Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

[notscience]

VOTE: Kagami

pedit-

Wait what

Hold the phone

Feirei and Varsoon are claiming like the same ability and noone's questiioning them?

[notscience]

Also, miller claim bugs me because I don't remember a cop in the last one.

[notscience]

Tallying claims/whatnot-

Feirei- Locks a vote on him

Varsoon- Locks a vote on him

Kagami- Miller

Muffin- Bad shit happens if targetted at night

GIF- knows everyones flavor

[notscience]

Why is noone questioning feirei and varsoons similar claims

[notscience]

Tallying claims/whatnot-

Feirei- Locks a vote on him

Varsoon- Locks a vote on him

Kagami- Miller

Muffin- Bad shit happens if targetted at night

GIF- knows everyones flavor/vote multiple people

vezok- IC

[notscience]

My issue is we're pseudo-MCing on page 2

And yet noone seems to be questioning why

[notscience]

idc

Vote me if you think I'm scum

And @Muffin, yeah there are a lot of duplicates

Me and bro had the same role in frozen

[notscience]

this just in

Sakura confirmed ffery alt

[notscience]

GIF I actually picked chen

nt tho

[notscience]

It bugs me because in the first touhou we had a t/s duplicate pair (duo-hated)

[notscience]

Except you don't know mine

[notscience]

i also think gaiden is scum

VOTE: Gaiden

[notscience]

GIF is Gaiden lying

[notscience]

consider this post an OMGUS of you not liking anything I've posted

[notscience]

I also don't buy into the varsoon-town yet

[notscience]

It's kinda sad I don't have any really great townreads atm

Work harder

[notscience]

Idk ask GIf/Pie

[notscience]

I don't buy into you-town because I'm not going to let 295 happen again

I don't buy into GIF town because Aronis could vote multiple people in frozen (as scum)

I don't buy into muffin town becausae I have no scum baseline to compare him to

I don't buy into Kagami town because I don't like the miller claim

I don't buy into bork town for the same reason I don't buy into muffin town

I don't buy into feirei town because he hasn't really done much other than lock down a vote

pedit- I miiiiiiiiiiiight be able to buy into pie-town

[notscience]

I also think someone with funky votes is scum.

[notscience]

Did anyone else notice how Raging Bull came in here like "yo I got 2 votes waddup" and left without proving that they have two votes

No RVS

No commenting on anyone

it was just like

yo sup

bai

[notscience]

Kagami why aren't you voting anyone

[notscience]

Nope

[notscience]

I pretty much came in

Got told to shut up

Shut up

died the next night

[notscience]

Um

Feirei voted him

And it didn't get stuck

[notscience]

VOTE: GIF

ALL ABOARD

[notscience]

Feirei picked Cirno?

Y/Y

[notscience]

ns is obvtown,

But that's not alignment indicative

I don't really know what to think of Kagami atm. I can't really see a reason to move him to townreads thus far.

[notscience]

One of the scum was voteless last game unless they used a card

[notscience]

I'm pretty sure most of the things in this game are here just to fuck with us

[notscience]

I'm having trust issues this game.

This is no bueno.

[notscience]

What's everyones thoughts on a mass character claim

[notscience]

/tinfoil theory

GIF's card negates the use of a day spell card

[notscience]

Ugh

ffs I'm going to keep confusing this

[notscience]

Why do these upicks always make me uberparanoid

like what the fuck

[notscience]

I dont even know

I'm freaking out because noone's lookinig really town to me yet

[notscience]

VOTE: Raging

Start a wagon with me Feirei

[notscience]

like blatant buddying and reaching out to particular players in an effort to get them to town read him

I do this as town too

[notscience]

Because Nacho and mollie and majiffy aren't in this game

[notscience]

And bert

[notscience]

I generally do it when it's someone I intend to sheep the living fuck out of

[notscience]

oh and btw notscience is scum
vote noscience

Wrong

nt tho

[notscience]

How to read NS for dummies

Is he actively posting in the thread:

Yes- Town

No- Scum

[notscience]

Ask GIF

Ask Sakura

Ask seriously anyone who has seen me as town and scum

[notscience]

Also glad to see you can't read the thread I've already said that Feirei likely has Cirno

pedit

^ trufax

[notscience]

You could just go read the last game

Because I can almost guarantee most of the people kept their same picks

You can also see why your vote/read on me is total shit

[notscience]

I'm going to stop because I'm getting pot-shotty

[notscience]

I don't get where GIF is getting his bork-obvtown read, I don't see anything really great coming from bork yet

[notscience]

Feirei feels different tis game compared to last game. I have to determine if his presence here compared to last game is because he's town and isn;t distracted by RL or because he wants to actually assume the ruse of pro-townity as scum this game.

