Newbie 1488: Igloo-Town Tragedy (Game Over)

[Jake from State Farm]

need a 24/48 hour v /la for family issues. So sorry

[dawn_to_dusk]

give private 24-48 hours. if he hasnt posted by then, hammer him

[Randomnamechange]

jklash, we still have a couple more days of discussion so don't hammer yet.

[jklash12]

That's why I just posted intent. So that we could have more time to hear from private before I hammered.

[Zephyrus]

Zephyrus, please can you answer DDD's questions?

And this would be?

[Randomnamechange]

I'm not sure, but I know DDD asked you questions that you didn't answer. I am satisfied to hammer Private now.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm back from v/la

@ random why were you so interested in buying private time to post and now have given up? looks like a stall tactic gone wrong to me

[Randomnamechange]

He clearly isn't going to post. I have realized this and so have no problem with hammering. I have a decent idea of who is scum, but need to see the flip to see if I am correct. I think I am organized enough to proceed.

[Jake from State Farm]

Well I'm sticking with confirmed scum. When private flips town I'll be looking at who started the counter wagon

[Billi bilaði]

PrivateI hasn't shown me anything yet that gives reason to retract my vote, so it will stay for now. But there is still time.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

So, yeah, fun times.

[Randomnamechange]

So starting a wagon on someone who you think is scum but then flips town is scummy?

[Jake from State Farm]

When it's a counter wagon to scum, absolutely

[Randomnamechange]

But not if I don't think the person on the original wagon is scum. Making a mistake on a scum read is not scummy.

[jklash12]

Well he hasn't posted in over 2 days and nothing makes me believe that he will or has anything good to say. so let's get to hammer time.

VOTE: private

[PrivateI]

First, I want to apologize once again. Finals are next week for us, and so I've been studying and writing.

I want to begin with the person I'm voting for.

Randomidget was someone I voted for on a whim. The one post, I really didn't like, but RM has consistently been posting all game, and dropping some serious towntells. Among these are the fact that he, on multiple occasions, was giving direction in this newbie game to not hammer someone at L-1, and he has been trying to spark and engage in discussion.

Conclusion: Town

Survivalism short of lying is fine, it's just not a scumtell. And of course I want to force my opinion on the town, I want it so that when I want to push my opinion that there are no dissenting opinions.

This seems as scummy as hell. You are basically saying you want us to follow you blindly into whatever you say. Give us one reason why we should do this a few days into Day 1, where you haven't even done anything particularly scummy?

VOTE: PrivateI

No reasoning. Why?
VOTE: Debonair Danny DiPietro
Seems to be the scummiest player so far.

DDD voting private is very suspicious to me. Especially since I just I unvoted them. There were much better options than a randomized vote (due to there being better options) and I kinda gave Private an alibi until further notice, so I see no reason.

VOTE: Debonaire Danny DiPietro

Next, dawn_to_dusk. I chose him simply because he is first on the mod's list, but the fact that he follows RM is an ironic coincidence. You see, DtD has been following RM specifically all game. I've already showed one of these instances, and the quotes above show another. The primary reason I don't have more? DtD votes safe. He only votes for people who have already been labeled as "suspicious" for one action or another by other players, usually RM. My hypothesis? DtD saw RM as town very early on, and chose to follow a safe town vote. This isn't alignment indicative in and of itself, but he has desperately been trying to stay beneath the radar for the entire game. In addition, not a SINGLE post of DtD's mentions RM. None. This means that while he is giving us his (safe, already confirmed by other players) scum reads, he certainly is not mentioning those players who are town. With that in mind,

Conclusion: Potential Scum

I am actually not against DDD's private vote. I like it. Looking at Private's posts He has just asked questions in his last couple posts and not much of substance as far as trying to find scum. This would be a good tactic for scum because 1. It gives you more posts and looks like you are active 2. Looks like to other town that you are trying to figure out the game.

VOTE: Private

Let's move on to jklash12. While jklash has been also lying low, and as a whole simply joining wagons, he has also been asking some good questions throughout the game. However, the fact that this is the only thing of substance that he does coupled with the quote I took from him makes me think strongly this is hypocritical scum. However, I don't have enough evidence for that, so,

Conclusion: Null, Leaning Scum

All right, guys, welcome to Mafia! So many RVS votes...

InnocentVillager, you say that it's usually scum that attacks you because of your name. That's an intriguing statement. Do you have any games to back that up?

