Micro 324: Bridge Mafia (D3, 6/9 alive)

[jklash12]

VOTE: egg

Hi! I like my eggs scrambled.

[jklash12]

VOTE: jklash12

the scumbird

To be precise it's a cardinal

[jklash12]

Thanks Mala, I am very honored to be the recipient of your vote.

[jklash12]

Why is trying to get out of RVS a town tell?

[jklash12]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Don't vote Mala! She's too good to lose if she's town.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Don't vote Mala! She's too good to lose if she's town.

or,

Vote Mala! She's too dangerous if she's not town.

Ok we can agree that Mala is town or scum. Let's wait to hear more from her, so we can discuss this more accurately.

Why don't you?

Instead of egging him on

And nice egg pun Mala

[jklash12]

Why is trying to get out of RVS a town tell?

Because getting out of RVS stage is good for town. When we're in RVS, there is little information available for us to analyse in order to think about people's motivations. Also, because RVS consists of a lot of jokes or statements which shouldn't be taken seriously, it would be easier for scum to cover up/brush off any slips that they might make.

Thus, trying to get out of RVS is good for town because it helps move discussions forwardd so that scum can be found.

That makes sense. There is no need to stay in RVS too long anyways because it is just a way to start the game out.

[jklash12]

I would still consider wolfy a slight town because the longer the town stays in RVS the more time they are wasting not looking for scum.

[jklash12]

Secondly, yes you made it clear you were purposefully trolling. However, that part in brackets did seem pretty self-conscious to me – as though you felt it was necessary to make sure everyone else perceived that the Arc vote was a not-serious reaction. That is what pinged on my scum radar.

I don't think that someone would think this much about their trolling to point where they are self conscious and feel to go over the top. Do you think trolling is a scum tell? If so why?

[jklash12]

Mala's questioning of Antihero is probably the most awkward I've ever seen Mala. Not quite sure what to make of it. But I kinda feel like as scum she wouldn't question a player like Antihero. Mixed feelings there. Slight town lean I think.

Your last sentence actually took me aback. I thought you were fixing to say that you were leaning scum on Mala. I like both of these points though. I agree with you on both accounts.

wait a second... i thought you just finished telling me that mala's questioning was all good in the neighborhood and

i'm

the one who's being unclear and huffing the dipshit glue.

as for egg's sentence, i personally can't really follow it, but i don't know what "a player like antihero" means.

This post seems very odd to me. It's not scummy just seems a bit off. It sounds like some of you have played with antihero before, can someone tell me if this type/tone of posting is typical of him?

[jklash12]

I was just asking what your play style was like

[jklash12]

I will say you are original though. I've never heard someone say "huffing dipshit glue" before

[jklash12]

Redcoyote: like insanity asked do you think lucky was scum because of his trolling posts?

[jklash12]

well, poo to you

cool story: jklash continues to be newbscum

And how is this because I wouldn't exactly consider myself a newbie at this point

[jklash12]

well, poo to you

cool story: jklash continues to be newbscum

How so? What has he done since the last time you commented about him?

Also jklash, do you think Egg is scummy? Is there any reason why you're still voting for him?

Nah it was just an RVS vote. I guess I never unvoted him.

UNVOTE:

[jklash12]

Nah it was just an RVS vote. I guess I never unvoted him.

UNVOTE:

This is baaaaaaaaaaaaad.

So, let me get this straight, right after I get through saying that Mala and Wolfy are scummy for not having a vote down at this late date and Antihero chiming in saying that you should be in that group of people that aren't voting (in your case, not voting "seriously"), you decide to unvote without voting someone?

This screams of, "Oh, crap, my name came up in a bad way, I better try to do something that makes me look good".

As I told Wolfy, one of the few things I like to point to as a way to differentiate scum from town is whether or not I think a player is actively trying to hunt scum/get someone lynched. If they are not doing this at all times (with some leeway for the start of the game, of course), then they are suspect.

In short, you are doing this. This post is not good.

I don't get what you are trying to say here. Your 1st and 2nd parts after the "this is bad" contradict each other. In the first part you say I did something that made me look bad because I didn't vote someone but in the second part you I did that to make myself look good. Why would I think it would look good to unvote when you were saying people were scummy for not having a vote down?

[jklash12]

VOTE: lucky

[jklash12]

...I don't think selfhammering is a very town thing to do Wolfy...???

VOTE: lucky

Why the naked vote? Before, you doubted that scum could be self conscious about their trolling. Now, do you/why do you think Lucky is scum?

Nah I was wrong. Lucky is town. Insanity, you are scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Insanity

[jklash12]

wolfy lynch is suboptimal

^I agree with this.

Why jklash over Lucky though?

Current reads.

RedCoyote - leaning scum
Malakittens - slight leaning scum
insanity018 - leaning town
ArcAngel9 - leaning town
Lucky2u - slight leaning town
Antihero - null
Egg - null
jklash12 - slight leaning scum

I'm most interested in your read of:

Mala: Is this only from the association you mentioned earlier with RedCoyote? Or do you have other reasons?

And why you think jklash is scummy

Why Insanity is scum. He sets himself up to let others "convince" him that I am scum and then ride the wagon.

[jklash12]

He sets himself up to let others "convince" him that I am scum and then ride the wagon.

lolwut

So are you implying your Lucky vote was a trap?

Yes

Why Insanity is scum. He sets himself up to let others "convince" him that I am scum and then ride the wagon.