Gaiden came out with his character in his first post of the last game and didn't this time but I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative. I don't like his claim this game though- he claimed 1shot rolecop even with Sakura's cop claim. At the same time, I liked his latest post, but it's kinda meh regardless.

Varsoon in 295 made a big deal about how not RVSing made him town, but he didn't here. I need more games to look through, to see if holding his vote is alignment indicative. He also (successfully) manipulated people (me) into not using their hide. I don't know, I don't particularly like his reaction to Sakura's "cop" on him either. I don't understand his questioning vezok's thought process either.

I don't really know what to do regarding muffin, i'll come back to him later

I don't feel the same GIF here as I did in 295, I got the sense he was actually trying to solve things and discpute them there whereas here it's just kinda going through the motions. Like when I posted a shitposty RVS bullshit on page like 4 he yelled at me for it but most of my ISO here has kinda been meh and he hasn't really yelled at me until I said I didn't have a strong townread yet.

I was reading through borks posting, and I don't get where GIF got his "obvtown" read on bork from (granted, if GIF is scum that might explain it). I liked his stances re:me but even then part of me wonders if the scum-tactic coming into this game is to try and get an early wagon off on me before I get non-lynchable but that's my tinfoil theory so I'm not putting much stake in it (plus scumhunting is bad)

Kagami's a wading pool of null too.

[notscience]

I still think notscience is scum and I want him to post more.

Bull's reaction to mine is bullshit

One of the weird voting styles is scum though.

I think any vig should kill vezok

Who agrees

I'm about 20% cooler anyways

It's also boring and hysterical how the two wagoning me are- well, what do you know? Two people who have no completed games with me! This is a blatant discredit and the scum motivation of this post is to steer the wagon off of me (see, I'm doing your job for you this should be e z to wagon me)

@Muffin that's p much what I intend to do thanks for suggesting it. It was whatever post he refered to lynching me if I scumhunt, reminds me of him in the day before lylo of frozen

[notscience]

actually wait a minute

I think RB's role is scum.

GIF, say scum manage to ML town until lylo/mylo

then bull's just like KINGMAKER

[notscience]

THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE BODIES

[notscience]

And I'm not scum, which is why you have a wagon of exactly 2 people in a game consisting of only 2 people I don't have completed games with

If I were a vig I'd shoot you because OMGUS and it'd be worth getting lynched the next day

[notscience]

Gaiden I don't believe your race claim

[notscience]

Yes, obviously

I also feel like we had this discussion last game regarding what Youkai is

[notscience]

Katarina still had a scum role pm

[notscience]

Oh, Varsoon/Feirei neighborhood.

That makes things e z.

I also think GIF is scum now, and am interested in wagoning him for the LOW LOW LOW cost of $9.95

@Vezok-

You have an IC role pm, and you STILL are vig bait. You're just sitting here saying "oh if I see anything to comment on I will" and then just spewing "oh wagon ns" bullshit every time you post. Either don't post, or post something that actually

helps

town.

[notscience]

And by extension, I disagree with lynching (Hana, Bitmap) today.

I also have a theory that Sakura's role works like an inverse of Dake's role from last game- She uses an abiity then loses a vote for a day

[notscience]

One of {Feirei/Varsoon}

Seems pretty convenient that of the whole playerlist, the two he says scum is BETWEEN just so happens to also be a neighborhood. Almost as if he found out beforehand that was a neighborhood.

Pedit-
@Sakura do so please

pedit-

THat reminds me claiming self-protective was bullshit

For one if it's anything it's a self-BP because that's just what fakegod does

[notscience]

Hey Sakura

I'm probably about to take this train off the rails

[notscience]

I'm just sitting here

Not believing you

[notscience]

I'm also curious why Feirei and Varsoon aren't after each others throats

[notscience]

lol.

[notscience]

@ns: you are just unhappy cause I caught you so early. The day is dragging and nothing is happening.

Everyone top three scum reads:go.

Notscience
Pieguy
Raging bull

This is utterly hysterical

I'm dying over here, and I guarantee you that the people in the spectator QT are having a goodchuckle over this

Pie, what do you think?