Did a little digging:

innocentvillager:
Game 1 (1222 town):

Vincent2128 (town), vijay2vasandani (town)

Game 2 (1247 scum): (voted for lurking)
Game 3 (1249 town):

Shed (town)

Game 4 (1263 scum): (only voted after blocking)
Game 5 (1279 town): (not voted for name)
Game 6 (1281 town): (not voted for)
Game 7 (1376 town): (voted on play)
Game 8 (1375 scum):

Nachomamma8 (town) ? maybe a name vote

Game 9 (1396 town):

DoctorPepper (town)

Game 10 (open 509 town):

Thomas (scum)

NicolBolas, town, for reply)

In first 9 games (all newbies) he's voted 4 (maybe 5) times for his name. Every time by townies.
First in Game 10 (an Open one) is he voted for name from a mafioso.

Didn't have time to analyze further, so I second PrivateI's request for games to backup that statement.

Now, we come to Billi. Billi, as many, many players have pointed out, was the towniest of the D1 players. It was his intro into D2 that got him tripped up. While I still absolutely hate the type of setup spec that he was trying to do, especially since it had the potential to misguide many players, I don't think it was from a malicious mindset. Also, let's remember this post on the very first page of D1. This is a player who wants to find scum. With that in mind,

Conclusion: Town

Mod, your playerlist still shows fused_shadows as playing in this game, when he was replaced by Jake.

Which made it quite confusing. Fused cannot be read based on his RVS posts, in my humble opinion, so I am forced to rely entirely on his replacement, Jake from State Farm. Jake had a horrible entrance into this game by voting for me, but I feel as though his reaction test worked. If, on the other hand, it had resulted in my being lynched early on because of a quickhammer, I might not have the same love for Jake. Anyway, Jake, while I feel his attack on Billi specifically may have been incorrect, it's definitely the same conclusion I drew early on as well. Regardless of Billi's alignment, Jake is likely town.

Conclusion: Null, Leaning Town

Zephyrus. Zephyr is so charmingly newbie that I can barely believe it. Everything, especially his question concerning not lynching on D1, rings completely true with no pretense. Zeph, I hope you learn a lot this game, and definitely continue to play.

Conclusion: Town

And, now, just the one person left. DDD is all that remains for me to read. DDD is the only person that's truly null to me. While he's contributing, he's not doing it in the way I typically expect town players to, especially an IC. I'm really sorry that I have to be this vague, but this "read" can't be based on anything. I don't want you to be led astray either way, so I'll leave you with this.

Conclusion: Null

Now, time for some consideration. I will definitely

VOTE: Unvote

VOTE: DtD

But besides that, I don't know what I can do. I feel as though I'm getting hammered anyway, so best of luck to the town, and get the scum tomorrow!

[Billi bilaði]

Second twilight in a row the lynched player comes with a strong post. Sheeesh.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

To be fair it looks like he was writing that as he got hammered so there's a slim chance it's still scum deception because that's exactly the sort of post you want to make in that position but I won't be banking on that.

[Randomnamechange]

Damn. Sorry about that. Thanks for the bit on dtd, I hadn't notice this.
If I die tonight, which is quite likely, I would like you to lynch dtd, ddd, or jklash. This is my opinion.

[PrivateI]

Well he hasn't posted in over 2 days and nothing makes me believe that he will or has anything good to say. so let's get to hammer time.

VOTE: private

Ugh. I spent the better part of an hour writing that. Any final questions I can respond to before the flip?

[Randomnamechange]

OK. What do you think of billi's 'slip' on first page of day 2?
What do you think of Jake's aggressiveness?
Who would you have lynched instead of yourself today?
Who do you think we should lynch tomorrow?
Who do you think a hypothetical doctor should protect tonight?

[PrivateI]

OK. What do you think of billi's 'slip' on first page of day 2?

I've posted my thoughts about it in the summary. Essentially, I feel like it was simple setup spec that was woefully misguided.

What do you think of Jake's aggressiveness?

Toward Billi? It was warranted, as I said in my summary, though I feel he was ultimately wrong.

Who would you have lynched instead of yourself today?

DtD or Jklash

Who do you think we should lynch tomorrow?

DtD or Jklash

Who do you think a hypothetical doctor should protect tonight?

For reasons that you should know, I am not going to give this a response. The doctor should protect who the doctor will protect. If the doctor exists.

[PrivateI]

OK. What do you think of billi's 'slip' on first page of day 2?
What do you think of Jake's aggressiveness?

Sorry, I'm trying to get as much info out before the flip as possible.

Billi's slip was weird, but he explained it well, and no red flags were thrown up in anyone else's mind.

Jake attacked it, and rightfully so, and I feel like that was a town thing to do.

[Jake from State Farm]

So then why did you put billi at l-1if it wasn't for the slip?

[Jake from State Farm]

Also I'm being aggressive? This is fairly tame for me