Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

[Kagami]

Also

We had come to a general consensus (myself and pie) of a gaiden/GIF/(Ice neighbor) scumteam overnight. I had mine presented first and he said that's what he was thinking too.

That my role name doesn't include "Miller" feels like a conscious setup decision to me; I think one of the rolecops has to be town.

[GuyInFreezer]

In any case, since pie left all that in QT that means he can't make excuses anymore on misreading me

[GuyInFreezer]

2) What made it stale?

also would like to see an answer to this unless you literally cannot talk about it in which case

Also I probably won't ever be able to talk about this in this game since I'll have to rep out at some point in a week the latest.

[Kagami]

Actually, why didn't you guys role-cop me? From your perspective, that would be the obvious optimal move...

[borkjerfkin]

ATTENTION

Today is now a 1v1 of Me and GIF.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Works for me.

VOTE: Notscience

If he flips town then I'm fine with vigging/lynching GiF.

The chance of NS scum at this point is pretty much nil. It's a meta read, but it's probably the most solid meta read I've ever had on anyone.

Varsoon - how sure are you that Vic is town? (this isn't a leading question, I just want an answer.)

[borkjerfkin]

Where is all the gaiden hate coming from this game? I'm not feeling it.

[zMuffinMan]

he's not a town read

do you think he's town? closest i've seen to you giving a read on him is recently stating he's doing something he does as town (by claiming that his spell cards were nuked and claiming his role name after asking why others were claiming role names)

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah, he's leaning town for me.

I
1) Don't think he's lying
2) Don't think he'd tell the thread his cards are gone as scum.

[borkjerfkin]

he's not a town read

Is he a scum read?

[zMuffinMan]

he's a gaiden read - the only time i've ever felt confident~ish about a read on gaiden is the first upick game, when he was actually active and open and (dare i say it) _looked town_

and i don't know why you think he'd keep it hidden as scum. he'd know a town player destroyed his cards and would be looking to see his reactions to it

[borkjerfkin]

and i don't know why you think he'd keep it hidden as scum. he'd know a town player destroyed his cards and would be looking to see his reactions to it

Yeah, maybe.

I dunno. At the end of the last Viscon I was really confident in Gaiden town (and I couldn't really put my finger on why then either, but it was there).

I'm not fully seeing it yet, but I'm seeing seeds of it.

[zMuffinMan]

the fact that i can find reasons to call most other players in the game town but i can't find anything that really makes me think gaiden is town is the biggest issue i have with him atm (i.e. essentially poe)

[Varsoon]

Varsoon - how sure are you that Vic is town? (this isn't a leading question, I just want an answer.)

90%. He's been genuine in our QT, shared role information that he wouldn't share if he was scum, and we have role synergy that wouldn't make much sense across the alignment divide.

I'm sticking with my vote on NS. I feel like the pie/NS case (reeks of pie in 1626) is pushing too hard on setup spec and presenting GiF as slippery. It's a big wall, but it feels conf-biased and too willing to hit unreliable notes that'll ring well with this town's meta with GiF and Notsci.

GiF, are you still able to vote for multiple players, or is your only vote locked on me at the moment?

[Varsoon]

Also, as far as I know, GiF's cards and abilities are more helpful to town if he's town than they are a detriment to town if he's scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote: Gaiden
Vote: Vic
Vote: Axxle
Vote: RB

[Varsoon]

Thanks for answering that question.

@GiF: Do you still suspect RB? If so, why?
What are your votes indicative of, if anything?

[Varsoon]

VoteCount?

[notscience]

Thanks, muffin. It was my card, btw. I wanted your opinion on it before I revealed that.

Also

We had come to a general consensus (myself and pie) of a gaiden/GIF/(Ice neighbor) scumteam overnight. I had mine presented first and he said that's what he was thinking too.

That my role name doesn't include "Miller" feels like a conscious setup decision to me; I think one of the rolecops has to be town.

Which, then?

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.4

GuyInFreezer [1] - notscience
notscience [3] - vezokpiraka, Varsoon, VictorDeAngelo
Varsoon [1] -

GuyInFreezer

SXTLHGaiden [1] - GuyInFreezer
VictorDeAngelo [1] -

GuyInFreezer

Axxle [1] - GuyInFreezer
Raging Bull [1] - GuyInFreezer

Not Voting [7]

- SXTLHGaiden Sakura Hana Axxle zMuffinMan Kagami borkjerfkin Raging Bull

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

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Deadline is May 8, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-05-08 13:00:00)

[SXTLHGaiden]

Ok, time to come clean.
I have a spellcard left. They just nuked the rest of them.

[notscience]

That last post gives me townfeels

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[zMuffinMan]

90%. He's been genuine in our QT, shared role information that he wouldn't share if he was scum, and we have role synergy that wouldn't make much sense across the alignment divide

did this happen pregame or N1? who initiated this?

I'm sticking with my vote on NS. I feel like the pie/NS case (reeks of pie in 1626) is pushing too hard on setup spec and presenting GiF as slippery. It's a big wall, but it feels conf-biased and too willing to hit unreliable notes that'll ring well with this town's meta with GiF and Notsci.

. . . . .

you think notscience is scummy because he's pushing/agrees with a case pieguy wrote?

That last post gives me townfeels

sarcasm?

[Varsoon]

90%. He's been genuine in our QT, shared role information that he wouldn't share if he was scum, and we have role synergy that wouldn't make much sense across the alignment divide

did this happen pregame or N1? who initiated this?

I'm sticking with my vote on NS. I feel like the pie/NS case (reeks of pie in 1626) is pushing

too hard on setup spec

and presenting GiF as slippery. It's a big wall, but it feels

conf-biased

and

too willing to hit unreliable notes that'll ring well with this town's meta with GiF and Notsci

.

. . . . .

you think notscience is scummy because he's pushing/agrees with a case pieguy wrote?

D1, I hard-read my neighbor as town despite Feirei not talking in our QT at all pregame.
N1, Victor and I had a pretty good back and forth about our reads, abilities, the game state, etc.
I initiated.

I think NS is scummy because of the bolded in the quote made. His push relies too much on setup spec, unreliable levels of PoE, meta-posturing, and presenting a dead-townie's case as something infallible. Like dead townies can't be wrong, or like his case is somehow more true/important now that he's a dead/confirmed townie. If it's down to a 1v1, then I'd rather go with NS over GiF.

[Varsoon]

That last post gives me townfeels

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Why?
The card wasn't claimed, and now that one card is revealed to have stayed, who knows what info is reliable?

[Varsoon]

Ok, time to come clean.
I have a spellcard left. They just nuked the rest of them.

Who is they?
What did your other spellcards do? Or does keeping them hidden help town out now that they're gone?
I don't think I can trust you. :s