Also, because I'm

scum

being deliberately antitown

scumreading everyone you don't get an answer

[notscience]

All my town reads are on the RB wagon
But I don't know why RB is at L-2.
D:

Yes, but I, your scumread, am on said wagon too

Tsk tsk

And so early as well, because I, as scum, bus my partner who can basically monopolize the votes

Seems legit

[notscience]

IN THE SPIRIT OF FAKEGOD

◕ ‿‿ ◕

[notscience]

This don't look like townhunting to me ns.
are you scum?

Nope

Maybe you should all try looking more town

[notscience]

lol'd

I'm still waiting for people to look town

[notscience]

GIF knows I actually picked Chen

Also GIF

Is Gaiden's character a youkai

[notscience]

GIF answer my question or I go Kuribo up in this biznitch

[notscience]

I'm still loling at vezok's scumpool

[notscience]

And Varsoon we all know that Muffin picked tewi

[notscience]

lol

Vote me then

I really don't give two fucks

[notscience]

In case you forgot I just royally fucked up in Dark Ages

In case you forgot I did the same thing in Touhou 1

In case you forgot if I was ACTUALLY scum I wouldn't be here

[notscience]

And I'm really getting sick of this "oh ns is scum but we aren't going to vote him" bullshit

[notscience]

I "suddenly jump ike that' because it's pissing me off that you can have the audacity to think this is my scumgame

You've played with me enough to know the difference between town and scum NS better than most and still you're trying to call me scum

And look at last game and frozen, I like to setup spec in these games

so sue me

pedit

Feirei have you read many of my other game


pedit-

Now we can setup spec because WOOO SETUP SPEC

[notscience]

I've already said scum in voting fuckery

And if you're asking for full setup spec without all the roles lol. This is solely on what is known

[notscience]

No sleep til brooklyn

[notscience]

3 and 1 exclusively

[notscience]

Not trusting people sucks

[notscience]

Btw

Bork

when is lylo with his power

[notscience]

Fucking chen

[notscience]

Fucking chen

[notscience]

Version are you letty

[notscience]

Because I'm bipolar

And I expected to have townreads at this point in time and I don't so I'm pursuing another line of inquiry so sue me

And I don't really give a shit what you see

I'll proxy my vote to you so you can vote me if you want, but I'm not scum so have fun with that

[notscience]

And also I feel like we've been over how bad at scum I am

But let's chat about how bad at scum I am shall we

Newbie 1480
^First IC game, drew scum, ended up lurkaderping the game away because my role made me that apathetic

Micro 289
^Drew scum vs MaraBert and GM, decent-ish start where I bussed my buddy but then fizzled because I got bored and fuck being scum

Why am I having trouble thinking of games I know I've had more

ummmmmmmm

pedit-

I don't care I need you to vote me if you think I'm scum because it gets me off

[notscience]

I know I've had more recent scumgames

[notscience]

How far back would you like examples from until you give it up

[notscience]

It would only come from town me

scum me would be too worried about looking like town me/wanting to die because fuck beingscum

[notscience]

I may or may not have been lying about Chen

fuck chen

[notscience]

Except im surprised that you're being paranoid about me

Because I had you as scum last game and my reads were all wonky so I'm paranoid about p much everyone <.>

and being unable to read me and you demand that i must be able to read you fine

Because even when I have no confidence and am paranoid as fuck I'm able to still be the most blatantly town person in a game and you saying I might be scum bugs me because lets face it- I'm relaly fucking town when I'm town

when you're being uncooperative

Kinda due to lack of trust atm

and asking such awkward questions

Which questions are awkward

and throwing theory that seems like you want to flip everyone's role cards on the table D1.

I actually can't deny the last part

I love fakegod setups

pedit

I was serious but I really wouldn't trust anything I'm spewing atm because everyone is a giant swathing pool of paranoia

pedit-

I'm town.

So that means you-scum can't use "THIS ISNT TOWN NS" as a reason to try and lynch me

[notscience]

Must not turn into ns, must not turn into ns...

+1

[notscience]

Yeah I was like

are you fucking kidding me

That made me OMGUS you

It was great

[notscience]

Yeah I was less paranoid and then got snowed like fuck in dark

[notscience]

And I've been better about it but the main thing I fucked up in dark ages was letting my friends into my townreads and I'm trying hard not to give free passes

[notscience]

If it's any consolation your recent posts make me think you're town

[notscience]

ITT Gaiden admits to being buddy of RB

[notscience]

I'm here.

