Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

[BROseidon]

1) I'm not "forcing" you to do anything. However, when given the chance to bounce ideas off of someone whose alignment is confirmed to you, so why wouldn't you use that to your advantage if you're town?

2) Such reasons, very wow. Also, you can't ignore the context of Serene claiming lyncher to BnB, because lynchers are usually to town, not scum.

[Venmar]

1) i said what i said and i stand by it, now go away

2) i can ignore anything i want, just for the record. though lynchers can have anyone as their target, be it town as scum? leaving to generic chance that this outcome might be town in this case is stupid, since you seem to be beginning to revolve your reads around this stupid expectation, and if lynchers were almost always on town, which is the tone you gave off, lyncher would likely be a pro-town role at that. bnb is scum for his horrendous play during the last shift i had with him, and for his reaction to serenes lyncher claim, which is really the only thing related to serene in terms of my reasons in scumreading bnb. but if you are expecting me to build you a case, then you're out of luck, i don't do shit.

what exactly were you hoping to accomplish by talking to me, lol?

[Venmar]

also the fact you used a doge reference is infuriating, don't do it

[BROseidon]

what exactly were you hoping to accomplish by talking to me, lol?

Doing something called make the game move, which apparently nobody this shift wants to do.

[BROseidon]

2) i can ignore anything i want, just for the record. though lynchers can have anyone as their target, be it town as scum? leaving to generic chance that this outcome might be town in this case is stupid, since you seem to be beginning to revolve your reads around this stupid expectation, and if lynchers were almost always on town, which is the tone you gave off, lyncher would likely be a pro-town role at that. bnb is scum for his horrendous play during the last shift i had with him, and for his reaction to serenes lyncher claim, which is really the only thing related to serene in terms of my reasons in scumreading bnb. but if you are expecting me to build you a case, then you're out of luck, i don't do shit.

Also, here're the problems with this paragraph:

1) While lynchers can in theory go to town or scum, they typically go to town more often than scum (i.e., more than the ~75-80% rate at which town exist in games) for balance reasons.

2) bnb's play wasn't horrendous. AP's acting about how I'd expect him to act as town, and this is coming from the guy who's in-sync with AP enough most of the the time that people mistake his posts in-hydra for mine and vice versa. So you're not gonna get BnB lynched, because unless you make an argument, I'm going to make the argument that they're town, and the fact that I'm confirmed town AND have a solid history with AP means that I'm going to win.

3) Reaction to Serene's claim was fine. The parity-cop thing made no sense, and pushing bnb off it before Zora made no sense.

[BROseidon]

also the fact you used a doge reference is infuriating, don't do it

nope.avi

[BROseidon]

Bird and Beast (4) - Serene2, Venmar, MrZepher, hiplop
Serene2 (3) - ika, infinte jesters, xRECKONERx
Dry-fit (2) - Bird and Beast, AGar
MrZepher (1) - Svenskt Stal
AGar (1) - Dry-fit
Venmar (1) - BROseidon

This is the VC right now.

BnB wagon is shit. Get off it people.

Serene wagon is meh. Lynching a lyncher isn't unacceptable, but it's far from optimal play.

Dry-Fit wagon I'm eh on. Case sort of exists, but there are better places for wagons.

Zeph wagon is worse than Dry-Fit wagon.

AGar wagon is solid.

Venmar wagon is best right now.

[BROseidon]

I expect all votes to be on a major wagon once this shift ends so that the next shift can get a fucking lynch.

[FourteenPointFive]

Don't scum control shift placement? So why would they need a special action to move Venmar to us?

HOLY SCUM POSTING BATMAN!

Reck moves up to scum in our list. I knew someone was going to go "why did scum only move on player?" to draw attention to a extraneous detail, and I had the feeling that player would be scum. I mean, and with especially the other shift, the way the shifts are right now, we're pretty unproductive, I had a feeling that our shifts would not change much, if at all. Cheery and I had been waiting on that. We're of the opinion that shift distributions and and changes are of little consequence, and are just a detail to muck things up some more. This also makes me wary of the Venmar vote a little bit. Reck's sheeping play of BRO is uninspiring, because Reckscum would know if BRO was right or not. And if BRO is wrong, all Reck gets to do is throw up his hands and say "I was following the confirmed town" and wash his hands of his play. I don't like it at all.

