Mini 1563 - Vampire: The Masquerade Mafia (Fourth Evening)

[d3x]

Oh yeah! I remember saying this...

If MD flips Town, Von's p370 is super scummy. Hell, even if MD is Scum, it's still a bit scummy.

Vote:vonflare

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I did receive Diablerie. I'm good on Vitae for a while. I'm ok with giving it to d3x. I only got 2 Vitae from the lynch yesterday.

V/LA for a bit.

[SpyreX]

d3x for sure today.

I'm going to assume that we're not dealing with the stupidest gambit ever and tomorrow has a chance to implode with 4 dead before the next cycle (two of Kat, d3x, AA + lynch + NK). This means that we pretty much need to lynch right today and forever.

The problem I have is this doesn't make a lot of sense in the overall setup. Either we're looking at a weak as balls scumteam (in which case killing a miller claim makes 0 sense) or something is missing. I can't tell if it was illiterate scum or fear of the play which is at least legit.

I'll be V/LA tomorrow but I think the nojuice claims actually may help quite a bit.

[Katsuki]

SPYSPY WE NEED YOUR SANITY

[vonflare]

I'm back! Sorry for the unexpected Monday V/LA. Will post soon!

[vonflare]

whats with all the no vitae claims?

soooooo, I think d3x should get the diab.

You are out of vitae, and can't use your dayvig today?

I guess wel have to lynch aronis instead of dayvigging him.

although, arcangel may have a point. I'll do a VCA ASAP.

VOTE: aronis

[ArcAngel9]

are you guys insane. My current vitae is 0. As per mod, I ll die if i dont get any vitae before entering into evening.

I once played in a game with her where she wanted to Lynch a Cop to test the Investigation result. I'm not ruling out that this is the worst Gambit ever. Besides, if people read her more Town than me {or others}, she'll get the diablerie and 'not die'.

I will however give you that we don't neeed to worry about her Today. If she's telling the truth, she'll die by Tomorrow and I only have to ignore her for one 'Day' phase. If she's still alive without receiving any influx of Vitae, we Lynch her Tomorrow.

UnVote

you dont know a thing about me... Go back and read my other games.. the game we have played was long time ago. OPEN your eyes!!

I did receive Diablerie. I'm good on Vitae for a while. I'm ok with giving it to d3x. I only got 2 Vitae from the lynch yesterday.

V/LA for a bit.

This is scum. And Lynch this today.!!

[Aronis]

Mod, Can I vote to give myself the diablerie?

Maybe we can just wait and see, then whoever doesn't run out of vitae is scum. The only problem is nobody will be around to lynch them.

[GreyICE]

Mod, Can I vote to give myself the diablerie?

You may nominate any player, including yourself.

[Kagami]

AA9, why is LLD scum? I had thought so myself for the first half of day 1, but since then, I've only seen evidence that she's town. The only way I could possibly see her as scum is with spyrex, since otherwise the nightkill choice strikes me as incredibly non-LLD.

I think it's pretty clear that, unless AA9 or katsuki has some really awesome claim, we're giving diab to d3x. That being the case, it's probably a good idea for our walking corpses to claim if they did anything that we should know about, unless it's better to hold out for now. Remember that the flips don't give role information, so for the love of god, don't let the day end without telling us what you are.

Spyrex, I don't suppose you're thinking what I'm thinking about the setup? To my mind, there's a very straightforward way to ensure the balance of this vitae mechanic, and I think GI might have done it given all the 0 vitae claims.

VOTE: vonflare

[Aronis]

So what is this formula for ensured balance?

[Kagami]

How would you balance a game in which half the town might suicide on day 2?

[vonflare]

make the scum suicide too?

[Kagami]

No, that would be stupid. Kill flavor strongly implies that I was right about the scum kill anyway.

[Aronis]

How would you balance a game in which half the town might suicide on day 2?

Start talking. before I decide the only way you know this stuff is because you are scum.

[Kagami]

I don't know anything other than that which is evident to reason.

