Newbie 1488: Igloo-Town Tragedy (Game Over)

[Jake from State Farm]

The zephyr kill makes no sense, i don't really like how DDD basically said. "That kill came from an experienced player that isn't me"

he was also the only one that I can recall who said he had a town read which is odd cause if he was town reading him why was he questioning him day 2?

lastly, ddd says I am not scum hunting yet I don't really see anyone else in here scum hunting, including himself. I admit I am not scum hunting per se but I have been reading and re-reading the thread trying to figure out where random and dtd fit into the picture with PI and I got annoyed cause I could see pros and cons to both, and then just ultimately went with my gut.

[Billi bilaði]

yet you are the one refusing to discuss anything...

i'm sticking with my gut

vote: billi

how's that for discussion

You are stubborn, that's for sure.
How am I refusing to discuss things when theres nobody to discuss with?

Since you only want to play this sort of game, I'll play along (because it fits the voting and death patterns). But I sure wish I had your confidence in my vote.
VOTE: Jake from State Farm

[Jake from State Farm]

nobody to discuss with? I have been here where have you been?

You said you were waiting until proper discussions started on topics already addressed

I tried to find out what you meant, what topics

you just replied with "the topics are there"

that was me trying to have a discussion with you and you blowing me off

[Jake from State Farm]

I still have no clue what topics you wanted to discuss nor why you didn't generate the discussion yourself. I'm not surprised you voting for me cause of course you are going to vote the guy trying to lynch you but don't sit there and bitch about nobody discussing stuff when You are the one guilty of not discussing

[Billi bilaði]

Give me your thougths, Jake, on post 396, and then we can have a discussion.
Idle accusations that I don't want to have discussions, when you completely ignore my analysis of the game so far, where I even try to figure out if you are being setup as a mafia-member, don't sit well with me.
I don't like discussions where I feel I'm the only one contributing.

PS: Jake is at L-1, for the non-voters attention!!!

[Jake from State Farm]

ok so you have my unvoting private when he got to L-1 like it's some super big deal but I had just replaced in and felt the game was stalling, I voted strictly to get reactions and had no read one way or the other. Normally when I reaction vote I get some sort of reaction or person questioning why I voted or usually someone says "naked votes are scummy" (that's one of my personal favorites btw)

You don't even question my vote which is why you were originally on my radar, a townie imo would have. When I unvoted in post 150 it's pretty obvious my vote was a reaction test. had I been scum and you just put him to L-1 I would have just rolled with it for the town cred, I am all about getting town cred as scum.

Day 2 i wasn't on the private wagon cause I honestly didn't see much from him to read him 1 way or the other especially when 1 of my scum reads makes what looks like a scum slip to me and than later I find it odd that random calls me out for being opportunistic, which I wasn't yet town reading you who was opportunistic.


I also don't get how the zephyr kill sets me up? if scum wanted to set me up they would have killed you or random nit zephyr

[Jake from State Farm]

btw damn you for making me do extra work, this is the part that I vowed never to do anymore cause I would do all this shit and nobody would listen to me anyway and go with some guy who just said "gut"

So looking at the VCs in my history the most common is 1 scum on and 1 scum off. I know I have seen all town mislynches before but since private was scum that's obviously ruled out and I am sure there have been 2 scum on wagons but most common is 1 on and 1 off.

If we assume that scenario scum is dtd or jk and if we assume that 2 scum on that means our pool is either Billi, random, or DDD (ddd having the worst reason to vote on the wagon)

innocentvillager (5) - PrivateI, randomidget, Billi bilaði, Jake from State Farm, Debonair Danny DiPietro [Lynched]
Debonair Danny DiPietro (2) - dawn_to_dusk,

innocentvillager

PrivateI (1) - jklash12


Day 2 we did have 2 nice wagons form

Jake from State Farm (3) - Debonair Danny DiPietro, randomidget, Billi bilaði
Billi bilaði (3) - Jake from State Farm, jklash12, dawn_to_dusk, private

from my pov since I know i am town, that still leaves scum in the pool of 3 (DDD, random, Billi) and had billi not made the setup comment I would probably be on DDD or random (DDD for his lousy hammer and random for ignoring billi's opportunistic voting while calling me out for mine, which it wasn't.

Private voting Billi could have been a bus which if Billi slipped, gives the green light to bus your partner for town cred

so private flipping scum still reads Billi as scum

I re-read day 1 over and over and over again and still haven't seen a single town quality out of billi yet everyone town read him but me. As scum i would be fucking stupid to go after the 1 person that nobody is going to get lynched. I made that mistake in the first scum game I ever played under this Jake account and guess how that ended? badly, I lost.