First things first, I'm upset about letting scum into my townbloc. If I read town as scum its whatever, but clearing someone of suspicion is what my town love do. If I let not one, but two scum in? No bueno.

Second, I feel like I've been a total prick to you this game, so sorry. I'm kinda getting a town Sakura vibe on the Reach out (and if you're scum I'm going to cry). I'll try to be a bit more open

Third, Im townreading hana for similar reasons.

I think pies posts look townie (part of me thinks I just picked someone and prayed to god for them to be town)

[notscience]

I kinda like how muffin was like "just don't read me like everyone else"

[notscience]

Sakura who else is obvious town to you

[notscience]

Btw ignore my scumreads

[notscience]

Btw ignore my scumreads

[notscience]

Fucking nacho

[notscience]

I think pie is town.

I want content from bitmap

I'm not sure regarding feirei

We can wagon gif for funsies

[notscience]

What idea is this

[notscience]

Stopguys

If he wants to have bad reads let him

Tne work on looking town pls

[notscience]

((((Sakura))))

Fucking nacho

D1 utility lynch forever

Feirei I'd wager more neighborhoods given last game. Fakegod flatout said the 2 man neighborhood should have had a scum

[notscience]

I think varsoon is manipulating feirei tbh

Sakura lof, one of them is scum. No way town has a duplicate role

[notscience]

I know I probs have no right to ask you to trust me

But I really feel like one of them is scum. I don't buy the buddy buddy.

Pedit they're intertwined

[notscience]

Fair enough

Thoughts on rb

thoughts on

VOTE: gif

[notscience]

lets wagon gif

I don't trust him

[notscience]

Hey Sakura can I be IC for 24 hours

You get it next

[notscience]

@Pie

I have you, Sakura, Hanasawa so far.

Bork, TNE and Muffin are both borderline entrants.

I don't like the speed of the Bitmap wagon though.

I'm not letting Vezok in

pedit

Bork I'm pretty sure 90% of my posts this game are "I don't trust myself to read people"

[notscience]

I'm townreading muffin because of the spite I felt when he told me how to read him. That, and his AtE regarding 1543 (BTW IF YOU WANT A DECENT NS SCUMGAME LOOK THERE I WAS DECENT FOR A WHILE BUT BERT WOULDNT TOWNREAD ME :<). I'm not reading the interaction as a TvT, more as "I have a townread on you and a townread on him so it must be TvT"

I also feel like you have no reason to chase after muffin as scum because Muffin's really hard to ML, way easier to just kill N1 if you were scum. I also feel like you backing off, namely 1015 is a town-motivated thing to do. You could have inflicted so much apathy into this game by continuing and yet you didn't. so.

And let's be honest, everyone over-inflates what they think they have accomplished.

I got cocky because I didn't have scum in my townblocs- however I only get to lynching them after MLing a few townies to PoE it down.

I feel like the misunderstanding regarding mollie's thing kinda comes to that

[notscience]

Oh shit

I'm a terrible IC

Bork is town

Muffin is town

GIF is scum

lynch gif

[notscience]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5812631

I kinda liked TNE's response to me telling him to look more town

[notscience]

I linked it too

but thanks bork

[notscience]

CAN I JUST TAKE A MINUTE PLEASE

Go look at the lynch flavor for when I got lynched

Best picture

[notscience]

Meh, fair enough.

Why do you think I can let Kagami in?

I really am having an issue with all the Bitmap bandwagoners.

And not really for GIF. I haven't seen him scum in forever

[notscience]

How to find scum ns

do his posts sound like he hates his very being

its e z

scum ns also has disengagement issues

[notscience]

I don't see any sort of hunting coming from ns.

I don't see any hunting from you, either.

I'll trust you guys on this but ns still seems very scummy to me.

Who are you trusting and why are you trusting them?

In the mean time what do you guys think of lynching pieguy for the last few awful posts?

lol

[notscience]

This game is dependent on a catchup from Bitmap.

If I remember correctly, last game he was kinda lurkaderpy.

Feirei can I get some town/scum games from you to look at

[notscience]

muffin what do you think of Varsoon and feirei being so adamant each other are town

[notscience]

This is basically a dodge until tomorrow.

[notscience]

Let's do something.
We still have a week till deadline.

Says the person who hasn't done anything.

Oh my god Sakura

I love you so much for this post

GIF

Your summary of the past few pages is in the quote

Varsoon I'll trust you, you able to return the favor?