BnB is still playing like shit and is probably scum. The scumread has weakened a bit only because nothing about their play has changed, and others have actively been scum. I want to vote BnB here, we got a day though.

We think that if the lovers are a scum-town pairs, Jesters are the scum, by way of Sven being so fucking town.

Finally, Cheery disagrees with me on Peregrine, but I think he's bussing scum. When I entertained the thought that Zor's fakeclaim was true, he was very vehement in shutting down any and all discussion. It wasn't that he was telling me he didn't believe Zor, he was telling me it wasn't worth discussion because the outcome was already assured. This reads to me like he is a scumbuddy who already knew the outcome and wanted some towncred by defending the lynch. It looked like 100% bussing.

[FourteenPointFive]

I'm currently getting nowhere, but we should probably continue to lynch within the night original night shift.
What would be best is if we can have 4 practically global town reads from this shift and work the rest via PoE

Or we can try the same thing with Day shift with getting 6 town reads.
This gives 5 potential scum, and if we manage to go through episodes before scum can kill, we'll easily have enough mislynches to risk it.
In short I think this game can be broken.

At the moment if Reck would like to confirm his "confirmable town role", it'll be much easier
If that does in fact happen, the remaining possible scum from the first shift can be narrowed down to
PeregrineV
Aronis
hiplop
iamausername

On the assumption I think Goat didn't allow Zor to selfhammer deliberately and makes him town and that Dry-fit is being picked on as an easy mislynch by the scum in the first shift.

It will depend on what happens when iamausername gets replaced and what a replacement will do whether he stays in that group or not.

[Serene2]

Go home you're off the clock

[FourteenPointFive]

You're pretty obviously not a part of this shift Serene.

[Dry-fit]

So it seems like scum is trying to take advantage of the the inactivity of this shift. I already thought iamausername was town but this makes me think it moreso.

I don't know what to make of Venmar.

[Venmar]

you obviously need to make me town

any other answer is futile

[Venmar]

and

the fact that I'm confirmed town

AND have a solid history with AP means that I'm going to win.

thanks! this is exactly the exact fucking reason i never have ANY motivation to interact with an IC. you just proved why me talking to you was going to be a waste, like it has?

now imma go and drink a pint while this all blows over

[Aronis]

VOTE: Venmar

Sheeping the Innocent Child for now. I'll try to do something substantial later.

[BROseidon]

thanks! this is exactly the exact fucking reason i never have ANY motivation to interact with an IC. you just proved why me talking to you was going to be a waste, like it has?

now imma go and drink a pint while this all blows over

1) This isn't going to blow over, because we're lynching during the next shift.

2) So you're implying that you ascribe 0 value to other people's opinions by implying that you interact with someone only to discern their alignment, yet you expect other people to sheep what you say without backing?

Yeah no.

[Venmar]

bro

im town

now go away

[PeregrineV]

bro

im town

now go away

Why do you think you were moved to day shift? And only you. And not between episodes but in the middle, so to speak?

[PeregrineV]

So it seems like scum is trying to take advantage of the the inactivity of this shift. I already thought iamausername was town but this makes me think it moreso.

I don't know what to make of Venmar.

What do you make of the 58 pages pre-Venmar?

[PeregrineV]

what exactly were you hoping to accomplish by talking to me, lol?

Doing something called make the game move, which apparently nobody this shift wants to do.

You got me for like 6 hours, so post'em if you got'em.

[xRECKONERx]

Don't scum control shift placement? So why would they need a special action to move Venmar to us?

HOLY SCUM POSTING BATMAN!