Unfortunately, I'm somewhat crippled in that respect, since there are two important pieces of information that are not yet publicly available.

[Kagami]

Actually, just for fun aronis, let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine we lynch aronis today, and imagine he flips town.
We give diab to d3x.
AA9 and katsuki die from having no vitae.
Scum kills d3x.

day 3 begins with Me, LLD, Vonflare, Spyrex, Kthx, Displaced alive.

What do you think hypothetical town should do on day 3?

[d3x]

My current vitae is 0. As per mod, I ll die if i dont get any vitae before entering into evening.

Make peace with your God.

you dont know a thing about me... Go back and read my other games.. the game we have played was long time ago. OPEN your eyes!!

I know what I need to know about you.

This is scum. And Lynch this today.!!

Build a case. If you die and flip Town, I may read it Tomorrow.

[ArcAngel9]

fuck off D3X. You're a noob.
Kagami, are you seriously asking why LLD scum? Please read my posts again and tell me you dont find reasons in it. then we will discuss.

d3x, do us a favor. Shoot yourself if you're really the VIG

[Kthxbye]

Mnemonic Device

- LLD, Aronis,

kthx

, SpyreX, vonflare, Katsuki, kagami
LLD - AA9
Vonflare -

Mnemonic Device

AA9 - D3X

Not voting:

SG

, displaced

Ok, so I don't have a ton of time right now before work but....

SG wasn't voting at the end of yesterday so her flip doesn't help us. Take out those who claim they will die without vitae vote (because it's pointless to lynch them as we'll find out if either is a gambitting soon enough) and we end up with:

Mnemonic Device

- LLD, Aronis,

kthx

, SpyreX, vonflare, kagami
Vonflare -

Mnemonic Device

displaced, D3X

Out of those left, I have d3x as hard town and kag, Spy and LLD as slight town reads or null. Spy flying under the radar worries me a bit, but can be dealt with later.

That leaves a pool of:
Aronis, vonflare and displaced

out of those two, von has a wagon and some solid posts that point to him being scum.

VOTE: vonflare

Of the 3 claiming they will die tomorrow without vitae, I have a strong suspicion that one of kat or AA (as d3x should get all votes for dia) will come back with some magical way they got Vitae.

fuck off D3X. You're a noob.
Kagami, are you seriously asking why LLD scum? Please read my posts again and tell me you dont find reasons in it. then we will discuss.

d3x, do us a favor. Shoot yourself if you're really the VIG

I laughed so hard. AA, you're bad and you should feel bad. I'm honestly expecting you to be trying some scum gambit with Vitae. I hope this is the case so we can wagon you hard and fast.

More when I have more time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kagami, I'm still totally down for the Vonflare lynch. I still think Aronis is a bad bad call.

The plan should be this today: Lynch Vonflare, give Diablerie to d3x. AA9 will die if she's town, otherwise confirmed scum, and scum will be put to a choice about their kill.

Honestly, I can maybe be tempted on lynching Katsuki today too, but the diablerie and everything else is set in stone in my mind.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait Katsuki claimed they would die without Vitae today?

[Kthxbye]

Hmmm, he didnt actually say that he was out too. I may have to change some things in last post around.

Kat: what shenanigans are you claiming?

[ArcAngel9]

Fuck IT!!!!! You know what you guys are all idiots. We are loosing this game and you're responsible for it.
KTHX - I am dont care what you think. So go and rub your nonsense else where...

I am Claiming
I have an ability learn someone's aura. If they are vampire or not but the ability consumes an additional vitae from me. So I spent 2 vitae to learn LLD Aura and i got no result on her. This either proves me that she is scum or someone blocked me. I dont see any reason that anyone would block me. And i am having very strong scum read on LLD since yesterday phase. so I am going with my actions and guts.

Now its your all choice what to do with this. I dont care anylonger. What mod told me is that i will die by evening if i dont receive any viate as my vitae count is zero at this moment.

Now deal with it!!!!!!!!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not going to bother to claim unless people really want me to.