Also if muffin's ability does what I think it does I'll die because t hat's amazing

I also think vezok is a more likely vig shot than Muffin

I want to lynch GIF for not being town enough

I know it's terrible reasoning but #yolo

[notscience]

I have a couple thoughts I want to work over before I post them inthread. A bit too tired atm

[notscience]

Shut the bloody fuck up I haven't been on site in days

For christs sake

Anyways, would it be a correct assumption that I'll be annoyed at the rest of Victor's ISO?

[notscience]

REeading backwrads, on page 53

Want to lynch Victor, purely on OMGUS

Let me make this clear for you Victor, because you seem to have a few things mixed up.

1) when you call me scum, you damn well have a good reasoning behind it because let's face it, I eat people alive.

2) One such good reason to call me scum is based on my META. "I hate it when people say x" did I ask for your critique of how I play? No.

3) I'm playing to my

town

meta, not my scum.

4) "Oh I can't pin down a reason" and I'm oneo f the 3 people you're intent on lynching today? Nah. Don't by it.

[notscience]

Varsoon feel free to explain to your neighbor why it's a bad idea to poke the sleeping bear that is ns-town

ty

[notscience]

last post should say 52 not 53

[notscience]

I think your play has been scummy, and threats like this read scummy as hell.

Oh, poor dear. Let me get you a lolli and send you on your way then.

Why bring up meta when not once did I claim to have a Meta read on you. And you take me not liking your posting as me thinking it could be scummy FYI.

Is that not the common assumption when one says they do not like anothers posting? If I wanted prose analysis I'd go to the local college with every post and ask for it. No, you did not claim to have a meta read on me. But guess what, your read one me is for _________________

Well if you say so, I will just blindly trust you.

You could trust pretty much every other person with a brain in this game. Sakura, Muffin, GIF, pie, Hana, your predecessor, hell. They're not just townreading me because I gave them a handy, you know.

4-

notscience is giving me bad vibes but I'm not really able to pin down why.

Ball's in your court. And defensive over being town is another one of my towntells, but of course, your reasoning for me scum is sooooo much better so I must be scum!

[notscience]

Here, let's do a little experiment

5 words to describe ns as each alignment from everyone

go

[notscience]

Oh, pardon me

Everyone who isn't a chucklefuck

This should clear up that misconception in your mind of me being mislynchable

[notscience]

You forgot the word obvtown GIF

:<

[notscience]

btw chucklefuck aggression is another one of my towntells

[notscience]

GIF I have to finish catching up

But, in your professional opinion, has scum ns been able to replicate aggression of any kind since 534?

[notscience]

I think my determination died with you guys that game tbh

[notscience]

THAT WAS THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT GOD DAMNIT

[notscience]

The only scumgame I tried to be agro in

Ended up pissing off ETL and was like

yeah nope not doing this shit again

[notscience]

That's how I townread me

[notscience]

We both know why I'm not readily townreading you like usual

Of course, the above is just an excuse so

[notscience]

Because nacho keeps snowing me and manipulating me and now I don't trust anyone

it's fantasticc

[notscience]

like normally I would just pretend you're town and roll with it

but I figure that opens up way too many snowing paths

[notscience]

Nothing, really.

I mean, you could look at how I responded to Sakura's reach out earlier in the game.

Otherwise, nothing. It's pretty much me nerfing how I read all of you (you cabd ffery nacho) from my initial way of proeeding

[notscience]

I want you lynched because I consider you a liability, because I know if you're s cum and around late you're liable to try and manipulate me and I'll probbably fall for it. Seeing as I'm trying not to proceed under the assumption of you-town, and being nervous of said snowing regardless of how I proceed... yeah.

[notscience]

It feels like I want to lynch you so I don't fuck up down the road

lets go with that

[notscience]

I still hven't caught up

from what I remember it was

pie Sakura Hana (TNe maybe?) bork muffin not willing

willing to lynch everyone else

[notscience]

No, but I think I'm more liable to being manipulated by someone I play with all the time than someone I've played with a few times.

[notscience]

Sorry, only thing worth looking back on after my town flip are the full townreads

[notscience]

What happened to the RB wagon

[notscience]

Interesting fenscesit on TNE, worth looking at after a flip.

I'll let you revise your stance after your reread to be fair.

