1113

There is literally no way anyone actually reading this thread can possibly state that with a straight face.

both I'm fairly certain will be flipping town,

Surely you know whether you will flip town?

and nobody wanting to go after the hiding scum (Aegor) or his partners, who are probably lurking since it's really easy to do with the whole town tunneling mislynches.

Given your colossally incorrect read of monkey, maybe you should be more conservative in your current reads on other players.

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Oh, and by the way, I would love to see your case on me.

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I also do have content btw. Not much to be sure but if you're skilled enough you can read it.

So basically, your content exists but is unverifiable because anyone who does not see it is clearly not skilled enough? OK...

Lynchpool: {neil, TD, AD, Fuzzy}

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Does anyone feel strongly about TD v. neil; if so, why?

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Thoughts on Aronis?

VOTE: TD

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That question is moot now, but I guess the answer would be interesting nonetheless.

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Still a bit confused -- what do you mean?

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Where is the crumb? Why would crumbling be a towntell? My experience has not suggested that at all.

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I actually feel like vomming right now.

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Why the hell are a third of the players not voting yet?

Mod, what is the deal with PhD and Arc?

Everyone, vote.

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VOTE: ActionDan

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VOTE: monkey

Weak defense with no scumhunting? Scumtell numero uno.

This guy is mod confirmed scum by the way.

Just thought y'all should know.

Source please?

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Not gonna lie, I am turned on a little bit.

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Game days or real days? Because the former is clearly unacceptable.

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Why is ABR scum?

Does anyone feel AD is town? Why?

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I'm confused if Aegor is such confirmed scum, why are we not jumping on that?

Sheeping ABR. VOTE: neil1113 for all the reasons I have wanted him lynched since Day 1.

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I will attempt to respond to farside's case. Since the case is built on interpretation rather than evidence (this is not necessarily a bad thing), some of the responses will be nothing more than corrections of my actual motivations.

This and other things he mentions about Neil are not scummy. Awful votes stand out more.

I did find them scummy, so...

When Monkey was just coming around this was Aegor's reason for jumping on the wagon.

VOTE: monkey

Weak defense with no scumhunting? Scumtell numero uno.

What is the problem? My analysis turned out to be on point and was certainly an accurate characterization of his posting.

Then even though Monkey had barely explain a scum read he goes here with his vote:

Then maybe you should eliminate the soundness of the premise by posting content.


VOTE: ABR

So? Switching votes is not scummy, and ABR had not contributed at all. My ABR vote was an attempt to acquire more info; my read on Monkey was solid.

Many things with Monkey goes on where Monkey makes up a list of reads on people that clearly look like a player who iso'ed the game instead of reading and we have this comment.

I am ambivalent about ending a large game with so much time left and with so little involvement from some players (coughcoughABRcoughcough), but if the game will drag because people are already set on Monkey, so be it.

Does no one else feel like there is nothing to be gained by continuing the day?

No one answered this, but if he wanted more conversation then he shouldn't want to hammer.

I said I was ambivalent about ending the day; I did not say that I wanted more conversation. You are more than welcome to meta me regarding both my extreme aversion to deadline lynches and my hatred of slow games. The game did drag on in my opinion after the monkey wagon hit near-hammer, so I hammered.

Hanharr is a bounty hunter. Hardly pro-town.

Do you not think that scum have fakeclaims? I think there is a 0% chance that Hanharr is a scum flavor role.

Why are your posts so scummy?

Sticks up for the fake claim

I did not stick up for the fake claim at all. And I was ultimately right: Hanharr was the fakeclaim, which I noted. Aronis' attack was scummy-bad because he was attempting to secure a lynch based on flavor name when any competent mod would not design a game breakable by flavor spec. I fail to see the problem with my post.

Yep.

People I would not mind dying today:

{Monkey, TP, neil, ABR}

First three are straight-up scummy, and ABR is scummily useless.

I could go either way on fuzzy at the moment, but I see little reason to lynch anyone else.

Monkey is on the list, why after the defense?

What defense? Monkey's self-defense? His self-defense is what made me sure he was scum in the first place.

Taking credit for the hammer.

The hammer was mine, so hell yes, I will acknowledge reality by taking credit for it. But I expect no towncred, nor is my statement any less reasonable if I am scum: town should be thankful I hammered regardless of my alignment.

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VOTE: Aegor

the most damning post is probably post 424, which is notably absent from the response

What response is necessary? It was a question that clearly related to my other posts about hammering Monkey.

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so the purpose of the question was..... what?

The original question? Given my other posts, I think the answer is self-evident.

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were you wondering if you should hammer monkey or not? were you wondering if there were any viable counter wagons? both? neither?

*sigh* The former. We had already formed several wagons (beginning with the fuzzy wagon), but the Monkey one seemed to me to have the highest probability of ending in a lynch. I was generally considering voting/hammering Monkey, but as I stated in several posts, did not want to end the day prematurely. As is able to be inferred from my posts, however, "prematurely" is best defined not in number of days remaining but in terms of how much productive discussion could remain. Thus my eventual hammer once discussion stalled and given my pretty solid scumread on Monkey.

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the latter half of the question. did you have a specific player in mind...