Reck moves up to scum in our list. I knew someone was going to go "why did scum only move on player?" to draw attention to a extraneous detail, and I had the feeling that player would be scum. I mean, and with especially the other shift, the way the shifts are right now, we're pretty unproductive, I had a feeling that our shifts would not change much, if at all. Cheery and I had been waiting on that. We're of the opinion that shift distributions and and changes are of little consequence, and are just a detail to muck things up some more. This also makes me wary of the Venmar vote a little bit. Reck's sheeping play of BRO is uninspiring, because Reckscum would know if BRO was right or not. And if BRO is wrong, all Reck gets to do is throw up his hands and say "I was following the confirmed town" and wash his hands of his play. I don't like it at all.

[PeregrineV]

Don't scum control shift placement? So why would they need a special action to move Venmar to us?

HOLY SCUM POSTING BATMAN!

Reck moves up to scum in our list. I knew someone was going to go "why did scum only move on player?" to draw attention to a extraneous detail, and I had the feeling that player would be scum.

When did you know "someone was going to go '

why did scum only move one player?

"
Considering mafia is the only ones who can switch shifts, why is Venmar's movement an "extraneous detail"?
You are basically calling the guy commenting about the elephant in the room scum for commenting on the elephant in the room.
Explain the above, and your rationale about how/why scum-Reck would need to point out the elephant his team just shoved into the room.

I mean, and with especially the other shift, the way the shifts are right now, we're pretty unproductive, I had a feeling that our shifts would not change much, if at all.

So was the 60 pages in one day unproductive, or the scumlynch on Zoaraster unproductive?
I had a feeling our shifts wouldn't change much, but that's because it aids in the process of elimination (as in Mafia in La-La-Land.

Cheery and I had been waiting on that. We're of the opinion that shift distributions and and changes are of little consequence, and are just a detail to muck things up some more. This also makes me wary of the Venmar vote a little bit. Reck's sheeping play of BRO is uninspiring, because Reckscum would know if BRO was right or not. And if BRO is wrong, all Reck gets to do is throw up his hands and say "I was following the confirmed town" and wash his hands of his play. I don't like it at all.

Think your confusing hiplop and Reck here. Which, given you already are claiming Reck is scummy, seems confusing how you can confuse them.

BnB is still playing like shit and is probably scum. The scumread has weakened a bit only because nothing about their play has changed, and others have actively been scum. I want to vote BnB here, we got a day though.

You've felt that way since 404.

We think that if the lovers are a scum-town pairs, Jesters are the scum, by way of Sven being so fucking town.

This has to be like the 100th post that I have the exact opposite opinion on. Why is Sven "so fucking town"?

Finally, Cheery disagrees with me on Peregrine, but I think he's bussing scum. When I entertained the thought that Zor's fakeclaim was true, he was very vehement in shutting down any and all discussion.

Discussion with the accused, because Zoraster was in our shift, and you didn't talk to him at all. Either head.
You managed somehow to believe and hope Zoraster was town, push a Logical lynch first, and not talk to him during that whole time.
Perhaps a detailed breakdown of your Zoraster townread would help us ignore any and all of your reads since he's already flipped scum.

It wasn't that he was telling me he didn't believe Zor,(866, 869) he was telling me it wasn't worth discussion because the outcome was already assured.(899) This reads to me like he is a scumbuddy who already knew the outcome and wanted some towncred by defending the lynch. It looked like 100% bussing.

Amazingly, I gave my opinion on why I disbelieved Zoraster(866, 869).
You should show my why you had developed the opposite opinion, since you were attacking the lynch.

[PeregrineV]

On the assumption

I think Goat didn't allow Zor to selfhammer deliberately

and makes him town and that [bold]Dry-fit is being picked on as an easy mislynch[/bold] by the scum in the first shift.

Why you think this?

[PeregrineV]

and

the fact that I'm confirmed town

AND have a solid history with AP means that I'm going to win.

thanks! this is exactly the exact fucking reason i never have ANY motivation to interact with an IC. you just proved why me talking to you was going to be a waste, like it has?

now imma go and drink a pint while this all blows over

Actually, even if he is wrong and you are mislynched, you would think that you would at least get all your ideas out there and bounce them off of the confirmed town, since you know he's town and not bullshitting you.