I admit that 14.5 looks worse than I originally thought. His smaller posts that I viewed in a good way doesnt look so good anymore. However.
In post 878, FourteenPointFive wrote:So, let me preface things a bit. After LD did their thing, I honestly wanted to say we go lynch them if it had to be between them and Zor. The way LD played it, the first thing that came to my mind was that it was a lyncher play. We were going to vote them last shift, but decided instead to keep our vote on BnB and see where that developed in the day shift.
So LD flips 1-shot cop, Zor is quick to claim neighbors with him. This is interesting, because with LD gone, we have no way of knowing if this is true or not. I forsee three scenarios. A) LD caught Zorscum, and this is his fakeclaim to try and save himself. The beauty about it is of course that Zor has no way to prove it. LD hadn't claimed he had only one-shot, so he had to be a prime target. B) Everything Zor said is true about being town neighbors and gambiting. C) This last one seems highly unlikely to me, but Zor is a neighborizer, except he's scum. Let's just throw that one away.
For me, I want to believe Zor is town and this is a gambit. I just find it highly unlikely that out of 21 players, LD picks right based on Zor's single post to use his one-shot cop on. Like, the gambit Zor described seems kinda more likely to me than LD guessing right.
One thing we (Cheery and I) agreed on is regardless, we can't have this hanging over our heads. We think we have to lynch Zor regardless. BUT....we should drag this day out and BRO gets to hammer.
This post I really really like. If someone disagrees please discuss it with me. The thought process of seeing different possible scenarios is something I find towny. Its hard to think in this way as scum because you already know the answer. I think that the entire thing is abit short but on the other hand he reasons critically, hausing the opposite of the idea he belives is correct.
Also, if your reasoning for finding 14.5 scummy is partly because he defended zoraster then I am equally scummy (I unvoted zoraster and voted BnB after serenes claim). The difference is that I saw Serenes claim as a possibility, 14.5 could have seen zorasters claim as a possibility. I actually think that a more normal scum partner response would be to hard charge zoraster and bus him.
In post 1508, FourteenPointFive wrote: In post 1486, xRECKONERx wrote:Don't scum control shift placement? So why would they need a special action to move Venmar to us?
HOLY SCUM POSTING BATMAN!
Reck moves up to scum in our list. I knew someone was going to go "why did scum only move on player?" to draw attention to a extraneous detail, and I had the feeling that player would be scum. I mean, and with especially the other shift, the way the shifts are right now, we're pretty unproductive, I had a feeling that our shifts would not change much, if at all. Cheery and I had been waiting on that. We're of the opinion that shift distributions and and changes are of little consequence, and are just a detail to muck things up some more. This also makes me wary of the Venmar vote a little bit. Reck's sheeping play of BRO is uninspiring, because Reckscum would know if BRO was right or not. And if BRO is wrong, all Reck gets to do is throw up his hands and say "I was following the confirmed town" and wash his hands of his play. I don't like it at all.
BnB is still playing like shit and is probably scum. The scumread has weakened a bit only because nothing about their play has changed, and others have actively been scum. I want to vote BnB here, we got a day though.
We think that if the lovers are a scum-town pairs, Jesters are the scum, by way of Sven being so fucking town.
Finally, Cheery disagrees with me on Peregrine, but I think he's bussing scum. When I entertained the thought that Zor's fakeclaim was true, he was very vehement in shutting down any and all discussion. It wasn't that he was telling me he didn't believe Zor, he was telling me it wasn't worth discussion because the outcome was already assured. This reads to me like he is a scumbuddy who already knew the outcome and wanted some towncred by defending the lynch. It looked like 100% bussing.
I am ashamed to say it but maybee I was flattered by his read on me. That together with a mutual scum read on Reck could have made me see him in a better light than I should. This is one of my flaws, I seem to town read people that town read me and show a willinness to cooperate.
All in all, dropping my stron townread on 14.5, wagon is not uber terrible.