Uh, no, otherwise I would have specified another player.

see, i think the answer is that you're scum and you didn't know if you actually had to bus monkey or not. you wanted to be sure that monkey was doomed because, as you've already seen, town herds can be a little finicky. this theory especially makes sense given that monkey was an important power role.

Yes, that is certainly a possible explanation of my actions. It is, however, incorrect because I am town. It should also be implausible to the discriminating player because there would be absolutely no reason to call attention to myself in such an obvious manner when I could instead have just assessed the situation by myself. But yes, if I am scum, then that was a major fuckup on my part.

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Agreed on AD, but I would be fine lynching him today instead of later.

Looking at the list that vezo brought over I'm adding AD to my scum list.

Good.

I'm a bit confused. You hesitate to vote, ask in general if there is another counter wagon, but you feel assured monkey is scum.[/quote
Yes.

Do you see how none of that makes any sense?

No, because it makes perfect sense.

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VOTE: AD

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can someone explain the case for AD... the only thing everyone is going on is he been MIA . ie avoiding posting or coming to the thread. Sorry if I am misunderstanding, I just want to make sure I am getting this right

It is Day 3. He has 8 posts, none of which have content.

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Exactly. And unless he always posts a lot as scum, I see no reason whatsoever to take the risk that he is scum who avoids being lynched because of an unfounded reluctance to lynch based on inactivity and lack of scumhunting.

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Then use the time in a way you find productive instead of complaining about a solid wagon.

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And the resistance to lynching AD with no real effort being made by the detractors kind of makes me want to lynch him more.

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Ok tell me how AD is the scummiest player here.

He has eight posts.

How is he scummier than Pere who naked votes points possible scum.

Because PV has more content. He could still be scum, though. I largely agree with your case against him, but why not lynch AD today and PV tomorrow?

also are we going to accept Aronis claim blindly or are we going to double check his claim till we can be sure he is not fake claiming.

I think it is a genuine claim.

If AD is scum I am all for lynching him but if this is a policy lynch than lynching him is a bad move... prove to me AD is scum and needs to be lynched.

You cannot "prove" anything. The question is rather whether there is a case against someone. AD's total lack of content is scummy, and his lynch has other practical benefits as well.

My lynch pool right now is {neil, AD, PV}.

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Beside the lack of content why is AD scum?

That should be more than enough reason.

If someone has no content, how can there be ADDITIONAL reasons for that person being scum? The person has provided NO REASONS. Having other reasons is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE with a complete lack of content.

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*NO REASONS = no content upon which reasons for thinking him scum could be based

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mod: TheFuzzylogic99 has requested replacement or, if necessary, prods for PV and AD

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VOTE: PeregrineV

He has been posting in plenty of other games, and Fuzzy's analysis is correct.

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I believe that Peregrin slot is scummy so even if he is replaced his replacement will need to be lynched. I am not sure that the case for Action Dan. I would like to give AD replacement a chance and see if we can get a better read on his slot if that is okay with everyone.

Okay, please explain, in detail, why AD gets a free pass while PV does not. And please do not explain again why the PV slot is scummy, please explain why not producing any content whatsoever for three days while posting in other game threads is not scummy.

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Anti, please explain.

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Goat:

GreyICE's problem was that you just parroted Fuzzy's claim that AD was a policy lynch, which he was not. When asked to explain why you considered it a policy lynch, you stated that Fuzzy thought it was. Do you understand how that is a nonsensical response?

Why is he not dead? There's a confirmed guilty on him. Is town really this bad?

This should be good. Do not fullclaim; only explain why I am guilty.

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Neil, would you mind explaining to us why you should not die?

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What is with players not voting this game?

People not voting:

Place votes in your next post.

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1) It is absurd that a fourth of the player base is currently not voting four real days into the third game day. There is no excuse for that unless the players actually have no reads whatsoever, which would be a problem in its own right.

2) Why would I vote neil? The wagons keep hoping from one of my scumspects to another. I am fine with a neil lynch. I am fine with a PV lynch. I am fine with an AD lynch. But I am not going to keep leaping from one to another for no reason, as we are now.


By the way, AD's latest postings make me even more sure he is scum. I would strongly prefer his lynch today but, as stated, would be fine with neil/PV.

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Yes, because neil is a known quantity and can be lynched at any time, while AD could survive until the endgame, which would be disastrous.

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Also someone walk me through the guilty claim thing because the entire debacle makes very little sense to me. I suppose this may be my rationalization, but it seemed to me that neil was perhaps indicating possession of a guilty result on me via GreyICE's assertion of a mod-confirmed guilty rather than possession of a guilty result he himself had received.

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Explain the disturbance sentence; I do not understand it.

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Somehow I totally missed the use-Anti-to-confirm statement.


VOTE: neil

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Also, my reads this game have been pretty effing good compared to the normal quality of my reads.

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Oh, and I want neil to attempt to explain that entire post and all its constituent parts.

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neil,

You are at lynch-1. I highly recommend that you full claim.

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lol

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Flavor spec? Really?

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Also, this is KotOR. And Dark side users can obviously still feel disturbances.

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So...this game reminds me of why I have blacklists.

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vezok, totally not your fault. I thought you played rather well.

I should never have conceded on lynching not-AD the day before I got NKed. ABR played well in avoiding the AD lynch.