I see this and think it is a bad logic from a town pov.

How is it bad logic?

@Antihero:
Because it don't look like scum giving that logic? I can see roughly, somehow, the thought process of newb town.
Then let me ask you instead, how does that ring scum to you?

because it's a really awkward and forced angle, considering that insanity never actually sheeped anyone or held a continuous conversation with me about jklash.

also, considering how it contrasts with the rest of his iso it almost feels.... coached. like scum have day talk and he was fed the case.

So he was fed a case that's really awkard and forced with bad logic?
You are not making sense.

@jklash

:

Why is lucky town all of a sudden. Mind explaining your thought processes on why you switched on him?

I never said lucky was scum.

He sets himself up to let others "convince" him that I am scum and then ride the wagon.

lolwut

So are you implying your Lucky vote was a trap?

What trap could there have been?

No, I think it was: "Oh crap someone's calling me out inconsistencies in my vote. Because I have no explanation, I'll call them scum instead."

Not sure how to explain this properly but there also seems to be a fear factor. jklash is trying to scare me off voting him by implying that if I did so that would make me scum 'riding the wagon.'

UNVOTE: VOTE: jklash

I'm not against lynching Mala. I'm at work atm so I'll have a closer look at her ISO when I get home.

Nah, I really don't care if you vote me because I am town.

So far this game I have been too busy/lazy to scum hunt. I know it sounds dumb but you gotta trust me that I am town. I have never been scum before and I know if I was scum I would be trying a lot harder to look town than just lurking/coasting.

[jklash12]

@Wolfy:

I wanted to lynch you then because i didn't have a read on anyone. And since my predecessor voted you, she must have some reason. I didn't feel any townread from you and with 2 days left. I figured it was an acceptable lynch.

But now i see opportunistic wolfy voting with not a very convincing reason.

@jklash:
Then why did you vote lucky. For fun huh? Since you did not scumread him.

It was a prod dodge til I could come back later and look at things.

[jklash12]

leave the jklash wagon and come join the wolfy wagon everyone! We have cookies here!

Why do you want people off the jklash wagon?
Why do you want people on my wagon?
What flavour cookies?

You're starting to look rather scummy to me, cookies not withstanding.

Now, to stay focused on the game...

I

really

do not like 224, especially

Nah, I really don't care if you vote me because I am town.

So far this game I have been too busy/lazy to scum hunt. I know it sounds dumb but you gotta trust me that I am town. I have never been scum

before

and I know if I was scum I would be trying a lot harder to look town than just lurking/coasting.

"never been scum

before

" - scumslip?

The whole post is just wrong including "I really don't care if you vote me..."

What makes you think we gotta trust you?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: jklash12

That's L-1 I believe.

@eno
Can you clarify why you want to lynch me (without talking about ongoing)? Thanks.

You have to trust because so far I have been playing really bad town.

[jklash12]

It's a scum slip for me because as I have never been scum I would say "I have never been scum"
To say "I have never been scum before" implies that he is scum this time.
It's just a nuance, but to me it's significant. I wouldn't add the word

before

to a sentence which didn't apply now. Adding the word

before

is unnecessary unless there is a difference between the past and the present.

This isn't a scum slip. This doesn't make sense because I wouldn't want to imply that I am scum. Wolfy why would I want to point myself out as scum?

[jklash12]

i am getting ignored... Great.

@jklash:
Then why did you vote lucky. For fun huh? Since you did not scumread him.

@Mala:
Then why was he not scummier than jklash from the start.

mala wrote:
8. Egg Maybe scum? Very little vote in his posts. Seems less like hunting and more like coasting. (more so in null area~)
9. jklash12 - probably scum: Sticky RVS vote and no revote. Very little hunting, coasting. A good chance of being scum.

According to your quote above, you had jklash as more scummy.

Could the above people answer me? Thank You.

@Wolfy:
You are not very town because you didn't do anything that matches the points in my "Traits of wolfy Town" Book.

I read people best when i interact with them. I usually get very little info from just reading.

Why is the case on jklash12 bad? Not just my case, everybody's case.

post like this only make me scumread you more.
Its like you are saying:" Hey jklash is scum. If you disagree, tell me why my case is bad. Not just my case, everyone's case. You are saying half of the town is wrong?" kind of feeling.

@Red:

I don't think i can push wolfy to claim. My vote is already on wolfy. I think those who has the power to swing the day are the people who are sidelining right now. *Hint Hint* Stop sidelining.

And yep, wolfy is my only scumread. I am failing to see jklash scum.

I agree 231 gives me the town feeling. But 232 gave me the chills that he is scum again.

I gotta reread and rethink this.

.... Holy. What is this. We only have 20 hours until the deadline. And since it seems my wolf lynch isn't happening,

VOTE: jklash

jklash. Please claim now.

yeah, I don't like the look of this. You say you don't see me as scum but then just a post later you vote me. How does that make sense because that is not a town thing to do. It is not townie to push a wagon that you don't think is scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: enomis

[jklash12]

Also, antihero what was that with the unvote.

@MALA and JKLASH:
can you guys freaking answer my questions.

And also, I already answered your question.

[jklash12]

horrible vote and claim stalling

hammer time

VOTE: jklash

You killed the townbird

[jklash12]

I wasn't going to claim until there was intent to hammer but you kind of skipped that part anti. If anyone cares it was town neighbor.