Back later

Maybe it was referencing this

that it was

[notscience]

I was talking to GIF there not to you

GIF is talking in regards to my read on him

[notscience]

Except my issue is letting my frands manipulate me

[notscience]

It's not even that

It's the fact that I let two scum into my townbloc in DA basically because they were my friends

>.>

I like Muffin but he's not someone I interact with as much as like you gif

[notscience]

VOTE: TNE

Because Sakura asked me too

I'll have concise thoughts for you all D2

pedit-

GIF claimed to know everyone's flavor but he's wrong because my flavor is chen

[notscience]

I say I RNG it

1-5

If it rolls a number under 3 we lynch vezok

Anything else we lynch vezok

[notscience]

I have shit to say today

Vig needs to claim

[notscience]

ATTENTION

Today is now a 1v1 of Me and GIF.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

GIF, tell the class w hat my flavor is, please.

I have more coming up after this, but let's hear my flavor so it all makes sense.

(I also think Varsoon is a godfather for ~reasons~)

[notscience]

Also

A vote for someone other than myself or GIF is a scumclaim.

[notscience]

ALSO

If your role in any way shape or form could cause a death (be it vig or PGO) and you wait to claim using it today/at all for a later day you will be lynched on policy.

I am about to lead this game into the fucking sunset

Because I need my retribution.

[notscience]

Not liking RB's latest posts, he's blaming Gaiden for deadline hammering which is what.... anyone would do to avoid a no lynch?
Also Varsoon is town.

You and me

Are going to chat

mmkay

[notscience]

GIF, tell the class w hat my flavor is, please.

I have more coming up after this, but let's hear my flavor so it all makes sense.

[notscience]

Hey Vezok

You know what's really funny

I'm a better IC than you are <3

[notscience]

You know what the best part of lynching GIF today is

I get to see vezok flail when I flip town tomorrow

[notscience]

Pie and I were neighbors. And, we had been strongtowning each other from N1.

I can also tell you that

I'm hated

as was pie. You want proof? Look at the first letter of Pie's first few posts, sans where he goes "oh shit I messed up"

Overall we were pretty open with each other, and N1 we actually had a scumteam limited down to like Varsoon/GIF/Gaiden. That being said, I was tasked to not let GIF get by today if pie died.

I'll be paraphrasing the case on GIF in a few, however here's some food for thought. Gaiden's quickhammer yesterday served to save GIF from pie's hardpushing.

Oh, and GIF's lying about the rolecop because I know for damn sure that is not what you'd call pie's role.

[notscience]

Why is a vote for anyone but you or GiF a scum-claim?
What ~reasons~ make you think I'm godfather?
I'm not a PGO or any reflexive/kill role.

1) Because that's the point of a 1v1

2) Because I know I'm town and pie flipped town and pie was adamant you were obvscum yesterday

[notscience]

No, it's an added effect.

He lied about the role name in and of itself.

Pie's role had two parts, one where he passively received information and one where he had to target someone for information.

don't you think pseudo-Joats should have a variety of targetted?

pedit-

No, we only had night chat, but scum had daychat last gmae so I'd bet money on that being a repeat

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Sakura he said he was townreading Bull for a similar reason as to why you were townreading him (at least he thought) something about seeing the same tell or something.

We both agreed you were town.

He thought Kagami looked like town, both on a meta and a claim standpoint.

I was feeling good about muffin/bork town for reasons I shared D1 that I'll be reviewing later today

the chucklefuck is confirmed town

pie did say that there's a possibiltiy that victor is scum but I'll go into that all later.

I thought Hana-town, pie didn't want to let him get to the highest tier for a onetime townposting then lurking

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unless pieguy made the strongest case that was ever cased, i don't really get why this would make you want to 1v1 GIF today (or make you think it's a good idea)

Oh, trust me, he made a case

He also gvae me the task to make sure GIF was run into the ground no matter what.

So.

Do you really think that town has 2 roles that can determine flavor like that? Pie's passive let him see what cards are used during a night. For someone who knows flavor, he can equate cards to characters. GIF's role tells him all the characters.

You think town has 2 roles like that?

I don't know where he got Queen of all Trades from nor do I really care

But this overlap is bullshit.