So if I look bad for going after the choice that isn't the popular choice, I really don't give a crap because all signs to me point to Billi being scum and in the end i have to trust my gut and if that means i get lynched so be it.

[Jake from State Farm]

^ shit I could have made that look so much better had I been on a computer and used pretty colors and what not, but you get the point

[Randomnamechange]

Jake, I'm a bit confused as to why jklash and dtd aren't scum in your opinion.

[Jake from State Farm]

I dtd is possibly scum but I'm stubborn and I'm hanging my hat on my billi read. Jk idk just never raised any red flags to me

[jklash12]

Vote Jake

That lack of defence makes me think he is a good lynch.

What does lack of defence even supposed to mean? Are you trying to say you want to lynch him because he isn't defending himself?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote Count 3.01

• Jake from State Farm (3) -
  Debonair Danny DiPietro, randomidget, Billi bilaði
  [L-1]
  
  
• Billi bilaði (1) -
  Jake from State Farm
  
• randomidget (1) -
  jklash12
  
• Debonair Danny DiPietro (0) -
  
  
• jklash12 (0) -
  
  
• dawn_to_dusk (0) -
  
  
  
  
• Not Voting (1) – dawn_to_dusk

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is 11PM EST March 3
Countdown: (expired on 2014-05-03 23:00:00)

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[Jake from State Farm]

Where u at billi? No input on what I posted ?

[jklash12]

Jake, lets say somehow billi dies and flips town. Are you saying your next choice for scum would be dtd?

[Randomnamechange]

I mean that he cant even be bothered to defend himself. If I was town I wouldn't do that.

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean that he cant even be bothered to defend himself. If I was town I wouldn't do that.

Nobody has even provided a case to defend myself against. I defended myself against DDDs weak ass reason, you didn't really give me anything, and billi apparently wanted me and only me to respond to his earlier post since his everyone basically ignored it yet I was the only one called out for not responding to it.

[dawn_to_dusk]

I can kill jake but if he flips town, I'm a dead man next day...
What should i do :/

[Jake from State Farm]

try and find scum instead of killing a townie

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

The zephyr kill makes no sense, i don't really like how DDD basically said. "That kill came from an experienced player that isn't me"

he was also the only one that I can recall who said he had a town read which is odd cause if he was town reading him why was he questioning him day 2?

Unless you think the zephyr kill was literally based off a coin flip then there were almost certainly reasons for it and thus it's more likely an experienced player made the kill. Hell, you should be agreeing with me and trying to claim Billi's Icelandic experience qualifies him to have done this.

Just because Zephyr was a town read doesn't mean he gets a free pass, simple as that.

I can kill jake but if he flips town, I'm a dead man next day...
What should i do :/

Do you think Jake is scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would an experienced killer choose him over someone else? Enlighten me

[Randomnamechange]

UNVOTE: Jake
I don't think he is scum. I really don't know with Jake.
VOTE: dtd
The guy whose I distrust the most.

[dawn_to_dusk]

I knew this would come sooner or later...
So, what has made me in a position that you don't trust me?

[Billi bilaði]

Why would an experienced killer choose him over someone else? Enlighten me

Too let you stand out as a sore thumb from the wagon were everybody else is having a party, and he [the experienced player] could keep on hiding.

[Billi bilaði]

Why would PrivateI put me to L-1 after only 2 day of day two, when Jake and I both had wagons of 3 with 5 to lynch?
a) Jake is his partner so he goes on the other wagon.
b) Jake and I are both townies and he wants to get a hammer on the alleged mafia-slip. I.e. the more defensible L-1.

He definitely did not need to vote right away (post 241 on 08.04).
These wagons had formed in 2 days, and there were 12 days left of day 2.

The only person not voting was Zephyrus, now a confirmed townie.
So, if Jake is also a townie, did PrivateI vote with his mafia-partner, or against him?

[Billi bilaði]

Why would dawn_to_dusk be the first one to vote PrivateI on day 2 (which led to a pretty quick lynch) if he was his mafia-partner?
PrivateI was also dawns first vote of the game.
Nah, I can't picture dawn as a Mafia-member.

randoms vote in post 470 is not understandable to me.

PS: Should this bit from post 464 be considered a slip? "If I was town I wouldn't do that." Nah. I think randoms posts on this page (19) would be a bad mafia-play.