AND NOW ONTO PIES CASE

Please note this was over night and as such time and etc are from that point in time

GIF is scum for-

1) He hadn't taken a strong stance on anyone for like the last third of D1. He has expressed townreads on pretty much everyone while the last time he expressed scumreads or even a PoE list was early D1. When lynches were being organized on BM and TNE, he didn't really take firm stances. He'd comment here or there but there was never really that pursuit that should come.

a) In several posts to Pie he asks for things and then doesn't follow up on them, (ns comment- Attempting to look busy, basically. Also today- he says pie looked off yesterday. Why didn't he pursue pie yesterday?). some examples are posts 759 where he wanted a reads list and 760 along with 1025 where he asks things and doesn't follow up on them

b) His sakura gambit. At various times he potshots others for questioning it "because it's not town motivation". Yet, he never takes a stance on these people, nor does he push them at all. Instead he's like hurrdurr lets push ns and TNE

c) He

conveniently

avoided doing anything while TNE was being lynched. He wasn't pushing a lynch on someone who would be better from his PoV and just as likely lynched, like Gaiden or RB (who he was scumreading). But, he wasn't doing anything to push his scum/poe reads while we wagoned Bit and RB either.

d) he votes gaiden for having a contradictory role, but if he really believed it he'd be all over him. From his PoV gaiden should be confscum. This ties into ^ too

So, what?

He's done nothing but go with the flow of the game, try to avoid making waves to avoid being noticed and then coast off the claim at the start of the game.

2) His stance re: the TNE lynch was so scummy Pie wanted to fucking dayvig him. Pie made the assumption GIF was townreading TNE in post 832 (ns comment- blah blah scum are implicit not explicit blah), based on working with TNE regarding his read on him. But look at TNE's ISO. After that point in time, he was V/LA. Around this time is when GIF's read on him went south. With just those posts, his read on TNE went south and TNE wasn't even here. It's complete bullshit and he needs to eat a nice helping of all american flamebroiled noose for it.

3) He can't see a town role that knows all flavor, plus THIS MAKES NO SENSE WITH TNE'S ROLE IN THE GAME. THERE'D BE TWO TOWN ROLES TO FUCK UP FAKECLAIMS AND SCUM ARE UNABLE TO FAKECLAIM

4) Push on me was abyssmal. The reasons he "suspects" me are absolutely terrible.

"Who says you're being lynched?
Where's that sudden "review my reads after I flip town" coming from?
Because that usually implies that you are no longer willing to talk."

He's twisting what actually happened in the thread to fit his agenda. He treated comments that should have meant "Trust my townreads once I flip town" to mean I was shutting down altogether.

"But I'm not nacho.
That could be easily a reaching excuse to set up a sketchy paranoia.
What is there for me to believe that it's not the case?"

This is page 83, paragraph 4 of the scum handbook. Attack a mislynch and then say "Well, why shouldn't

I

be scumreading [/b]you?[/b]

The last point could also have been manipulation to try and get me off.

1) is the strongest reasoning and he says there are also meta reason's he's withheld as well but it doesn't matter because he's scum as fuck already

There's also mention of VCA.

Look back to just before the Feirei replace out, there's a wagon of 3 people on GIF (all town, btw).

Victor comes in, votes for TNE before even reading and GIF jumps on. TNE makes perfect sense as a GIF counter wagon. (pie is adamant of scum in VDA/varsoon but this comes later)

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Sakura, scum killed pie because pie was starting to catch on to GIF at the end of the day and would have pushed him insanely hard today had he still been here, plus he wasn't really viable mislynch.

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I know, pie had some thoughts on GiF at the end of D1, unfortunately you can't say that scum knew what pie was planning on doing today (unless they are spying on your neighborhood). I do agree however that if GiF's scum he'd have killed pie. Your case seems pretty good, i'm mostly trying to see what we're doing today to decide what ability i use or if i just do another day alignment scan.

Oh yeah and in case you didn't realize, my spellcard only lasted 1 day phase so im voteless again.

I actually have a tinfoil theory that they are- GIF's flavor actually fits that role according to pie.

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pie did some VCA too, he found convincing arguments for either Varsoon or VDA buddies. I really see the VDA trend better so I'll hit on it later in the day.

I am starting to doubt myself with regards to varsoon however, because I'm really starting to see a correlation in how Victor's playing that I'll hit on again. Btw, jic people are stupid- We aren ot hammering without both role and card claims anymore. Doing so is a scumclaim. Bringing someone to a quickhammer state is too.

1) Coo

1.a) It just doesn't seem like he cared about the answers or really pursued it. Even if you follow up later it's still following up, whereas there isn't a follow up here. Fair enough on 1b.

3) I defeinately think that's the way the cards work. I don't particularly agree regarding roles however. Meh, splitting hairs.

What do you think of Gaiden's claiming to have lost all his spell cards?

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Also

We had come to a general consensus (myself and pie) of a gaiden/GIF/(Ice neighbor) scumteam overnight. I had mine presented first and he said that's what he was thinking too.

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I'm thinking along the lines of the last two also.

I'm trying to figure out if it's scum or town.

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1) So being detached means you ask questions that you don't actually care to pursue?

Being detached means you have time to potshot, but not time to commit to a stance on the people you're potshotting?

C makes sense kinda.

2) What made it stale?

3) Nah, I just made it up in y head and didn't check the QT where he put his case. I also get the feeling that roles weren't distributed solely on flavor, but also bbased on who got them. Pie did know flavor, soooooo.

4) never tried to lynch me yet*

5) And you think investigating someone with a rolecop is better than an inthread read? really?

pedit-

Who needs fake flavor

The way the flavor is worded is done so it's ambiguous.

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1) Excuses
2) Excuses
3) meh
4) lol
5) Yes, because your definitive investigation of a role with no alignment included can tell you why he was acting "strange"

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Thanks, muffin. It was my card, btw. I wanted your opinion on it before I revealed that.

Also

We had come to a general consensus (myself and pie) of a gaiden/GIF/(Ice neighbor) scumteam overnight. I had mine presented first and he said that's what he was thinking too.

That my role name doesn't include "Miller" feels like a conscious setup decision to me; I think one of the rolecops has to be town.

Which, then?

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That last post gives me townfeels

<.>

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sarcasm?

No

I hadn't claimed the fact it destroyed all cards but one yet

I was going to see what he did, if he admitted he had one card left. If he kept it hidden, he was scum hiding a trump card.

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Before 1547 entered I was certain I was on a roll

So

and, excuse me varsoon? Who the fuck are you to try and tell me how to use my cards.

He was chosen because he has a scum role pm, no other reason.

Would you rather have lost yours?

Would you rather GIF have lost his?

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Here's a layout of how our reads were

NS

Strongest town
Me
Pie
You
hana

next tier
Bork
muffin

And pie's were

Strongest town
me
him
you

Next tier
RB
Kagami
muffin
bork
bitmap (rip)

I flat out told him I'm sheeping his and your read on RB. I don't buy into Kagami. He said if there was scum in his townreads it was probably muffin or bork.

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He t hought Hana looked town but didn't want to bank the game on a couple townie posts and lurkaderping

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he was adamant varsoon and GIF were scum btw.

Called varsoon obvscum several times and you saw the GIF case.

pedit

the fuck

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I am now positive GIF is scum.

I shall not be removing my vote until he swings.

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See, I had started to doubt myself until you claimed that.

Now I don't.

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protect me pls <3

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I think we might have a vig after D1.

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Because I figure you and GIF would be better at hiding a scum reaction than he was

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He gets to pick a card to save

rest get trashed

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Sakura, if you get on to tomorrow, go ahead.

If these moronsk eep trying to lynch me, scum are going to have to kill me tonight though.

@Muffin- I agree, tbh.

@Vezok- The more you post, the more you make me want to fullclaim.

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Also that case was paraphrased js

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Also @ muffin

That's a really good point there. If what he claims isn't SIGNIFICANTLY more protown he needs to be vig'd tonight.

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Ns still scum. Why would you destroy all spellcards of someone you aren't sure is scum and also claimed a rolecop?

Don't suffocate the IC with a non-answer, NS.

You enjoying the taste of IC ass, varsoon?

Was I sure he was scum? Nope. Do I think he was in the pool of 3 people most likely to be scum? Yep. Also, I did it to make him cry

Counterquestion- Why didn't he save his rolecop card?

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Confirmed town doesn't make your reads fully correct (although in my case it does because me and pie>the world)

Want to know something interesting about VDA though? Look at his entrance into the game- he votes TNE off the bat, without reading anything. There was, at that point in time, a GIF wagon. TNE served as a scum pushed counterwagon to GIF. Now, look at today. I challenge GIF to a 1v1. Which side does he take, almost impulsively?

pedit-

Muffin he gave a list of scum players D1 though

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There's also the fact that you can either believe I'm town or both of Varsoon/VDA are town

And we both know I've outshined any towniness both of them could hope to muster since early D1

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Pie would disagree with you firmly on that

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Sure.

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I'm also not actually going to be his doublevote as he is scum with or without you

But sure!

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I still want to know who killed bitmap

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Yo muffin, who is more likely scum? Varsoon or VDA (play alone).

I really don't like his buddying

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I personally think that idea is bullshit considering the only person scumreading pie yesterday was the chucklefuck we call an IC